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Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations
I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't
seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southern fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. ____________________ [1] National Rail (ATOC) London Connections map: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...LC_May_x05.pdf [2] Southern Railway 'Fare Pal' - info re zonal fares in South London http://www.southernrailway.com/main.php?page_id=126 [3] Kingston Times story - 'SWT Moves To Help Surbiton' http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/se...p_surbiton.php |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations
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[ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southern fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. ____________________ [1] National Rail (ATOC) London Connections map: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...LC_May_x05.pdf [2] Southern Railway 'Fare Pal' - info re zonal fares in South London http://www.southernrailway.com/main.php?page_id=126 [3] Kingston Times story - 'SWT Moves To Help Surbiton' http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/se...p_surbiton.php |
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[originally posted to uk.transport.london ]
[ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southern fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. ____________________ [1] National Rail (ATOC) London Connections map: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...LC_May_x05.pdf [2] Southern Railway 'Fare Pal' - info re zonal fares in South London http://www.southernrailway.com/main.php?page_id=126 [3] Kingston Times story - 'SWT Moves To Help Surbiton' http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/se...p_surbiton.php |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:11:43 -0000, Mizter T wrote:
[originally posted to uk.transport.london ] [ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham I've grouped them together for ease of reference. They all appear on the London Connections map [1], and (logically) they're all outside the Greater London boundary in the county of Surrey. The poster said that most passengers would benefit from this change in terms of the fares available to them. It should be noted that Southe fares in South London are now calculated on a zonal basis (see the Southern website [2]). Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. I Guess that Southern will reach their performance targets for both Sussex Coast and Metro Services either this month or next so the performance discount will be discontinued on season tickets. They can probably afford the zone 6 tidying up excercise. I gather they may soon be accepting oyster pay as you go in the travelcard area as well. Paul |
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Martin Underwood wrote:
Mizter T wrote in I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this apply to One-Day Travelcards when travelling from outside London - ie where the ticket includes travel into London as well as unlimited travel within all the London zones? Er, I think you're making it sound more complicated than it is! Those stations will cease to be outside the zones, and become Zone 6 stations, just like any other Zone 6 station. Presumably there will be a period during which season tickets bought under the old system will continue to be valid. Perhaps there may be some refund system for those season ticket holders whose old ticket is more expensive than the equivalent new ticket, which I speculate would be the majority of commuters (those who travel into into London). Maybe only holders of season tickets over a certain period (say 6 months) will get to apply for a refund. I am guessing. I know nothing more than what the poster said, which I have basically repeated above. Perhaps this poster has been displayed too early - if no-one else has seen said poster, I'll make an endeavour to take a picture. |
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There's one of these posters displayed on platform 14 at Clapham
Junction, near the bottom of the footbridge. Noticed it on Tuesday but forgot to post here about it. I'm surprised nothing has been said by TfL yet (and certainly asking around the office today none of the usual suspects knew about it either). Cheers Steve M Mizter T wrote: Martin Underwood wrote: Mizter T wrote in I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner Whyteleafe, Whyteleaf South and Caterham Upper Wharlingham Does this apply to One-Day Travelcards when travelling from outside London - ie where the ticket includes travel into London as well as unlimited travel within all the London zones? Er, I think you're making it sound more complicated than it is! Those stations will cease to be outside the zones, and become Zone 6 stations, just like any other Zone 6 station. Presumably there will be a period during which season tickets bought under the old system will continue to be valid. Perhaps there may be some refund system for those season ticket holders whose old ticket is more expensive than the equivalent new ticket, which I speculate would be the majority of commuters (those who travel into into London). Maybe only holders of season tickets over a certain period (say 6 months) will get to apply for a refund. I am guessing. I know nothing more than what the poster said, which I have basically repeated above. Perhaps this poster has been displayed too early - if no-one else has seen said poster, I'll make an endeavour to take a picture. |
