Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:18:50
on Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Paul remarked:
The Dutch Strippenkaart system makes Oyster seem easy!

Never could work them out. 1 strip or 2? How long does it last for,
where's the cheapest place to buy them etc.

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile. So
perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind spot when
it comes to knowing where to buy them.

If I remember rightly, you validate one coupon for each zone you pass
through, plus an additional coupon per journey - so yes, two coupons
for a journey in one zone. If you travel through two zones then
validate three coupons, three zones four coupons and so on.

The great advantage with the Dutch system is that it applies nationally
- so you can buy a long string of coupons and use them in whatever city
you happen to be in.

wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 10:18:50
on Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Paul remarked:

The Dutch Strippenkaart system makes Oyster seem easy!

Never could work them out. 1 strip or 2? How long does it last for,
where's the cheapest place to buy them etc.

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile. So
perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind spot when
it comes to knowing where to buy them.

If I remember rightly, you validate one coupon for each zone you pass
through, plus an additional coupon per journey - so yes, two coupons
for a journey in one zone. If you travel through two zones then
validate three coupons, three zones four coupons and so on.

Yes, that sounds familiar. The problem I had is that you need local
knowledge about zones etc.

Once you stamped a card it was valid for a couple of hours IIRC. So you
could use it on other trams.

--
Paul

In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile.
So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind
spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide not
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , Paul
writes
The problem I had is that you need local knowledge about zones etc.
Something Londoners don't seem to understand about the rest of the
country, thinking that England stops at Watford.
--
Clive

Something Londoners don't seem to understand about the rest of the country, thinking that England
stops at Watford.
--
Clive

Its economy does

"James Farrar" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:43:40 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:



So you're already choosing to pay more.

No you are not. Anyone with any sense does not buy a monthly
pass to cover their 2 week xmas and summer break

Assuming you take your holiday as such. In my experience most people
take their holiday entitlement in more than two blocks.

You know a weird set of 'most' people.

IME most people have 2 weeks off at Xmas because their
employer gives them no choice.

And most people take 2 (or more) weeks holiday in the
summer/easter when the kids are off school.

I guess if you work in retail (or hospitality) it's different, but
I would be suprised if almost every one else didn't fit the above.

I just looked at uswitch.com and it gave me a whole list of 12-month
loans that the monthly payment is less than a monthly Travelcard
(using the example of a Z1-5 as quoted).

but is it less than 11?

Many are.

but not by much I suspect

tim

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Terry Harper) wrote:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:51 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Roland Perry) wrote:

I was advised I needed two for a tram journey of about half a mile.
So perhaps that's the minimum. I walked. Like you, I have a blind
spot when it comes to knowing where to buy them.

We had that problem in Warsaw. It seemed easier to walk everywhere
than work out how to buy bus and tram tickets.

Little kiosks called RUCH sell them.

Them being sufficiently imprecise to non-Polish speakers to decide not
to bother. Or the kiosks weren't open. One or the other.

They are all over the place.

They are bright green.

They are open (almost) all hours.

tim

"John Ray" wrote in message
...
Neil Williams wrote:

[1] I fail to see how anyone can consider, in itself, gbp3 as a
reasonable fare for a short-distance Tube single.

I don't think that a cash fare of GBP3 is intended to be seen as
reasonable. It is set at that level to encourage people to use
alternative methods of payment.

Except that it's presumably going to be the fare on which
the NR Cross London transfer and outside London ODTC
increment is going to based. As these people don't have the
option of Oyster why should they be ripped-off?

tim

I don't think that a cash fare of GBP3 is intended to be seen as
reasonable. It is set at that level to encourage people to use
alternative methods of payment.

Except that it's presumably going to be the fare on which
the NR Cross London transfer and outside London ODTC
increment is going to based. As these people don't have the
option of Oyster why should they be ripped-off?

An outside London ODTC is based on the travelcard price
plus whatever the rail company charges to the boundary
of Zone 6. The ODTC1-6 has gone up by 30p. The Zone 1
tube single doesn't even come in to the equation.

"TKD" wrote in message
. ..
I don't think that a cash fare of GBP3 is intended to be seen as
reasonable. It is set at that level to encourage people to use
alternative methods of payment.

Except that it's presumably going to be the fare on which
the NR Cross London transfer and outside London ODTC
increment is going to based. As these people don't have the
option of Oyster why should they be ripped-off?

An outside London ODTC is based on the travelcard price
plus whatever the rail company charges to the boundary
of Zone 6. The ODTC1-6 has gone up by 30p. The Zone 1
tube single doesn't even come in to the equation.

Has this changed? It used to be, the cost of a DR to
London (BR) plus a fixed amount, which just happened
to be slightly less than two single tube rides.
(IIRC 2 quid against 1.10, perhaps someone can
remember how long ago this was?)

tim