On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:38:02 +0100, Paul
wrote:

I have a sneaking suspicion that TFLs long term aim is to get rid of
travelcards altogether and move everyone on to pre-pay oysters (with the
daily cap thing still applying).

Why sneaking? That's what we WANT! If the NR companies could just
co-operate.

In message , at 12:52:53 on
Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Laurence Payne
remarked:
My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

Why? How much of their Council Tax goes to TFL? How much of yours?
You offer no evidence on how much "general taxation" either of you
pay, and where it goes.

These days Council Tax is a general tax because the rate is set (within
very narrow limits) by the Government.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
(Laurence Payne) wrote:

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:13:28 GMT, Chris Tolley
wrote:

Incidentally, I don't find the idea of ripping off tourists and
non-Londoners (which has been mentioned as a target) remotely
acceptable.

Tourists from abroad get offered all sorts of attractive travelcard
options that we never hear about.

If they find out about them.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:03:51 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

Why? How much of their Council Tax goes to TFL? How much of yours?
You offer no evidence on how much "general taxation" either of you
pay, and where it goes.

These days Council Tax is a general tax because the rate is set (within
very narrow limits) by the Government.
--

But we knew what he meant, didn't we? :-)

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:31:20 +0100, John Ray
wrote:

I don't think that a cash fare of GBP3 is intended to be seen as
reasonable. It is set at that level to encourage people to use
alternative methods of payment.

How would YOU encourage people onto Oyster?

Ken is (once again) actually DOING something that makes more than a
miniscule real difference. I love it :-)

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article ,
(TKD) wrote:

People not from London can stop complaining too. Londoners deserve
cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs of the Underground
through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to no longer subsidise
tourists and visitors who, for whatever reason, do not adopt Oyster.

My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through my
general taxes than they do.

That's because Wandsworth has the lowest CT in the country (or did last
year when I lived there). Try looking nextdoor at Richmond (where I
live now) - it's twice the price!

In message , TKD
writes

And finally the people in London but on National Rail routes who claim
to be excluded.

They claim no such thing. They claim that Oyster is of no used for
occasional travel to London, since pre-pay is not accepted on most of
the national rail network.

What rubbish - are you telling me you never use the bus?
Get an Oyster card and you can start saving when you do.

In addition to a bus to the station, many people complete their journey
from the mainline terminus to the office by tube or bus. A one-day
travelcard covers all six stages of the return trip and is considerably
cheaper than using Oyster for the TfL bits plus a day-return for the
National Rail element.

As has been said here repeatedly, using Oyster is not a sensible option
for those who use National Rail and who don't have to commute daily.

--
Paul Terry

Incidentally, I don't find the idea of ripping off tourists and
non-Londoners (which has been mentioned as a target) remotely
acceptable.

Tourists from abroad get offered all sorts of attractive travelcard
options that we never hear about.

Does this still happen? The Visitor Travelcard has gone now but it seemed a
very flexible and cheap deal. However tourists arriving at Heathrow without
one, or needing to top and tail it with other tickets, still seemed to be
able to get tickets for any period they liked at prices that bore no
relation to anything available to the rest of us.

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

In message , at 12:52:53 on
Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Laurence Payne
remarked:
My parents in Putney in a much larger home pay a lot less council Tax
than I do in Cambridge. So I reckon I pay more to support TfL through
my general taxes than they do.

Why? How much of their Council Tax goes to TFL? How much of yours?
You offer no evidence on how much "general taxation" either of you
pay, and where it goes.

These days Council Tax is a general tax because the rate is set (within

very narrow limits) by the Government.

and much more of local government funding comes from general taxes (i.e.
anything except Council Tax). That was my point.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile. So
perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind spot
when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere than
work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.
--
Terry Harper
Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society
http://www.omnibussoc.org