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"Mizter T" wrote: I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing the flow' from Epsom with SWT? Chris |
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Chris Read wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: Banstead and Epsom Downs Chipstead, Kingswood, Tadworth and Tattenham Corner What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing the flow' from Epsom with SWT? Chris The south west extended zone 6 beyond Greater London many years ago, to include Thames Ditton and Hampton Court, about the same time as the top of the Hainault Loop, and well before Epping. But I thought that might be because Hampton Court is an attraction in London, served by a station in Surrey. |
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Mizter T wrote: I wonder what the proceedure is for adding stations to the zones or changing which zones a station is in. I presume TfL must be consulted, and the other London train companies need to OK it as well. I guess that's what ATOC's London Schemes Council is for. Well i'd love to get an answer to what i've been wondering for years now. How come Watford Junction isn't in the travelcard zones when it is nearer to london than say, Epping? It's even within the M25 area! I used to think it was because Virgin stopped there but Virgin don't let people travel to Watford from London. |
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"GreatWesternSean" wrote in message
oups.com... Well i'd love to get an answer to what i've been wondering for years now. How come Watford Junction isn't in the travelcard zones when it is nearer to london than say, Epping? It's even within the M25 area! I used to think it was because Virgin stopped there but Virgin don't let people travel to Watford from London. Epping was only added to the TfL zone system recently (1998ish) - previously, the stations on the Epping branch of the Central Line outside of Greater London behaved like the Met stations beyond Moor Park do now. The idea is to simplify life for Tube travellers (and for TfL ticketing!). The stations around Hainault, many of which are also in Essex, were in the zone stysem from the start to simplify life for passengers going round the loop. The Met stations remain outside the standard zone system because even in the interests of simplification, it would be silly to treat a 15 minute Surbiton - London journey as the same as a 45 minute Amersham - London journey. So Watford Junction is out because it doesn't have an Underground service. Watford Met is out because that bit of the Met has to go beyond the zone system anyway, so there are no simplification benefits. If TfL were to take over the DC lines (whether as part of a takeover of NLL service specification, or a conversion to the Bakerloo - both mooted by official types recently), things might change, or they might not. NB Watford is only within the M25 area because the M25 bulges out to go round Watford: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51....0.853226&hl=en -- John Band astic - delete iastic to reply |
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John Band wrote: "GreatWesternSean" wrote in message oups.com... Well i'd love to get an answer to what i've been wondering for years now. How come Watford Junction isn't in the travelcard zones when it is nearer to london than say, Epping? It's even within the M25 area! I used to think it was because Virgin stopped there but Virgin don't let people travel to Watford from London. Epping was only added to the TfL zone system recently (1998ish) - previously, the stations on the Epping branch of the Central Line outside of Greater London behaved like the Met stations beyond Moor Park do now. The idea is to simplify life for Tube travellers (and for TfL ticketing!). The stations around Hainault, many of which are also in Essex, were in the zone stysem from the start to simplify life for passengers going round the loop. You may be right about that, and in that case I was wrong in my other post, and that would mean that the Hainault line was the only bit outside of London when zones started. But I had thought (as I mentioned elsewhere) that it was around the same time as the Hampton Court line, which I definitely needed extensions for up to the early 1990s and then no longer did afterwards. The Met stations remain outside the standard zone system because even in the interests of simplification, it would be silly to treat a 15 minute Surbiton - London journey as the same as a 45 minute Amersham - London journey. So Watford Junction is out because it doesn't have an Underground service. Watford Met is out because that bit of the Met has to go beyond the zone system anyway, so there are no simplification benefits. If TfL were to take over the DC lines (whether as part of a takeover of NLL service specification, or a conversion to the Bakerloo - both mooted by official types recently), things might change, or they might not. NB Watford is only within the M25 area because the M25 bulges out to go round Watford: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51....0.853226&hl=en -- John Band astic - delete iastic to reply |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC), "Chris Read"
wrote: What's the logic in extending Z6 to Epsom Downs and Tattenham Corner, but not to Epsom? Are there particular difficulties caused by Southern 'sharing the flow' from Epsom with SWT? Perhaps because Tattenham Corner is the end of that particular line? -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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Perhaps because Tattenham Corner is the end of that particular line?
