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In message , James Farrar
writes If you're not bothered to pay a deposit you'll get back in as few as two journeys, you deserve to pay through the nose. I don't understand the problem. I live 350 miles from London yet my five or six trips a year there make oyster a good proposition, no queuing, lower fares and capping. Then again I don't mind that someone in TfL takes an interest in my London based movements to improve services, it can only benefit me. I've nothing to hide either, my card is registered to me at my home address, so if I am robbed of it or lose it whilst in London I can get a refund. So I am happy to keep up to £90 on it in pre-pay, then I'm never caught out. -- Clive |
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The £3 deposit can be recouped from two journeys from next year
so its hardly a moot point. Cash - 2 x Zone 2 (£3) singles = £6 Oyster - 2 x Zone 2 (£1) prepay = £2 (+ £3 deposit) = £5 Not only recouped but a pound saved. A very basic fact the anti-Oyster brigade seem incapable of understanding! The *minimum* cash fare of £3 will get the message home. I don't think people quite understand the implication of it just yet. From January just going one stop, even in zone 6, and paying cash is going to cost £3 (instead of £1 on Oyster). This is a mark-up of 200%. If this is prominently advertised at the ticket machines and explained properly by staff surely only the insane would resist migration to Oyster? it's called ripping off outsiders. I don't follow. Who is "outside" the group of people that are permitted to hold Oyster Cards? As I understand it anyone can have a card. Anyone not buying tickets often enough to bother to pay the £3 deposit, Ahh. So those "outsiders" are people who are only likely to make only one tube journey in their entire lifetime? learn how to use the card and remember how much credit is on the card when they come to use it again 6 months later, for starters. Or maybe just overcome fear of change. I.e. many people living outside London who can't get through tickets including the tube. I don't see what that has to do with a short single journey inside the zonal area and only on the tube. Or people arriving at airports who can't buy through tickets to NSE destinations. I can buy a ticket from Cambridge to Heathrow but not from Heathrow to Cambridge. Again - How are people arriving at airports excluded from using an Oyster Card should they wish to use the tube to go one stop? |
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Raoul wrote:
Phil Richards wrote: So if TfL want to make their Oyster product sound like mobile phones, perhaps they should consider another option whereby you get billed and pay by direct debit (or credit card) at the end of each month according to your usage. Vastly increases the possibility of fraud and non-payment. Amazing how telecom companies and the utilities etc. all manage to handle regular monthly payments in arrears. As for non payment, easy, as with mobile phones you don't pay you get cut off. In the case of Oyster your card becomes deactivated the same way as if you reported it lost or stolen. -- Phil Richards London, UK Home Page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:02 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (TKD) wrote: I don't follow. Who is "outside" the group of people that are permitted to hold Oyster Cards? As I understand it anyone can have a card. Anyone not buying tickets often enough to bother to pay the £3 deposit, learn how to use the card and remember how much credit is on the card when they come to use it again 6 months later, for starters. I.e. many people living outside London who can't get through tickets including the tube. I'm sure you will declare me a nutter but I have a HK Octopus card. I've paid my deposit years ago and dipped into it many times - Octopus allows negative value for one trip. It takes approximately 2 minutes to go to the desk, get its status checked and reset if necessary [1] and value added at HK International Airport. I have encountered no problems whatsoever with doing this. Similarly I retain a RATP Mobilis card to allow me to purchase one day tickets when I go to Paris. Or people arriving at airports who can't buy through tickets to NSE destinations. I can buy a ticket from Cambridge to Heathrow but not from Heathrow to Cambridge. I'll confess to being somewhat out of date but I thought that the new TOMs at LUL stations had a much enhanced range of NSE destinations. I would have thought Cambridge would be one such option. I also thought National Rail had a ticket counter somewhere within Heathrow to deal with the passengers who use the Rail Air link services and could therefore sell through tickets. I have to say that I really don't understand what form of ticketing system you want. You repeatedly moan like hell about what exists today saying that little or none of it works for you. Would you like an Oyster card that would work in, to and from Cambridge or do you want Oyster thrown in the bin and paper tickets retained? [1] the card tracking system will lock you out of the system if there is a very long gap in usage which there can be in my case as I typically only go to HK once a year. