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All of this hassle because you wanted to save 50 pence.
Personally I don't think it was worth it. Only you can be accountable for your actions. Mr T "Harry Spencer" wrote in message ... "ribonucleotide" wrote in message ups.com... Now, year later I am receiving this fine of £100+ for a criminal offence! They could only manage that if you gave them your name and address. |
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ribonucleotide wrote:
J Lynch wrote: I understand your situation and you probably are genuine, but consider this for a moment. As suggested above, it would be surprising if a determined fare dodger were to say "its a fair cop guv - I have been deliberately defrauding TfL for a long time, thank you for catching me". It would be rather more likely that he or she will give some sort of reason, perhaps like the one you gave, to make it seem that he or he had simply failed to pay a fare that day, rather than travelling free on a regular basis. Exactly how, objectively, do you differentiate between a persistent fare dodger and someone such as yourself in those circumstances? This I understand. But I showed to the inspector a pack of travel cards for each of the previous days. I have them here in front of me: Day travel cards for January 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, week travel card up to 31 Jnr, and now travel card for 1 FBY (for which I paid extra 50p). I also have here the card I bought on 2 FBY. Can you tell from these tickets where you bought them? If not, the inspector could assume you got a free bus ride before buying them on all those days too. Also, I'm not clear from your story if you could have avoided the inspectors by getting off earlier or later. If so, that would count in your favour - a deliberate fare-dodger would have avoided the inspectors if he could. But it might cost you more to argue this in court than you would save if your argument were accepted. Colin McKenzie |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:55:06 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 08:53:44 on Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Nick Cooper remarked: Btw, there is a similar case now that was highlighted on BBC when a woman had an Oyster card that did not read properly on a bus. I guess she also made a "fatal" mistake of agreeing to pay the penalty before she was asked to. No, she made the fatal mistake of not having enough Prepay on her Oyster card, and then boarding despite the card reader on the bus not giving her a green light and the driver not noticing it. She gambled and lost. Just like you. Or she might not have noticed the reader on the bus not giving her a green light. Which is akin to her offering cash to the driver and "not noticing" when he doesn't take it because he's looking elsewhere/dealing with another passenger. Would she have then been right to continue boarding, rather than quierying the situation with the driver? Presumed innocent until the case has come to court, eh? Prseumed stupid in this case, more like. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV: http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/ |
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In message , at 11:14:55 on Sun, 30
Oct 2005, Nick Cooper remarked: No, she made the fatal mistake of not having enough Prepay on her Oyster card, and then boarding despite the card reader on the bus not giving her a green light and the driver not noticing it. She gambled and lost. Just like you. Or she might not have noticed the reader on the bus not giving her a green light. Which is akin to her offering cash to the driver and "not noticing" when he doesn't take it because he's looking elsewhere/dealing with another passenger. Would she have then been right to continue boarding, rather than quierying the situation with the driver? Completely different situation. Especially the amount and style of feedback to the passenger. (Does anyone else think it's odd that tube gates "acknowledge" the receipt of a paper ticket by putting on a red, or is it orange, light? So passengers begin to associate success with that.) Presumed innocent until the case has come to court, eh? Prseumed stupid in this case, more like. Until you've heard the facts, not some garbled reporting of pseudo-facts, you have no idea. -- Roland Perry |
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13:40:00 on Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Colin Rosenstiel remarked: (Does anyone else think it's odd that tube gates "acknowledge" the receipt of a paper ticket by putting on a red, or is it orange, light? So passengers begin to associate success with that.) Have you been in London recently? Yes. The newer gates have green lights. My observations are that the green light comes on when you use an Oyster, the red one when you use a paper ticket. The paper ticket is valid, so "red means valid". -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at
15:21:00 on Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Colin Rosenstiel remarked: My observations are that the green light comes on when you use an Oyster, the red one when you use a paper ticket. The paper ticket is valid, so "red means valid". I can't comment on the Oyster responses but the barriers at King's Cross look pretty green to me with a paper ticket. If that's the case, then they've been changed. -- Roland Perry |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry) wrote: In message , at 13:40:00 on Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Colin Rosenstiel remarked: (Does anyone else think it's odd that tube gates "acknowledge" the receipt of a paper ticket by putting on a red, or is it orange, light? So passengers begin to associate success with that.) Have you been in London recently? Yes. The newer gates have green lights. My observations are that the green light comes on when you use an Oyster, the red one when you use a paper ticket. The paper ticket is valid, so "red means valid". I can't comment on the Oyster responses but the barriers at King's Cross look pretty green to me with a paper ticket. Are we talking about the light on the panel containing the yellow Oystercard reader? On all the gates I've seen, the meanings a Yellow - ready to read an Oyster card Red - not ready to read an Oyster card Green - Oyster card accepted When a paper ticket is fed into the slot, the gate can't deal with Oyster cards until the paper ticket has been dealt with, so the Oyster light goes red, IIRC until the paper ticket is retrieved by its passenger. The light then changes to yellow even if the paper ticket has been rejected. This can lead to the following sequence: - Passenger A inserts paper ticket. Oyster light goes red - A's ticket is rejected, and is retrieved by passenger who doesn't notice the rejection, gate stays closed. - Oyster light turns yellow, passenger B (who hasn't noticed the rejection either) touches in; meanwhile, passenger A pushes at gates which don't open initially. - Gate accepts B's Oystercard, light turns green, gate opens. - Passenger A walks through gate, gate closes in front of passenger B. - Passenger B touches in again, but gets a red light (presumably a protection against use of one Oyster by two people travelling together). It would be helpful if the Oyster light stayed red for longer than usual after a paper ticket was rejected. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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16:18:46 on Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Richard J. remarked: Passenger A inserts paper ticket. Oyster light goes red But Colin says this is no longer the case. When was the change made? I've used almost 100% Oyster for the last year, so am not in a position to comment. -- Roland Perry |
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