I'm sure that's it - all the stations mentioned are termini of lines that are partly in GL (and there are no competing operators) save Upper Warlingham (which would be daft to be outside when the Whyteleaves are inside). So it's a bit of an Epping or Hampton Court effect. On my maps Watford is farther out than any of these. That leaves Shepperton as the only such terminus not covered in this way AFAICS. Make those TV audience wannabees urged to head there pay extra? In that area, I don't understand why stations from Kingston to Fulwell are in Zone 5 (as they geographically should be) rather than Zone 6, unless they're trying to keep all the Hamptons together (no pun intended.) Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? |
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wrote Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? Not permitted. There are off-peak trains which loop between Crayford and Slade Green (and these stay within Zone 6, although they cross the Greater London boundary), and a few peak trains which loop between Barnehurst and Slade Green. You can of course use a Travelcard to get to Dartford, as long as you travel on a London bus, and not a train. Peter |
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Larry Lard wrote in
: wrote: [snip] Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? No, zonal tickets have to cover the entirety of your journey. You can't go from West Drayton to Upminster with just a zone 6 travelcard, even with appropriate promises :) That's why the *******s have made North London Line stations alternate between two different zones to prevent someone going from Richmond to North Woolwich on just a single zone ticket. |
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Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station. |
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Epping was only added to the TfL zone system recently (1998ish) - previously, the stations on the Epping branch of the Central Line outside of Greater London behaved like the Met stations beyond Moor Park do now. The idea is to simplify life for Tube travellers (and for TfL ticketing!). The stations around Hainault, many of which are also in Essex, were in the zone stysem from the start to simplify life for passengers going round the loop. All of the stations on the Hainult loop are within walking distance of the Greater London boundary. The main reason for there inclusion was probably so a journey from Woodford to Hainault (both in London) would not be charged excessively because of passing briefly into Essex. |
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"TKD" wrote in message . .. Epping was only added to the TfL zone system recently (1998ish) - previously, the stations on the Epping branch of the Central Line outside of Greater London behaved like the Met stations beyond Moor Park do now. The idea is to simplify life for Tube travellers (and for TfL ticketing!). The stations around Hainault, many of which are also in Essex, were in the zone stysem from the start to simplify life for passengers going round the loop. All of the stations on the Hainult loop are within walking distance of the Greater London boundary. The main reason for there inclusion was probably so a journey from Woodford to Hainault (both in London) would not be charged excessively because of passing briefly into Essex. In fact, the only station on the Hainault loop outside Greater London is Chigwell. Grange Hill and Roding Valley are right on the boundary line. |
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"TKD" wrote in message . .. Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station. and travel to Amersham, Chesham and Watford! |
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Well i'd love to get an answer to what i've been wondering for years
now. How come Watford Junction isn't in the travelcard zones when it is nearer to london than say, Epping? It's even within the M25 area! I used to think it was because Virgin stopped there but Virgin don't let people travel to Watford from London. The basic reasoning, as I understand it, is that Hertfordshire County Council don't "pay in" to the TfL "pot", so the stations there aren't in the Travelcard zones. Essex County Council, meanwhile, *do* pay into the pot, which is why the stations out to Epping are in Zone 6. or Zone 5. |
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TKD wrote: Well i'd love to get an answer to what i've been wondering for years now. How come Watford Junction isn't in the travelcard zones when it is nearer to london than say, Epping? It's even within the M25 area! I used to think it was because Virgin stopped there but Virgin don't let people travel to Watford from London. The basic reasoning, as I understand it, is that Hertfordshire County Council don't "pay in" to the TfL "pot", so the stations there aren't in the Travelcard zones. Essex County Council, meanwhile, *do* pay into the pot, which is why the stations out to Epping are in Zone 6. or Zone 5. Typical local authority parsimony! One little known fact about Watford is that it was planned in the 1930's for Watford to become part of the London 7 figure telephone area in the early 1940's. This was not proceeded with, possibly because of wartime priorities, and the plan was not revived after the war. |