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:12 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (TKD) wrote: The £3 deposit can be recouped from two journeys from next year so its hardly a moot point. Cash - 2 x Zone 2 (£3) singles = £6 Oyster - 2 x Zone 2 (£1) prepay = £2 (+ £3 deposit) = £5 Not only recouped but a pound saved. A very basic fact the anti-Oyster brigade seem incapable of understanding! The *minimum* cash fare of £3 will get the message home. I don't think people quite understand the implication of it just yet. From January just going one stop, even in zone 6, and paying cash is going to cost £3 (instead of £1 on Oyster). This is a mark-up of 200%. If this is prominently advertised at the ticket machines and explained properly by staff surely only the insane would resist migration to Oyster? it's called ripping off outsiders. I suppose my mother, who lives in Newcastle. would count as an "outsider," except that she has - and happily uses - an Oyster card, of course. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV: http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/ |
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(James Farrar) wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (James Farrar) wrote: Or bother to look at the screens on the gates. Your lack of understanding is getting tiresome. Your anti-Oyster moaning got tiresome a longtime ago. Your refusal to understand the position of people who can't use Oyster like you is what is really tiresome. People living outside the zones can't do what you do. Your circumstances are different from those of the sort of users I'm thinking of. My circumstances are (like many) that I have an Annual Travelcard loaded onto my Oystercard, but that (unlike you) I've not got an irrational hatred for Oyster. You're not listening again. People living in Network South East rarely need Oyster or cash fares because Oyster isn't supported for most ticketing requirements because of Travelcards. Therefore they will need singles only in exceptional circumstances. Rarely != never. But twice a year is close. This year that has required me to buy just two singles. Next year I wouldn't recoup the £3 deposit on in those journeys. You don't have to pay the £3 again next year! I wouldn't go through gates with Oyster anything like often enough to know *before* attempting a journey whether it has enough credit on it maybe six months after I last used it. Provided the credit is above the minimum fare, that doesn't matter until you get to the end. And then there's Auto top-up. And as a last resort, you can always write your current balance (or just a note saying "need to add credit" when appropriate) on a piece of paper and keep it with your card at the end of your journey. You refuse to try to understand other people's real experiences. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Your refusal to understand the position of people who can't use Oyster like you is what is really tiresome. People living outside the zones can't do what you do. Can they not reach the pads? Have people outside London not yet learned how to walk on their hind legs? I don't think so. On what basis would London Underground and Transport for London have devised a system and rolled out to the whole of the UK? Under what remit? They can't even get the rail network in London to accept Oyster fully so what hope would they have (and what possible motive) to roll it out beyond London's border? If you desite using Oyster for all of your journies so much I suggest you move to its catchment area or stop winging about living beyond it. |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:02 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (TKD) wrote: I don't follow. Who is "outside" the group of people that are permitted to hold Oyster Cards? As I understand it anyone can have a card. Anyone not buying tickets often enough to bother to pay the £3 deposit, learn how to use the card and remember how much credit is on the card when they come to use it again 6 months later, for starters. I.e. many people living outside London who can't get through tickets including the tube. I'm sure you will declare me a nutter but I have a HK Octopus card. I've paid my deposit years ago and dipped into it many times - Octopus allows negative value for one trip. It takes approximately 2 minutes to go to the desk, get its status checked and reset if necessary [1] and value added at HK International Airport. I have encountered no problems whatsoever with doing this. Similarly I retain a RATP Mobilis card to allow me to purchase one day tickets when I go to Paris. Presumably there are better facilities at those airports than at Heathrow then? As for Gatwick or Stansted... Or people arriving at airports who can't buy through tickets to NSE destinations. I can buy a ticket from Cambridge to Heathrow but not from Heathrow to Cambridge. I'll