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Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
Gavin Hamilton wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:46:55 -0000, "TKD" wrote: "Gavin Hamilton" wrote in message . .. I was thinking of large parts of Surrey, namely Weybridge, Walton on Thames etc, and the likes of Watford and Denham, all of which fall inside the M25. Not all of these can be described as having a net effect of zero........... I still don't see how or why those places could move from the South East England or East of England regions to the London region without giving the residents the same voting rights as those already in the London region? There isn't any argument, benefit or precedent to support such a thing. If Ken wants Greater London to use the M25 as THE boundary he will have to include those areas and, I suspect, the political forces will not want upset the current cosy voting pattern - god forbid that the blue rinses of Walton & Weybridge should have a say in the election of the Greater London assembly and the mayor of London. I can just imagine some candidate saying (to paraphrase Patrica Hughit - patronising old bag) "this electorate is too middle class". File under "good idea - not politically acceptable". Maybe if they did, Ken could extend the Congestion Charge Zone to everything within the M25 ? (and maybe include the anti-clockwise carriageway of the M25 :-) |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
On 10 Nov 2005 13:11:43 -0800, "Mizter T" wrote:
[originally posted to uk.transport.london ] [ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this mean that passengers from these stations can no longer get railcard discounts on (off peak) travel cards and other journeys within the zones? If so, they will notice a significant fare increase. -- Peter Lawrence |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
"Peter Lawrence" wrote Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this mean that passengers from these stations can no longer get railcard discounts on (off peak) travel cards and other journeys within the zones? If so, they will notice a significant fare increase. No, I don't think so. Why should it mean that? Are you suggesting that railcard discounts are not available within the zones? |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
John Salmon wrote:
"Peter Lawrence" wrote Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this mean that passengers from these stations can no longer get railcard discounts on (off peak) travel cards and other journeys within the zones? If so, they will notice a significant fare increase. No, I don't think so. Why should it mean that? Are you suggesting that railcard discounts are not available within the zones? IIRC not on Oyster. -- Paul |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
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Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:47:35 +0000, Paul John Salmon wrote: "Peter Lawrence" wrote Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this mean that passengers from these stations can no longer get railcard discounts on (off peak) travel cards and other journeys within the zones? If so, they will notice a significant fare increase. No, I don't think so. Why should it mean that? Are you suggesting that railcard discounts are not available within the zones? IIRC not on Oyster. Oyster is a waste of time on NR at the moment. PRAR -- http://www.i.am/prar/ and http://prar.fotopic.net/ As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. --Dick Cavett Please reply to the newsgroup. That is why it exists. NB Anti-spam measures in force - If you must email me use the Reply to address and not |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:12:44 -0000, "TKD" wrote:
If Ken wants Greater London to use the M25 as THE boundary he will have to include those areas and, I suspect, the political forces will not want upset the current cosy voting pattern - god forbid that the blue rinses of Walton & Weybridge should have a say in the election of the Greater London assembly and the mayor of London. I can just imagine some candidate saying (to paraphrase Patrica Hughit - patronising old bag) "this electorate is too middle class". File under "good idea - not politically acceptable". For a start it will not be his decision, it will be made at Westminster level. I'm not entirely sure why he wants to extend the border as it doesn't make much political sense for him personally as most of the newly added London electorate would be unlikely to vote for him, preferring a low-tax, low-spend, "everyone have as many cars as you like" Tory mayor. The other problem will be the local government districts which will need to be redrawn. There will be small chunks left of districts outside the M25 that will need to absorbed into some other entity. Which perhaps uncovers his real intention. If the boundary is extended the existing London Boroughs will need to be reformed and he has already suggested larger "super boroughs". The intention is possibly to eliminate such thorns in his side as the City of Westminster London Borough Council. Statue of Mandela anyone? Which is more or less what I said............... G |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:42:33 +0000 (UTC), matt
wrote: Gavin Hamilton wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:46:55 -0000, "TKD" wrote: "Gavin Hamilton" wrote in message ... I was thinking of large parts of Surrey, namely Weybridge, Walton on Thames etc, and the likes of Watford and Denham, all of which fall inside the M25. Not all of these can be described as having a net effect of zero........... I still don't see how or why those places could move from the South East England or East of England regions to the London region without giving the residents the same voting rights as those already in the London region? There isn't any argument, benefit or precedent to support such a thing. If Ken wants Greater London to use the M25 as THE boundary he will have to include those areas and, I suspect, the political forces will not want upset the current cosy voting pattern - god forbid that the blue rinses of Walton & Weybridge should have a say in the election of the Greater London assembly and the mayor of London. I can just imagine some candidate saying (to paraphrase Patrica Hughit - patronising old bag) "this electorate is too middle class". File under "good idea - not politically acceptable". Maybe if they did, Ken could extend the Congestion Charge Zone to everything within the M25 ? (and maybe include the anti-clockwise carriageway of the M25 :-) I was under the impression that the M25 was already subject to parking charges already :-) Actually, although I only live 40ish miles from London I haven't been inside the M25 for about 18 months. G |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
In article , Gavin Hamilton
writes If Ken wants Greater London to use the M25 as THE boundary he will have to include those areas and, I suspect, the political forces will not want upset the current cosy voting pattern - god forbid that the blue rinses of Walton & Weybridge should have a say in the election of the Greater London assembly and the mayor of London. I can just imagine some candidate saying (to paraphrase Patrica Hughit - patronising old bag) "this electorate is too middle class". Um, the whole *idea* of the GLC was to bring lots of Tory areas into the voting of the London County Council and thus eliminate this Labour stronghold. I'm sure Ken knows just how bad an idea *that* was. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations
Mizter T wrote:
I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've only just seen this, despite having been to Sutton station twice in the last week. I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner One of the side effects is that a Travelcard holder can now go for a walk on Epsom Downs and go between the two terminuses. From a personal point of view I *think* Epsom Downs is the closer station to my parents home, but it's not entirely clear (not least because there's quite a bit of doubling back to get to the station itself at the end of the estate) but I've hardly ever used it, taking Epsom instead. (Also I recall that the Epsom-Sutton fare is or was cheaper than the Epsom Downs-Sutton fare.) Now that Epsom Downs doesn't require a ticket extension on my travelcard this may well change my travel pattern when visiting. I wonder also if this will lead to others using Epsom Downs more for visiting the College end of Epsom. I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. Have the district councils had any input on this? Despite the name, the Epsom Downs line is pretty much in Reigate & Banstead (okay it's the border in places). |
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