On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Then, once that's all been done, abolish paper ticketing completely.

Are you saying the whole national transport system, buses, trains and
trams, should switch to Oyster then?

If you want to play that game, why not the whole world?

No, he didn't say that. Context.

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

What about the Londoners who can't get the benefits because their rail
services are provide by NR yet they still pay the council tax?

You tell me. I can't see that they're affected by anything that has been
mentioned in this thread. You may know better.
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:02:56 +0100, James Farrar
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:39:31 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 18:27:58 on Sat, 8 Oct
2005, "tim (moved to sweden)" remarked:
And as I have posted before,
IME it is common for non first language English speakers not to
be able to tell the difference between the various English language
countries' accents (strange as it may seem to you and I).

It's worse than that. Many Americans can't tell the difference (in
accent) between English and Australian.

And many English people can't tell the difference between American and
Canadian.

Eh?
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:12:09 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:09:05 +0100, Arthur Figgis
] wrote:

The Dutch Strippenkaart is in the process of being replaced by a
national all-modes smart card, but I believe it is delayed because of
various problems with it. Denmark has just awarded the same people a
contract for a national smart card.

I wonder if the new scheme will include NS trains, as the
Strippenkaart doesn't, for some reason I completely fail to understand
in the land of "integrated" passenger transport ticketing.

I think so. It is/was being tested on the Hook of Holland - Rotterdam
NS line.
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:42:26 +0100, "TKD" wrote:

The signs above prepay validators in various locations with "Prepay
users must touch here" are totally baffling to everyone.

"Totally"? "Everyone"?

Not even TfL or NR seem to know how the validators on the Thameslink
platforms at London Bridge, Kings Cross TL etc. are supposed to be used
without getting an unresolved journey so "totally" and "everyone" is pretty fair.

Also when changing from DLR to Tube or National Rail, it is not clear to many
people that you have to touch the DLR validator and then touch in to the
tube/NR even though its not the end/start of your journey. Getting it wrong
will mean getting charged twice or possibly £5 if you were unlucky enough to
start or end at a terminus.

This could all be cured by more detailed instructions above the validators. The
current "Prepay users must touch here" is not good enough - and doesn't take
in to account prepay extensions. Season ticket holders who have only ever used
seasons are unlikely to see themselves as "prepay users".

"TKD" wrote in message
...
Also the passengers charter says that rail users are entitled to a
discount if punctuality falls below a certain level. This discount does
not apply to oyster period travel cards. You know where you can stick
yer oyser Ken!

Not true. Where season tickets are available on Oyster from National Rail
stations (e.g. c2c/SWT etc.) they are sold on the same basis and with the
same benefits.

So if you were to buy a ticket from Wimbledon on your Oyster card you would
receive a National Rail discount if due as well?

Would this apply to travelcards (say Zone 1-3) as well as season tickets
(Wimbledon to Waterloo) and do they have to be any minimum legth
(weekly/monthly etc)

Are these National Rail % discounts listed anywhere?

Regards
Sunil

"Paul" Paul @whydoyoucare.co.uk wrote in message
...
Tube and bus fares in London paid for with cash are set to increase
next year, the Mayor has announced.
A single Tube journey in zone one will cost £3 instead of £2 while a
single bus journey will rise from £1.20 to £1.50, said Mayor Ken
Livingstone.

However fares will fall for holders of the Oyster pre-pay smartcards.

With Oyster, a zone one Tube ride will be cut from £1.70 to £1.50 -
half the cash fare. Mr Livingstone said the aim was for fewer people to
pay with cash.

Does anyone have any news on what is happening to weekly/monthly travelcard
prices?

Am just wondering if they will be going down to reflect the reductions in
Oyster pre-pay or not..

Regards
Sunil

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:13 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

This is a totally absurd argument. I can look in my wallet to see
whether I've any cash left before going to an ATM. I can't look at an
Oyster before getting on a bus to see if I need to go somewhere else to
recharge it.

And the technology is available for minimal cost to provide pocket
keyring readers. So why not do it, and sell them at cost price? It
would cost TfL nothing, and would be a benefit to users.

Anyone who really wants to get smartcard reading technology can get it
quite easily and legitimately on the open market. Oystercard is by no
means proprietary in that regard, and I don't see the argument that
others have put forward that it would be a security risk.

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

In article ,
(Laurence Payne) wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Then, once that's all been done, abolish paper ticketing completely.

Are you saying the whole national transport system, buses, trains and
trams, should switch to Oyster then?

If you want to play that game, why not the whole world?

No, he didn't say that. Context.

Well, I use the tube in London and generally don't have an Oyster option
because the only ticket I can buy at Cambridge is a cardboard one.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

So if you were to buy a ticket from Wimbledon on your Oyster card you would receive a National
Rail discount if due as well?

Would this apply to travelcards (say Zone 1-3) as well as season tickets (Wimbledon to Waterloo)
and do they have to be any minimum legth (weekly/monthly etc)

Are these National Rail % discounts listed anywhere?

You can't buy Wimbledon to Waterloo season tickets on Oyster only zonal ones.

The £1,000 annual Wimbledon to Z123 comes with a 5% discount if you renew
at Wimbledon. Here you can see how much you can get off the price:

http://www.trainsfares.co.uk/season/...p?sitecode=SWT

It only tells you the discount right before entering payment details - not when it
initially lists the ticket prices.