confess to being somewhat out of date but I thought that the new TOMs at LUL stations had a much enhanced range of NSE destinations. I would have thought Cambridge would be one such option. I also thought National Rail had a ticket counter somewhere within Heathrow to deal with the passengers who use the Rail Air link services and could therefore sell through tickets. I last tried this in 2002 so you may be right that things are better now. There was supposed to be a facility to buy National Rail tickets in the airport then but it was in terminal 3 when I'd arrived elsewhere and it was a single APTIS machine that had been away for repairs for three weeks at that point. In any case I was told there was no fare to Cambridge, except via SWT and the bus to Feltham(?). I have to say that I really don't understand what form of ticketing system you want. You repeatedly moan like hell about what exists today saying that little or none of it works for you. Would you like an Oyster card that would work in, to and from Cambridge or do you want Oyster thrown in the bin and paper tickets retained? [1] the card tracking system will lock you out of the system if there is a very long gap in usage which there can be in my case as I typically only go to HK once a year. I just don't want rip-off rates for cash tickets. The present differential is perfectly acceptable. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(Nick Cooper) wrote: On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:12 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (TKD) wrote: The £3 deposit can be recouped from two journeys from next year so its hardly a moot point. Cash - 2 x Zone 2 (£3) singles = £6 Oyster - 2 x Zone 2 (£1) prepay = £2 (+ £3 deposit) = £5 Not only recouped but a pound saved. A very basic fact the anti-Oyster brigade seem incapable of understanding! The *minimum* cash fare of £3 will get the message home. I don't think people quite understand the implication of it just yet. From January just going one stop, even in zone 6, and paying cash is going to cost £3 (instead of £1 on Oyster). This is a mark-up of 200%. If this is prominently advertised at the ticket machines and explained properly by staff surely only the insane would resist migration to Oyster? it's called ripping off outsiders. I suppose my mother, who lives in Newcastle. would count as an "outsider," except that she has - and happily uses - an Oyster card, of course. She being outside NSE can't buy tube-inclusive tickets anyway. Anyone in NSE can do so but not for quite all journeys. Hence a very limited and possibly pretty infrequent need for Oyster. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Richard J. wrote: But I still feel that PAYG is a daft term for Oyster, since TfL want it to be a replacement for cash fares which really are PAYG and don't have a £3 initial charge. Depends how much you value your time. Anyone more senior than a kitchen cleaner will spend £3 of their time a week queuing to buy cash singles. Value of time is always a bit of a challenge. Using your hourly wage is reasonable enough, although for most people that is really an average and not a marginal value of time. It is quite possible that someone who earns more than that would still be willing to spend the extra time to save a few pounds - it really depends what else they would be doing with the time. -- To contact me take a davidhowdon and add a @yahoo.co.uk to the end. |
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Colin Rosenstiel writes I wouldn't go through gates with Oyster anything like often enough to know *before* attempting a journey whether it has enough credit on it maybe six months after I last used it. Though you can always check the balance on machines before doing so. As for tourists you have the reports here of a blue badge guide of the problems many tourists have understanding transport systems in a foreign language. Given that I was the BBG saying this, I ought to re-state that I think Oyster and especially Oyster Pre Pay are absolutely ideal for me. Some of my journeys begin with a train ride to London, others bring me into London by other means (coach or more rarely car) first. As a rule of thumb, if my journey only involves LT services then I'll use Oyster Pre Pay (probably but not always with the Daily Cap coming in). If the journey involves NR (as one will later this week) then it's a case of sticking with a paper One Day Travelcard. A bit tiresome that but a small enough burden to bear! When I come in by train (Chiltern) I'm not sure yet what I'll do. I'll have to look at the differential between the cost of a ticket to London + the Daily capping rate versus the cost of a Chiltern ODTC. Different circumstances always throw up different situations and Colin's journeys (which seem to be Cambridge - Putney sometimes overnight if I've understood correctly) might or might not involve the use of Oyster. But the *concept* of stored value and daily capping suits me down to the ground. **However** I will say again that trying to explain this to visitors is not nearly as