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13:11:43 on Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Mizter T remarked: Also I read a story on the Kingston Times website that says SWT are considering extending Zone 6 out to "stations such as Esher, Hinchley Wood and Claygate" [3]. Those three stations are all within the extended urban sprawl that is London. And Hinchley Wood even has 020 phone numbers (to the east of the railways line). To that extent they "deserve" to be in Z6 just as much as Thames Ditton and Hampton Court. The next stations out, however, are outside that sprawl (just). -- Roland Perry |
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Orienteer ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station. and travel to Amersham, Chesham and Watford! They're in the tube zone system, though. |
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TKD wrote: Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station. I while ago, I thought I remembered (or had dreamed) a proposal or rule change to allow people to travel through a zone without getting off without a ticket for that zone. I wrongly thought it might be the central zone, but I am thinking now that it must have been to do with travelling through an outer zone. If that rule change or proposal was true, one would be able to travel from, say, Belvedere to Albany Park with just a zone 5 ticket. It could still be a figment of my deranged imagination. |
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"MIG" wrote in message oups.com... TKD wrote: Then there's Dartford. It's hard for customers on the 3 north Kent parallels to get from one line to the other without going back to Lewisham which might not be in their zone. Is it permitted to change trains at either Dartford or Lewisham on a travelcard if you promise not to leave the station? An anomaly is that holders of freedom passes can use Dartford station. I while ago, I thought I remembered (or had dreamed) a proposal or rule change to allow people to travel through a zone without getting off without a ticket for that zone. I wrongly thought it might be the central zone, but I am thinking now that it must have been to do with travelling through an outer zone. If that rule change or proposal was true, one would be able to travel from, say, Belvedere to Albany Park with just a zone 5 ticket. It could still be a figment of my deranged imagination. I think it must have been. IIRC, the zones for NLL stations were fiddled some time ago to ensure that it was necessary to hold a 2-zone ticket (Zones 2 and 3) for most journeys - even so, if there are any commuters between North Woolwich and Kew Gardens they get a bargain, as long as they don't decamp at West Ham and go the rest of tHe way by LUL District Line. Peter |
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You'd think that it would make sense for the boundaries between one "county" and another to be moved from time to time to take account of any urban sprawl of a city on the boundary, so as always to avoid splitting that city. The conurbation of Reading is split between Reading, West Berkshire and Wokingham, when it would be much better for the boundary to be moved so it runs through sparsely-populated areas between Reading and the surrounding villages. Likewise for London - though where you (literally!) draw the line between London and its surroundings is a more difficult one! Ken Livingstone has suggested aligning the London boundary to the M25. Initially Epsom, and several other peripheral districts, were intended to be part of Greater London. |
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"Peter Masson" wrote: I think it must have been. IIRC, the zones for NLL stations were fiddled some time ago to ensure that it was necessary to hold a 2-zone ticket (Zones 2 and 3) for most journeys - even so, if there are any commuters between North Woolwich and Kew Gardens they get a bargain, as long as they don't decamp at West Ham and go the rest of tHe way by LUL District Line. If there are any commuters between North Woolwich and Kew Gardens, they deserve a medal as well as a bargain. Seventy minutes commuting could get them from London to Grantham, Chippenham or Ipswich, rather than 20 miles through the back gardens of the less salubrious bits of north London. Chris |
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"TKD" wrote
Ken Livingstone has suggested aligning the London boundary to the M25. Initially Epsom, and several other peripheral districts, were intended to be part of Greater London. The parish of Knockholt was actually put into Greater London, but protested so much that it escaped back into Kent. Knockholt staton is however, not in Knockholt and (just) within Greater London, so within Zone 6. Peter |
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:18:18 -0000, "TKD" wrote:
