On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:57:58 +0100, "Sunil Sood"
wrote:

So if you were to buy a ticket from Wimbledon on your Oyster card you would
receive a National Rail discount if due as well?

You would receive the same discount, if any, as holders of SWT paper
Travelcard seasons.

Would this apply to travelcards (say Zone 1-3)

Yes

as well as season tickets (Wimbledon to Waterloo)

These tickets are not available on Oyster.

and do they have to be any minimum length (weekly/monthly etc)

The minimum is 1 month.

Are these National Rail % discounts listed anywhere?

Err, pass. The individual TOC websites should have them though.

Does anyone have any news on what is happening to weekly/monthly travelcard
prices?

Am just wondering if they will be going down to reflect the reductions in Oyster pre-pay or not..

http://www.london.gov.uk/news/docs/fares_2006.pdf

This pdf lists the new weekly prices - I think you can calculate the monthly and annual
from them but I'm not sure. Someone else may know?

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:13 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

This is a totally absurd argument. I can look in my wallet to see
whether I've any cash left before going to an ATM. I can't look at
an Oyster before getting on a bus to see if I need to go somewhere
else to recharge it.

And the technology is available for minimal cost to provide pocket
keyring readers. So why not do it, and sell them at cost price? It
would cost TfL nothing, and would be a benefit to users.

Anyone who really wants to get smartcard reading technology can get it
quite easily and legitimately on the open market. Oystercard is by no
means proprietary in that regard, and I don't see the argument that
others have put forward that it would be a security risk.

I seem to be expected to shell out £3 to avoid paying for two tube
singles (this year so far) and now you want people like me to pay for a
reader too?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:36:47 +0100, Laurence Payne
wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:07 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Then, once that's all been done, abolish paper ticketing completely.

Are you saying the whole national transport system, buses, trains and
trams, should switch to Oyster then?

If you want to play that game, why not the whole world?

The Dutch and the Danes are adopting a national card, and they are
both using the same contractors, so one day international
compatability might be feasible.

ISTR reading that there is a problem of sorts in Britain because
Oyster doesn't meet the national ITSO smartcard interoperability
standards, which hadn't been finalised when Oyster was specified. Even
if the money to equip National Rail stations for smart cards is found,
TOCs (etc) have to decided whether to adopt an Oyster-style card, or
an ITSO one of the sort which will probably be used throughout the
rest of the country.

I don't know if Oyster could be made ITSO compliant. OOI, is Oyster
proprietary technology, or can anyone supply it?
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message , Chris Tolley
writes

Paul Terry wrote:

As has been said here repeatedly, using Oyster is not a sensible option
for those who use National Rail and who don't have to commute daily.

Repeating it does not make it any truer.

Nor does it make it any the less true. Your point is ... ?

--
Paul Terry

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:29 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

I seem to be expected to shell out £3 to avoid paying for two tube
singles (this year so far) and now you want people like me to pay for a
reader too?

I just can't win in this thread, can I?

I was advocating these things being offered at cost to those who want
them. The other option is to give them to everyone and increase the
deposit or fares to pay for them.

It had nothing to do with the reasonableness or (IMO) otherwise of
charging gbp3 for a single fare.

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

"TKD" wrote in message
...

The £1,000 annual Wimbledon to Z123 comes with a 5% discount if you renew
at Wimbledon. Here you can see how much you can get off the price:

http://www.trainsfares.co.uk/season/...p?sitecode=SWT

It only tells you the discount right before entering payment details - not
when it
initially lists the ticket prices.

And if you believe

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWT...+DISCOUNTS.htm

the discount should end this month!

Paul

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:28 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:09:09 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:57:59 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Rundle"
wrote:

Yes, stamps inscribed 1st and 2nd were introduced in 1990. So, it dep
ends on your definition of "recent" I guess.

They weren't universal, I think. I have had stamps (1st/2nd) marked
with the price much more recently than that, as I recall.