straightforward as it probably is to most of us. I've tried and I've failed to get the point over to people. They won't pay £3 deposit for a card whose purpose they don't understand and I have a horrible feeling that come January I'm going to start having to deal with "megamoans" about tube fares. ( I already get this occasionally about single bus fares.) -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:03 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (James Farrar) wrote: On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:56 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (James Farrar) wrote: Or bother to look at the screens on the gates. Your lack of understanding is getting tiresome. Your anti-Oyster moaning got tiresome a longtime ago. Your refusal to understand the position of people who can't use Oyster like you is what is really tiresome. People living outside the zones can't do what you do. They are unlikely to have a Z1-3 Annual, yes. But they can still use Oyster pre-pay. Your circumstances are different from those of the sort of users I'm thinking of. My circumstances are (like many) that I have an Annual Travelcard loaded onto my Oystercard, but that (unlike you) I've not got an irrational hatred for Oyster. You're not listening again. I'm listening, but I'm not hearing any sensible reasons why people who live outside the zones cannot use Oyster pre-pay. People living in Network South East rarely need Oyster or cash fares because Oyster isn't supported for most ticketing requirements because of Travelcards. Therefore they will need singles only in exceptional circumstances. Rarely != never. But twice a year is close. But still not never. This year that has required me to buy just two singles. Next year I wouldn't recoup the £3 deposit on in those journeys. You don't have to pay the £3 again next year! You've conveniently not acknowledged this point. I wouldn't go through gates with Oyster anything like often enough to know *before* attempting a journey whether it has enough credit on it maybe six months after I last used it. Provided the credit is above the minimum fare, that doesn't matter until you get to the end. And then there's Auto top-up. And as a last resort, you can always write your current balance (or just a note saying "need to add credit" when appropriate) on a piece of paper and keep it with your card at the end of your journey. You refuse to try to understand other people's real experiences. You refuse to answer my arguments why you're "I can't use Oyster! I can't use Oyster! *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*" arguments have no basis in logic and sense. If you give me a logical, sensible reason why you cannot (as opposed to do not want to) use Oyster, then I may be able to accept you have a point. But as yet, you have provided no such reason, nor have you responded to any of the reasons I have given that your crying is unwarranted. -- James Farrar . @gmail.com |
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:52 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Nick Cooper) wrote: On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:12 +0100 (BST), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (TKD) wrote: The £3 deposit can be recouped from two journeys from next year so its hardly a moot point. Cash - 2 x Zone 2 (£3) singles = £6 Oyster - 2 x Zone 2 (£1) prepay = £2 (+ £3 deposit) = £5 Not only recouped but a pound saved. A very basic fact the anti-Oyster brigade seem incapable of understanding! The *minimum* cash fare of £3 will get the message home. I don't think people quite understand the implication of it just yet. From January just going one stop, even in zone 6, and paying cash is going to cost £3 (instead of £1 on Oyster). This is a mark-up of 200%. If this is prominently advertised at the ticket machines and explained properly by staff surely only the insane would resist migration to Oyster? it's called ripping off outsiders. I suppose my mother, who lives in Newcastle. would count as an "outsider," except that she has - and happily uses - an Oyster card, of course. She being outside NSE can't buy tube-inclusive tickets anyway. Anyone in NSE can do so but not for quite all journeys. Hence a very limited and possibly pretty infrequent need for Oyster. So perhaps you would like to revise your use of the term, "outsiders," then? -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV: http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/ |
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In message , James Farrar
writes Giving a *bigger* discount is a *rip-off*? Or bigger jealousy. -- Clive |
