In article ,
(Chris Hills) wrote:

asdf wrote:
But the fare increases won't affect journeys from those stations.

While it's a fair point that the train companies ought to start
accepting pre-pay, Mr Pope has ended up looking a bit clueless IMO.

In addition, I believe you cannot use a railcard (eg YP) on Oyster
travel cards.

I wish I could use a YP railcard! What about a Network Card?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Richard Adamfi wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:

I understand the purpose of the exercise is to encourage Oyster use,
but IMO this is not the way to do it.

So what is the way to do it?

How about installing Oyster readers in all London train stations?
*Then* TFL can start shoving oysters down people's necks.

If you use a travelcard on national rail stick to a paper ticket. With
Oyster you pay *more* money. What a con.

--
Paul

On 4 Oct 2005 14:57:10 -0700, "Paul" wrote:

How about installing Oyster readers in all London train stations?
*Then* TFL can start shoving oysters down people's necks.

They're there. They work on period tickets. But the train companies
don't seem to want to wire them up to the pre-pay system.

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:24 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Absolutely! No Oyster in Cambridge or Putney.

But the fare increases won't affect journeys from those stations.

They will for overnight stays. These include tube travel in central
London to work when I have to buy tube singles, currently £2 (Zone 1) or
£2.20 (Zones 1 & 2).

In which case you can pay less (and the fares will actually *decrease*
from 2006) if you use Oyster pre-pay for those singles.

On 4 Oct 2005 14:57:10 -0700, "Paul" wrote:

How about installing Oyster readers in all London train stations?
*Then* TFL can start shoving oysters down people's necks.

They already are installed at every station in London that has
barriers (except Romford). At stations without barriers, they would
serve no purpose anyway (you don't need to touch in/out if you have a
Travelcard season).

If you use a travelcard on national rail stick to a paper ticket. With
Oyster you pay *more* money. What a con.

If you buy your Travelcard on Oyster from South West Trains (not sure
about other TOCs) they give you the same discount for poor performance
that you'd get with their paper version.

In article ,
Laurence Payne wrote:
For casual use, Oyster pre-pay isn't for you. Until national rail
stop resisting the pre-pay system. It does seem unfair that your
one-day card will cost a little more on paper than on Oyster.

ODTs can be bought at "Ticket Stops" (ie, newsagents) on Oyster these
days... can't they?

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

In article .com,
(Richard Adamfi) wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

Cheaper fares on Oyster, not artificially and ridiculously
over-expensive ones on paper.

Of course, that would be better but we have already tried that strategy
this year. It would appear that many people are still paying the 2
pound cash single compared to the 1.70 Oyster fare. It is clear that a
bigger differential is needed to encourage Oyster use.

Why should I be expected to get an Oyster for just 7 single tube fares
so far this year?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
Laurence Payne wrote:
For casual use, Oyster pre-pay isn't for you. Until national rail
stop resisting the pre-pay system. It does seem unfair that your
one-day card will cost a little more on paper than on Oyster.

ODTs can be bought at "Ticket Stops" (ie, newsagents) on Oyster
these days... can't they?

You can't get an ODT on Oyster. But you can get Oyster Pre-Pay which is
capped at the ODT rate or less (for journeys on TfL services). However
you have to pay a £3 deposit to get an Oyster card. If they really want
to encourage Oyster use, they should waive the deposit, or waive it if
at least, say, £10 is loaded on to an Oyster Pre-Pay.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:24 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Absolutely! No Oyster in Cambridge or Putney.

But the fare increases won't affect journeys from those stations.

They will for overnight stays. These include tube travel in central
London to work when I have to buy tube singles, currently £2 (Zone 1)
or £2.20 (Zones 1 & 2).

In which case you can pay less (and the fares will actually *decrease*
from 2006) if you use Oyster pre-pay for those singles.

So I have to get an Oyster for what is in fact just two tickets so far
this year.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...

So I have to get an Oyster for what is in
fact just two tickets so far this year.

And make sure you have it on you whenever you might need it... which in
practice means all the time... and sooner or later, you'll end up
permanently carrying a different smart card for each city where you might
want to ride a bus, and have a 3 pound deposit on all of them. Maybe you
should go everywhere by car, at least that way you could carry all the
public transport smartcards in the glovebox.

I don't have an Oyster. For the small amount that I use public transport
these days, it wouldn't make that much sense. I haven't yet run out of the
bus savers I bought before the fares went through the roof in January. But
TfL are so determined to fine those of us who persist in thinking of our own
convenience instead of theirs. Maybe they should abolish 75% of the bus
stops while they are at it, since their convenience is so much more
important than ours.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
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