The ones marked 1st or 2nd are the ones sold in books (6 or 12) and in
vending machines.

The come in larger packs than that. 100s, for example.

True, but then people of more likely to be aware of the examples I
gave.
--
Nick Cooper

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On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:15:56 +0100, "TKD" wrote:

http://www.london.gov.uk/news/docs/fares_2006.pdf

This pdf lists the new weekly prices - I think you can calculate the monthly and annual
from them but I'm not sure. Someone else may know?

The monthly is 3.84 times the weekly. The annual is 40 times the
weekly.

That PDF is a nice find. Strangely, there seem to be some
contradictions between the TfL press release[1] and the PDF.

The press release says: "A single journey in Zones 2-6 will cost £1 on
Oyster if you pay as you go, compared to £3 if you use cash". I was
quite excited by this. But according to the tables, it will still cost
£1.80 unless your journey only covers 1 or 2 zones.

It also says "All daily price caps for bus, Tube, DLR and tram travel
are reduced or frozen", but according to the PDF, the Z1-6 cap will be
increasing from £5.70 to £5.80.

[1]
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=534

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:34:17 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:


"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:15:53 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
wrote:


However, hardly anyone I know gets that.
FWIW It's bloody annoying and I hate having to waste
my holiday days in this way, so I don't see it as getting
a benefit.

It is my contention that more people work in my world than
in yours.

Clearly your world doesn't include the public, retail or service
sectors. Add to that a sizable chunk of other industries, and you'd
be hard-pressed to claim a majority.

I have worked in reatil, and ever there people booked their
two week summer holiday as the norm.

Try to keep track. This is the bit of the thread disputing your "two
weeks over Christmas" claim.

No-one is sensibly going to buy a monthly season on the 4th
of December as they will not be using it from 25th to the 1st

You mean "... _if_ they will not be using it from 25th to the 1st."

Well obviously. If you're nitpicking about this what else
have you nitpicked about?

It's not nitpicking to point out a huge and fundamental flaw in your
"argument."

It was not a flaw in my arguement, just something so blindingly
obviously a part of the arguement that I didn't bother to type it
in at the end.

Yeah. Right.

12 million package holidays per year are sold so almost 25% of the
population go away on an *organised* holiday each yer

None of which backs up your orginal proposition, i.e. that "most
people take 2 weeks holiday in the summer/easter when the kids are off
school."

I have conceded the point about off school holidays,

a two week summer holiday is anywhere betweem May and
September

In fact, it does the opposite. More 40% of the UK adult
population does not take a holiday of four days or more at all.

Where did you find this fact? I have never worked at a place
where anybody never took full weeks off.

The Office of National Statistics:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBAS....asp?vlnk=3713

"A key way of spending leisure time is to have a break from everyday
life and take a holiday, whether it be within the United Kingdom or
abroad. Although the proportion of British residents who did not take
a holiday of four days or more has remained relatively unchanged over
the past three decades (41 per cent in 1998), the proportion taking
two or more holidays has increased from 15 per cent in 1971 to 25 per
cent in 1998."

In
that context you'd be hard-pressed to claim that the remaining 60%
all take two-week holidays.

Obviously,


Purely subjective. My subjective view is that the vast majority of
people I know take one or two separate weeks off,

Isn't this what I have been saying?

No, you claimed the majority of people are taking two-week holidays.
Not my use of the word "separate."

Obviously that should have said "Note my use..."

No, I said the they were taking 2 weeks of holiday when they
did not need to buy a pass.

You've shifted the goalposts so many times, I'm not sure that you
actually know what you've said, but I'll remind you:

IME most people have 2 weeks off at Xmas because their
employer gives them no choice.

And most people take 2 (or more) weeks holiday in the
summer/easter when the kids are off school.

[Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:02:39 +0200]

Your starting point was claiming that "most people" take two-week
holidays at the times you claimed, which is clearly not the case for
the majority of the population.
--
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