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(James Farrar) wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Ian Jelf) wrote: But the *concept* of stored value and daily capping suits me down to the ground. Indeed but there comes a point where the usage is so limited that it's more trouble than it's worth. Keeping credit on a card for months and months unused is a nuisance but a fair choice when the Oyster discount is 15%. But raising the discount to 50% is just a ripoff. Giving a *bigger* discount is a *rip-off*? To those who don't get it, yes. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Colin Rosenstiel writes To those who don't get it, yes. Rubbish, we can all get it, I live 350 miles from London and I benefit from Oyster and the cap. If you can afford cash fares then you're too highly paid. -- Clive |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:49:41 +0000, James Farrar
wrote: But the *concept* of stored value and daily capping suits me down to the ground. Indeed but there comes a point where the usage is so limited that it's more trouble than it's worth. Keeping credit on a card for months and months unused is a nuisance but a fair choice when the Oyster discount is 15%. But raising the discount to 50% is just a ripoff. Giving a *bigger* discount is a *rip-off*? It is if you do it by keeping the discounted fare the same and doubling the non-discounted fare. |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (James Farrar) wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Ian Jelf) wrote: But the *concept* of stored value and daily capping suits me down to the ground. Indeed but there comes a point where the usage is so limited that it's more trouble than it's worth. Keeping credit on a card for months and months unused is a nuisance but a fair choice when the Oyster discount is 15%. But raising the discount to 50% is just a ripoff. Giving a *bigger* discount is a *rip-off*? To those who don't get it, yes. Everyone gets it. Some may choose not to use it. But choosing to pay more isn't being ripped off. -- James Farrar . @gmail.com |
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In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes To those who don't get it, yes. Rubbish, we can all get it, I live 350 miles from London and I benefit from Oyster and the cap. If you can afford cash fares then you're too highly paid. You do because you can't buy National rail tickets which include tube travel. People living nearer can and therefore cover nearly all their tube travel requirements without Oyster. This year a one day travelcard from Cambridge with a Network Card costs £1.65 more than the day return fare to London Terminals. There is no ticket, Oyster or not, that I can buy in London that gets near that. Sounds a very good deal. If I were you, I wouldn't worry myself about Oyster Cards. |
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Colin Rosenstiel writes This year a one day travelcard from Cambridge with a Network Card costs £1.65 more than the day return fare to London Terminals. There is no ticket, Oyster or not, that I can buy in London that gets near that. If you can beat Oyster fares then why are you whinging? -- Clive |
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In message , Clive
writes If you can beat Oyster fares then why are you whinging? I think Colin's point, with which I agree, is that there are a number of types of journey that are more expensive using Oyster. However, whenever anyone mentions this, we seem to be dubbed "the anti-Oyster brigade" by people whose knowledge of travel patterns other than their own seems somewhat limited. Personally, I am not "anti Oyster" at all - and I don't suppose Colin is. I just wish the damn thing could actually manage to be as useful as a daily travel card. Unfortunately it remains useless for occasional travel on London's suburban rail network. -- Paul Terry |
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asdf said:
The situation is very simple. Either (a) They live outside the zones, and never buy Tube-only singles. They are not affected by the fare increases. No problem (b) They live outside the zones, yet occasionally buy Tube-only singles. Then they can get a pre-pay Oyster instead for a £3 deposit, which pays for itself after 2 journeys. The REAL problem with Oyster is that it's almost totally useless for a lot of people living IN the zones. I live in south London, and can't use Oyster for my season ticket to Croydon, because it's not valid on trains. There's no point using it on the tubes, because I'll have to get a train into London before I can get to the tube, so a paper one-day travelcard will be cheaper. So, I have this otherwise useless card lying in my purse just so I can get a slightly cheaper bus fare on the once or twice a month when I find that I need to go by bus! Except that this saving in money is paid for by an annying waste of time, since I have to queue up in the newsagents to pay for my ticket, instead of paying on the bus. Yes, I know I could in theory pay for my tickets on-line, but to do that I would have to : (a) know in advance that I will need to make a bus journey (which is silly because if you know ion advance that you're going on a journey, you can make other plans and so you won't need to take the bus), and (b) be the sort of person who actually buys things on-line in the first place instead of in a real shop where you can actually see the face of the person you're buying from and maybe even talk to them. If they just reduced the real bus fare down to Oyster levels, I could get rid of the card, my purse would be slightly less cluttered, and theyre'd be no need to keep queuing. (And if TfL do get rid of Oyster, they wouldn't be spending money on making all those cards and readers and gadgets and things, so they'd save money and the fares could come down anyway.) But, no. After all, TfL is run by men. And men love gadgets and gizmos. The more pointless a gadget is, the more men love it. Oyster is a particularly useless gizmo, so it's no wonder that we're stuck with it. |