You'd think that it would make sense for the boundaries between one "county" and another to be moved from time to time to take account of any urban sprawl of a city on the boundary, so as always to avoid splitting that city. The conurbation of Reading is split between Reading, West Berkshire and Wokingham, when it would be much better for the boundary to be moved so it runs through sparsely-populated areas between Reading and the surrounding villages. Likewise for London - though where you (literally!) draw the line between London and its surroundings is a more difficult one! Ken Livingstone has suggested aligning the London boundary to the M25. Initially Epsom, and several other peripheral districts, were intended to be part of Greater London. Ken has had some daft ideas but I'm with him on this one. But will it entitle all those domiciled within the M25 to have a vote in the election for London mayor? Somehow I doubt it. All those within the "London commuter zone" are likely to be affected by plans made Transport for London/Lefties! G |
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You'd think that it would make sense for the boundaries between one "county" and another to be moved from time to time to take account of any urban sprawl of a city on the boundary, so as always to avoid splitting that city. The conurbation of Reading is split between Reading, West Berkshire and Wokingham, when it would be much better for the boundary to be moved so it runs through sparsely-populated areas between Reading and the surrounding villages. Likewise for London - though where you (literally!) draw the line between London and its surroundings is a more difficult one! Ken Livingstone has suggested aligning the London boundary to the M25. Initially Epsom, and several other peripheral districts, were intended to be part of Greater London. Ken has had some daft ideas but I'm with him on this one. But will it entitle all those domiciled within the M25 to have a vote in the election for London mayor? Somehow I doubt it. What makes you say that? If the London regional boundary is realigned to the M25 then everyone in that boundary will have the right to vote for the Mayor and a London Assembly candidate. In fact some minor realignment to the M25 has already taken place, although the number of affected population gaining (or loosing) that right has been in single figures or zero. An example: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1993/Uksi_19931218_en_1.htm |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
"TKD" wrote in message ... You'd think that it would make sense for the boundaries between one "county" and another to be moved from time to time to take account of any urban sprawl of a city on the boundary, so as always to avoid splitting that city. The conurbation of Reading is split between Reading, West Berkshire and Wokingham, when it would be much better for the boundary to be moved so it runs through sparsely-populated areas between Reading and the surrounding villages. Likewise for London - though where you (literally!) draw the line between London and its surroundings is a more difficult one! Ken Livingstone has suggested aligning the London boundary to the M25. Initially Epsom, and several other peripheral districts, were intended to be part of Greater London. Ken has had some daft ideas but I'm with him on this one. But will it entitle all those domiciled within the M25 to have a vote in the election for London mayor? Somehow I doubt it. What makes you say that? If the London regional boundary is realigned to the M25 then everyone in that boundary will have the right to vote for the Mayor and a London Assembly candidate. In fact some minor realignment to the M25 has already taken place, although the number of affected population gaining (or loosing) that right has been in single figures or zero. An example: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1993/Uksi_19931218_en_1.htm Another example: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1993/Uksi_19930441_en_1.htm |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
DERWENT Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
10 Nov 2005 13:11:43 -0800, "Mizter T" [originally posted to uk.transport.london ] [ommitted to cross-post this to uk.railway ] [pls reply to *this* post- sorry for the mess] I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: SNIP I don't understand why they didn't just invent a zone 7. Does this also mean that the Zone A tube stations will also be moving into Zone 6? PRAR -- http://www.i.am/prar/ and http://prar.fotopic.net/ As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. --Dick Cavett Please reply to the newsgroup. That is why it exists. NB Anti-spam measures in force - If you must email me use the Reply to address and not |
Zone 6 conquers ten further Southern stations...
I'm surprised that no-one has referred to this yet, though it doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Southern (or any other) website(s). I've seen a poster at a Southern station, which has been there at least a week, that states that from 2 January 2006, when new fares are introduced, the London's Zone 6 will be extended to include the following stations to the south of Croydon and Sutton: SNIP I don't understand why they didn't just invent a zone 7. Does this also mean that the Zone A tube stations will also be moving into Zone 6? Probably because TfL have a long term goal of having fewer zones, not more. Also the inclusion in Zone 6 seems to be a Southern idea rather than a TfL initiative, probably just to make its charging "fairer" as it has adopted zonal charging for all its station within London. |
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