Quoting restored so I can respond to multiple points at once.

Tim Bray, referring to stations where platforms are used on both sides
of one track at once, writes:

I think they would have to open the doors on the get off side
a couple of seconds before the get on side.

Another Tim then writes:

This is what happens in Munich.
There are anouncements on the train to alight from the
correct (by name) side.

Does "by name" mean they say left/right (links/rechts), or something else?

Incidentally, Toronto has one station with this type of platform usage:
Kennedy station http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/subway-5107-06.jpg
on the Scarborough RT (light railway) line. They just open the doors on
the arrival-platform side first, as Tim Bray says; there's no specific
announcement.

...if you do get off the wrong side you find yourself stuck on a
platform with only down escalators and no obvious way to get to
another level (there are some stairs but there are no signs to them)

Well, that could get awkward if there was an emergency and people
already on the departure platform suddenly had to evacuate. Of course
they could press the emergency stop buttons and use the escalators,
but would they think of it?

Arthur Figgis asks:
At risk of a certain degree of national stereotyping, are people in
Munich more likely to follow the instructions than people in London
would be?

The second Tim writes:
How many nationalities do you know that will happily stand by
the side of an empty road, because there's a little lit-up picture
of a man telling them to do so?

They sure didn't do that in Berlin the last time I was there. It was
the fact that it went against the national stereotype that called it
to my attention. Maybe this varies regionally and Munich is different.

Laurence Payne comments:
Don't the Americans demonise "jay-walking"?

In the US it does vary regionally. In California, people (and the police)
tend to feel that streets are for cars and pedestrians need to keep their
place. In New York, any attempt by the authorities to stop people from
crossing the street where and when they like is likely to be met with
complaints, and especially when the street to be crossed is only two
lanes wide, it's very common for pedestrians to cross against the light.
--
Mark Brader "Those who do not know USENET
Toronto are doomed to repeat each other."
-- Erik Fair (after George Santayana)

My text in this article is in the public domain.

In message , at 02:43:08 on Fri, 9
Sep 2005, Mark Brader remarked:
Don't the Americans demonise "jay-walking"?

In the US it does vary regionally. In California, people (and the police)
tend to feel that streets are for cars and pedestrians need to keep their
place.

I've seen "no pedestrians" signs (for normal roads) in a few places. I
forget where, but it may have been Austin, Texas. More specifically,
there are "No pedestrian" signs on the entrances to bus stations in
Atlanta, but that's a revenue protection measure because you have to pay
a flat fee to go through a turnstyle, and then you catch your bus. There
are "No pedestrian" signs on the access road into Nottingham Bus station
too, but that's clearly a road safety issue (and there's a path right
next to the road).
--
Roland Perry

"Mark Brader" wrote in message
...
Another Tim then writes:
snippty
This is what happens in Munich.
There are anouncements on the train to alight from the
correct (by name) side.

Does "by name" mean they say left/right (links/rechts), or something else?

..I was in Munich last weekend, as the S-Bahn from the airport was
approaching the Hauptbahnhof there was an announcement in German which was
followed by an announcement in English saying "Next stop Munich Central
Station, please exit the train on the right hand side." The alighting
platform was to the right looking in the direction of travel. I'm not sure
if they set up the alighting side door enable before the boarding side, I'll
check next time I'm there.
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

"Mark Brader" wrote in message
...
Quoting restored so I can respond to multiple points at once.

Tim Bray, referring to stations where platforms are used on both sides
of one track at once, writes:

I think they would have to open the doors on the get off side
a couple of seconds before the get on side.

Another Tim then writes:

This is what happens in Munich.
There are anouncements on the train to alight from the
correct (by name) side.

Does "by name" mean they say left/right (links/rechts), or something else?

Yes (as someone else has explained). (I realld did want to avoid
going around a loop discussing whether it was always the 'right'
side)

Incidentally, Toronto has one station with this type of platform usage:
Kennedy station http://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/subway-5107-06.jpg
on the Scarborough RT (light railway) line. They just open the doors on
the arrival-platform side first, as Tim Bray says; there's no specific
announcement.

...if you do get off the wrong side you find yourself stuck on a
platform with only down escalators and no obvious way to get to
another level (there are some stairs but there are no signs to them)

Well, that could get awkward if there was an emergency and people
already on the departure platform suddenly had to evacuate. Of course
they could press the emergency stop buttons and use the escalators,
but would they think of it?

I'm sure that they would.

Arthur Figgis asks:
At risk of a certain degree of national stereotyping, are people in
Munich more likely to follow the instructions than people in London
would be?

The second Tim writes:
How many nationalities do you know that will happily stand by
the side of an empty road, because there's a little lit-up picture
of a man telling them to do so?

They sure didn't do that in Berlin the last time I was there. It was
the fact that it went against the national stereotype that called it
to my attention. Maybe this varies regionally and Munich is different.

I was just using this as an example. Generally Germans are
sticklers for rules and follow them blindly, no matter how
inconvenient.

No doubt you'll find a few who don't obey everything, but as a
national group they are very compliant.

tim

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:20:48 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:


"Arthur Figgis" ] wrote in message
.. .

At risk of a certain degree of national stereotyping, are people in
Munich more likely to follow the instructions than people in London
would be?

You are joking?

How many nationalities do you know that will happily stand by
the side of an empty road, because there's a little lit-up picture
of a man telling them to do so?

On a trip to Copenhagen it was hard to tell if the Danes were more
surpised that we _would_ cross an empty road against a red man, or we
were more surprised that they wouldn't.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 02:43:08 on Fri, 9
Sep 2005, Mark Brader remarked:

Don't the Americans demonise "jay-walking"?


In the US it does vary regionally. In California, people (and the
police)
tend to feel that streets are for cars and pedestrians need to keep their
place.


I've seen "no pedestrians" signs (for normal roads) in a few places. I
forget where, but it may have been Austin, Texas.

They exist in Austin, but the intent doesn't so much seem to be "no
pedestrians" as "you can't cross this road on this side of the
junction," thus forcing people to go the long way around. However, there
are places I can recall seeing at least two such signs facing the same
corner, leaving you with no way to legally cross there whatsoever.

Tim Bray wrote:
tim (moved to sweden) wrote:

And then open the doors on both sides?

I think they would have to open the doors on the get off side a couple
of seconds before the get on side. That way people will manage to get
off the correct side.

Tim

Are they planning to have platform edge doors? Separate 'on' and 'off'
platforms is a good idea, but platforms on both sides of the track
would mean having a conductor rail below the platform edge; would that
be allowed these days without PEDs? Come to that, would any new or
rebuilt platform be allowed without them now that the JLE has set the
precident?