About West London Tram
 

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:09:27 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

David Bradley wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:58:36 -0000, "Marratxi"
wrote:


"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
...

HUGE SNIP

Indeed, memory suggests that in parts of the US (Philadelphia
spring to mind) they are sometimes called "trackless trolleys"
where "trolley" is a common synonym for "streetcar" or "tram" (for
those of us brought up that side of the atlantic in the last 40
years, we all remember Mr. Rogers' Trolley).
Robin

When, as a kid in the 1940s and 50s, I visited my grandmothers in
Bradford the trolleybuses were always referred to as tracklesses.
Baz


This thread has prompted me to produce a web site on the 'issues'.
Please have a look at www.tfwl.co.uk

I note you still haven't told us which "unique shopping outlets and
generally architecturally interesting and sound buildings" are kikely to be
demolished.


The weather has been a bit naff lately to get some pictures of the buildings
that will be demolished to create enough room for the trams to operate. The
pictures are intended to show that the buildings are far from their end of
their useful life and make up the rich canvas of interesting buildings in the
area that gives it its unique character. In so many places today, one high
street is very much the same as found elsewhere. Then there are unique
business that will be displaced that are unlikely to set up shop elsewhere.

You must be aware that existing bus routes will not share the tram stops and
therefore must use lay bys to allow the trams to overtake. In some cases
demolition is required to achieve that aim. Now whether the night service,
where buses are used, will use tram stops or bus stops is currently unknown.

I am not against progress providing there is a real improvement upon that
which was there previously. Perhaps you may care to state your case on what
you think would be better with the tramway built and why that can't be
achieved with a trolleybus facility,

David Bradley

About West London Tram
 

David Bradley wrote:

I am not against progress providing there is a real improvement upon
that which was there previously. Perhaps you may care to state your
case on what you think would be better with the tramway built and why
that can't be achieved with a trolleybus facility,

You're making an unfounded assumption. I merely asked a question.

The buildings that will need to be demolished at The Lido in West Ealing are
merely lockup shops built on the front gardens of the houses. Whilst some of
them undoubtedly provide useful employment and services and as buildings are
probably sound even if of "lightweight" construction. However, they are not
by any stretch of the imagination "architecturally interesting".

As a road junction The Lido crossroads is tight and awkward. I would suggest
that the proposed slight widening will benefit the flow of all traffic.

With the exception of the increased traffic levels over the intervening
years why should reinstated trams along the Uxbridge Road be any more of a
problem than they were previously?

About West London Tram
 

In article , David Bradley
writes
I note you still haven't told us which "unique shopping outlets and
generally architecturally interesting and sound buildings" are kikely to be
demolished.


The weather has been a bit naff lately to get some pictures of the
buildings that will be demolished to create enough room for the trams to
operate.

An unfortunate choice of word there. I hope you meant would (if the
tramway ever gets built).
--
Thoss

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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:51:42 +0000, thoss wrote:

In article , David Bradley
writes
I note you still haven't told us which "unique shopping outlets and
generally architecturally interesting and sound buildings" are kikely to be
demolished.


The weather has been a bit naff lately to get some pictures of the
buildings that will be demolished to create enough room for the trams to
operate.

An unfortunate choice of word there. I hope you meant would (if the
tramway ever gets built).


Dam keyboard - it never understands what I wish to say and then has the nerve
to leave the odd word or two out, quite apart from the fact it can't spell.

Meanwhile, a start of the Lido junction segment has started with a web page of
the junction as it was in the summer of 2002. The page can be found at
http://www.tfwl.org.uk/lido2.html - this isn't the segment of the site I
wanted to work on right now but there does seem to be a lot of interest in
this particular junction.

The text relating to buildings is being prepared now. Any one care to add
some captions to the pictures to lessen my load a bit?

David Bradley

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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:41:59 +0000, David Bradley
wrote:

You must be aware that existing bus routes will not share the tram stops and
therefore must use lay bys to allow the trams to overtake. In some cases
demolition is required to achieve that aim.

I had read that existing bus routes would be rearranged to avoid
running along the tram route.

Can you give any specific locations where such demolition would be
required?

Now whether the night service, where buses are used, will use tram
stops or bus stops is currently unknown.