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I live in south London, and can't use Oyster for my season ticket to Croydon, because it's not valid on trains. You are misinformed. Any season ticket sold on Oyster Card can be used on the NR trains for all the zones it is valid. |
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(James Farrar) wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:26 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (Clive) wrote: In message , Colin Rosenstiel writes To those who don't get it, yes. Rubbish, we can all get it, I live 350 miles from London and I benefit from Oyster and the cap. If you can afford cash fares then you're too highly paid. You do because you can't buy National rail tickets which include tube travel. People living nearer can and therefore cover nearly all their tube travel requirements without Oyster. This year a one day travelcard from Cambridge with a Network Card costs £1.65 more than the day return fare to London Terminals. There is no ticket, Oyster or not, that I can buy in London that gets near that. So why are you worrying about tube singles? Because on occasion, e.g. twice (on the same visit) this year I couldn't use Travelcards because they only work with day return tickets from Cambridge and I needed to make journeys beyond what is permitted on a Saver Return to Underground Zones 1 and 2. Yesterday and today I am making such journeys within what is permitted and don't need to buy any singles. As it happens I travelled to -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:02:56 -0000, "TKD" wrote:
I live in south London, and can't use Oyster for my season ticket to Croydon, because it's not valid on trains. You are misinformed. Any season ticket sold on Oyster Card can be used on the NR trains for all the zones it is valid. Perhaps a slight clarification is needed he Croydon to London Terminals season tickets are not available on Oyster. Zones 1-5 Travelcard seasons, however, are. |
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Colin Rosenstiel writes As it happens I travelled to That's why you didn't need a ticket. -- Clive |
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TKD said:
I live in south London, and can't use Oyster for my season ticket to Croydon, because it's not valid on trains. You are misinformed. Any season ticket sold on Oyster Card can be used on the NR trains for all the zones it is valid. My season ticket isn't valid in ANY zones. It's valid only between my local station and Croydon. -- |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: In article , (James Farrar) wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:26 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: This year a one day travelcard from Cambridge with a Network Card costs £1.65 more than the day return fare to London Terminals. There is no ticket, Oyster or not, that I can buy in London that gets near that. Fair enough - that's a no brainer where the ODTC is at such a small premium and you need the flexibility. So why are you worrying about tube singles? Because on occasion, e.g. twice (on the same visit) this year I couldn't use Travelcards because they only work with day return tickets from Cambridge and I needed to make journeys beyond what is permitted on a Saver Return to Underground Zones 1 and 2. Yesterday and today I am making such journeys within what is permitted and don't need to buy any singles. I suspect you will still disagree on the basis of "too much hassle" but given that you need an element of "beyond Z12" flexibility I would still have an Oyster Pre-Pay and load it with the bare minimum amount of value for the trips you are likely to make and on the final trip allow the card to go negative. This means you get discounted fares and value from the deposit - i.e. you're using it rather than TfL banking it. When you next need to use the card you simply top up again. This obviously requires a bit of calculation and forward planning on your part and you could legitimately say "why should I have to worry" but there are "tunes" you can play with the Oyster concept if you so wish. This is what I do with my Octopus card in Hong Kong - I run it close to negative and then use it for my final trip to the Airport to eat into the deposit. It gets replenished next time I use it - possibly a year later. As it happens I travelled to ... the land of invisible people :-) -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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