On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Tony Polson wrote:

"Ian Johnston" wrote:

I think we can safely assume that the people who ran the Olympic bid
did very nicely out of it. I think we can assume that the people who
run the games project will do very nicely out of it. And I think we can
safely assume that the people who live on or near the sites will be
****ed over before and during the games and left to rot afterwards.

London 2012 will be a landmark exercise in institutional corruption at
its very best (i.e. worst).

Oh, i don't know - bear in mind that it'll be in competition with the
world-class institutional corruption seen in every previous Olympics
project. Are you really saying institutional corruption is something the
British are world-beaters at? And if so, can we make it an event in the
Games?

tom

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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Ian Johnston wrote:

But above all, does anyone really believe in this regeneration hype in
the first place? I mean, if you really wanted to stimulate ecomic
recovery somewhere, would you give it a) a nice new industrial estate
with tax/rate breaks for incoming companies or b) a velodrome?

Ah, but that's not what's happening. The Olympics are a smokescreen - the
Olympics per se will have bugger all regenerative effect. What might well
do something is the millions of pounds that are going straight into
regeneration projects in the area - projects which were planned and
approved *long before* we got the Olympics. There probably will be
regeneration around Stratford, but it won't be because of the Olympics.
Not that any politician will admit that, now or in the future.

tom

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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:09:28 UTC, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Well, you ought to at least bear in mind that once the landowners have
been bought off, it's likely to be downgraded to a gravy tram. Or, horror
of horrors, a gravy trolleybus.

Worst of all - gawp 'elp us - a gravy Parry People Mover ...

Ian

In message dzZo7CxomoOm-pn2-CiMewQj38k8K@localhost, Ian Johnston
writes
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:09:28 UTC, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Well, you ought to at least bear in mind that once the landowners have
been bought off, it's likely to be downgraded to a gravy tram. Or, horror
of horrors, a gravy trolleybus.

Worst of all - gawp 'elp us - a gravy Parry People Mover ...

A Gravy RM. would be nice.......
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Ian Jelf wrote:

In message dzZo7CxomoOm-pn2-CiMewQj38k8K@localhost, Ian Johnston
writes
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:09:28 UTC, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Well, you ought to at least bear in mind that once the landowners have
been bought off, it's likely to be downgraded to a gravy tram. Or,
horror of horrors, a gravy trolleybus.

Worst of all - gawp 'elp us - a gravy Parry People Mover ...

A Gravy RM. would be nice.......

Pass the money further down the bus please...

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

Ian Johnston wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:09:28 UTC, Tom Anderson
wrote:


Well, you ought to at least bear in mind that once the landowners have
been bought off, it's likely to be downgraded to a gravy tram. Or, horror
of horrors, a gravy trolleybus.


Worst of all - gawp 'elp us - a gravy Parry People Mover ...

You've overlooked the possibility of the gravy Guided Bus. The great
solution to all our transport problems, don't you know.

Robin

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, R.C. Payne wrote:

Ian Johnston wrote:

Worst of all - gawp 'elp us - a gravy Parry People Mover ...

You've overlooked the possibility of the gravy Guided Bus. The
great solution to all our transport problems, don't you know.

Travel by water instead - get aboard the gravy boat. SCNR.

Ian Jelf wrote:


A Gravy RM. would be nice.......


Perhaps someone should put in a bid to the Heritage Lottery Fund (or
whatever it's called now) to run a fleet of Routemasters between the
Olympic Village and the venues.

;-)

"R.C. Payne" wrote in message
...

You've overlooked the possibility of the gravy Guided Bus. The great
solution to all our transport problems, don't you know.

A guided bus system doesn't seem so wonderful when you live in a town
infested for about 5 years by the roadworks to build it! Especially when it
only serves under 5% of the population.

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Tony Polson wrote:

Ian Jelf wrote:


A Gravy RM. would be nice.......


Perhaps someone should put in a bid to the Heritage Lottery Fund (or
whatever it's called now) to run a fleet of Routemasters between the
Olympic Village and the venues.

;-)



That's the first sensible suggestion I've heard about the whole debacle.

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