However, I don't see that this is a matter of concern.

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In article , David Bradley
writes
The text relating to buildings is being prepared now. Any one care to
add some captions to the pictures to lessen my load a bit?

I'll have a go.

1) Northfield Avenue looking north towards Lido Junction. Gosai cinema
entrance on right. Dean Gardens on left.

2) Looking north up Northfield Avenue towards Lido Junction.

3) Looking west along West Ealing Broadway from Lido Junction.

4) West Ealing Broadway west of Lido Junction, facing north.

5) West Ealing Broadway approaching Lido Junction from west.

6) as (5)

7) Lido Junction looking south down Northfield Avenue. Dean Gardens on
right. Gosai cinema in the centre; this was previously The Lido, from
which the junction took its name.

8) Looking south down Drayton Green Road towards Lido Junction and
Northfield Avenue. Gosai cinema in the distance.

9) Lido Junction looking west along West Ealing Broadway. Dean Gardens
in the background.

10) Lido Junction looking west along West Ealing Broadway.

11) Looking west along West Ealing Broadway towards Lido Junction,


With the Lido cinema now demolished, let's hope that it retains the
name.

Note: The road up from the south is often misnamed Northfields Avenue;
the correct name is Northfield Avenue.
--
Thoss

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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:10:43 +0000, thoss wrote:

In article , David Bradley
writes
The text relating to buildings is being prepared now. Any one care to
add some captions to the pictures to lessen my load a bit?

I'll have a go.

[snip]

Many thanks for the caption information which has been added to the web site.

David Bradley

About West London Tram
 

In article , David Bradley
writes
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:10:43 +0000, thoss wrote:

In article , David Bradley
writes
The text relating to buildings is being prepared now. Any one care to
add some captions to the pictures to lessen my load a bit?

I'll have a go.

[snip]

Many thanks for the caption information which has been added to the web site.

David Bradley

You're welcome. Would you please amend Note 1 to read

1) With the Lido cinema now demolished, let's hope that the junction
retains the name Lido
(if you agree with the sentiment, that is).
--
Thoss

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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:09:27 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

David Bradley wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:58:36 -0000, "Marratxi"
wrote:


"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
...

HUGE SNIP

Indeed, memory suggests that in parts of the US (Philadelphia
spring to mind) they are sometimes called "trackless trolleys"
where "trolley" is a common synonym for "streetcar" or "tram" (for
those of us brought up that side of the atlantic in the last 40
years, we all remember Mr. Rogers' Trolley).
Robin

When, as a kid in the 1940s and 50s, I visited my grandmothers in
Bradford the trolleybuses were always referred to as tracklesses.
Baz


This thread has prompted me to produce a web site on the 'issues'.
Please have a look at www.tfwl.co.uk

I note you still haven't told us which "unique shopping outlets and
generally architecturally interesting and sound buildings" are kikely to be
demolished.


I have now by putting up a page at http://www.tfwl.org.uk/lido1.html

David Bradley

About West London Tram
 

David Bradley wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:09:27 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

David Bradley wrote:
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:58:36 -0000, "Marratxi"
wrote:


"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
...

HUGE SNIP

Indeed, memory suggests that in parts of the US (Philadelphia
spring to mind) they are sometimes called "trackless trolleys"
where "trolley" is a common synonym for "streetcar" or "tram" (for
those of us brought up that side of the atlantic in the last 40
years, we all remember Mr. Rogers' Trolley).
Robin

When, as a kid in the 1940s and 50s, I visited my grandmothers in
Bradford the trolleybuses were always referred to as tracklesses.
Baz


This thread has prompted me to produce a web site on the 'issues'.
Please have a look at www.tfwl.co.uk

I note you still haven't told us which "unique shopping outlets and
generally architecturally interesting and sound buildings" are
kikely to be demolished.


I have now by putting up a page at http://www.tfwl.org.uk/lido1.html

So why put your response in a place where no one can react? You site doesn't
even include photos of the building you claim will be affected to allow
people to make their own judgement.

Building of architectural interest are eligible for listing by English
Heritage. Are any of the buildings you claim will be demolished so listed?
If not will you be making a listing application?