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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:52:00 GMT, "Eddie Bellass"
wrote:

But there isn't room for *all* of us in there..! The whole train
should be phone-free.
-----------------------------------

The development of this thread has taken me back 20 years
or so, to when I was British Telecom's Business Systems
Manager at Warrington and also an active writer/photographer
for RAIL and other rail enthusiast magazines.

I was on a BR (Provincial?) press trip from Sheffield to Liverpool
on the prototype Met-Camm Class 151 dmu --- during which we
ceremoniously 'opened' the then new Hazel Grove chord line.
I seem to remember that Bob Goundry himself cut the tape.

I had in my possession my then brand new Motorola 'brick' mobile
phone, which had just been distributed to BT managers, along with an
'open account', chargeable to publicity. It was called a 'brick'
phone because it looked like one, felt like one & was nearly as
heavy! We were encouraged to use it whenever we were out and about
and offer its use to anybody in business who might like to try it.

The maximum endurance of this early mobile phone was 30 mins
talk time and 10 hours standby but I had spare batteries for it so
I demonstrated it to both the BR management on board and
to fellow journalists. They flattened the first battery 'phoning the
office', but in the case of two evening paper hacks, this got their
'copy' into the last editions that same night!

I returned home with dozens of enquiries and business cards
in my pocket which I passed on to our BT Sales Dept. next day,
since I was an engineer. I also arranged for the loan of some demo
mobile phones to BR's Liverpool management, from which BT Sales
did extremely well not long afterwards. BT Engineers didn't earn any
commission but the sales people did, resulting in me and 3 of my top
technical staff being treated to a slap-up meal a few weeks later!

Next time you are overwhelmed by on-train mobile phone chatter,
remember who *may* just have started it all! :-) :-) :-)

{Sorry lads, I'm returning to my bunker now...}.


Lovely story Eddie - I forgive you.. :-)

It reminds me of the time I borrowed my fathers car (about 25 years
ago) to go to meet some friends in the the pub. My father was on call
(he was a CEGB engineer) and consequently I also had his pager (about
the size of a cheque book several times thicker) it was too big to fit
in a pocket. If he was called out he'd get "control" to ring his pager
and I'd have to get home quick. Fortunately it didn't go off but a lot
of people wanted to know what it was as I couldn't hide it.

G

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
22:27:29 on Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Brimstone
remarked:
I don't care what people do on trains/busses/in public as long as
it doesn't affect other people. As soon as that happens, the
perpetrator has over-stepped the mark, and should stop.

So if someone insists on silence, and that affects someone who has
an important phone call to make...

Tough ****.

Glad we got that one sorted. Tough **** can work both ways, of course.

However, in law at least, the person who wants peace and quiet usually wins
over the person who wants to make a noise and disturbe others. The reality
"on the street" (to borrow a phrase) may well come down to who can
intimidate who.

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In message , at
09:34:09 on Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Brimstone
remarked:
I don't care what people do on trains/busses/in public as long as
it doesn't affect other people. As soon as that happens, the
perpetrator has over-stepped the mark, and should stop.

So if someone insists on silence, and that affects someone who has
an important phone call to make...

Tough ****.

Glad we got that one sorted. Tough **** can work both ways, of course.

However, in law at least, the person who wants peace and quiet usually wins
over the person who wants to make a noise and disturbe others. The reality
"on the street" (to borrow a phrase) may well come down to who can
intimidate who.

It's all about reasonableness. I have no time for the people with silly
ring tones (someone on the train yesterday had one which shouted "answer
the phone!" over and over again) or with those who conduct one-sided
conversations as if they were speaking at a public meeting.

Nevertheless, it's galling for those of us who do know that we can talk
quietly and still be heard the other end, to be prevented from doing so
by "one size fits all" rules.

A final note: I refrained from making a long call on the train
yesterday. Making the call later from a (very cold metal) seat at a
London terminus I was dismayed to have to stop the discussion three
times as I was overpowered by the station announcer sufficiently that I
wasn't just unable to hear what the other person was saying, but even
tell if they were speaking at all!

So much for silence winning over peace and quiet :-)
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:15:20 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

It's all about reasonableness. I have no time for the people with silly
ring tones (someone on the train yesterday had one which shouted "answer
the phone!" over and over again) or with those who conduct one-sided
conversations as if they were speaking at a public meeting.

Nevertheless, it's galling for those of us who do know that we can talk
quietly and still be heard the other end, to be prevented from doing so
by "one size fits all" rules.


My ring tone plays "Nellie the Elephant". Do you find that
acceptable? (Actually, if you don't, tough ****.)

Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws.

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:35:08 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

Incidentally, my living is driving buses, I don't see why I should spend
my entire working day subjected to other people's noisy conversations

What makes you think you have any business doing that? What do you
think people did before buses were invented?

Works both ways, doesn't it? If people want to use your bus, why
shouldn't they? If they want to talk to people on the next seat, or on
the phone, why shouldn't they?

Of course, buses used to have the driver kept separate in a driving
cab, deafened by the roar of the engine. But the drive to cut the cost
of the conductor put paid to that. Perhaps you should campaign for
soundproof screens rather than **** off you passengers - the people
who pay your wages.

If you really find the chatter of your passengers such a problem,
perhaps you should get a new job. There aren't any lighthouse keepers
any more, but perhaps you could herd sheep on some hillside miles for
other people.


--

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On 17 Nov 2005 02:52:52 -0800, "Andy Kent"
wrote:

I don't know but it never ceases to amaze me why all the really noisy
and annoying people seem to make a bee-line for the Quiet Carriage.

When I used Virgin trains regularly, I used to avoid the quiet
carriage, because it was usually the noisiest place on the train.

--

Iain
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In message , at 11:58:00 on
Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Laurence Payne
remarked:
My ring tone plays "Nellie the Elephant". Do you find that
acceptable?

Mine played "Popeye the sailor man" for a while [1], so I'm in no
position to comment :-)

[1] Now it is simply a "ring ring" like a mechanical telephone bell.
--
Roland Perry

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:34:24 +0000, wrote:

When I used Virgin trains regularly, I used to avoid the quiet
carriage, because it was usually the noisiest place on the train.

Funny how that sort of thing happens. Or how people like to say it
does :-)

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In message , at 12:32:12 on
Fri, 18 Nov 2005, remarked:
If you really find the chatter of your passengers such a problem,
perhaps you should get a new job. There aren't any lighthouse keepers
any more, but perhaps you could herd sheep on some hillside miles for
other people.

And don't get a job as a football referee (or indeed a football player)
if the noise of the crowd will put you off.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , Roland
Perry writes

Snip

What, I hear you ask, would I have done before the days of mobile
phones? I've had one since 1988, so we are going back a fair way, but
the answer is that I employed a fulltime secretary to organise such
things for me when I was otherwise uncontactable, and whose job it was
to make sure that when I went out she knew the landline numbers of
everywhere I was likely to be (and the names of the secretaries of all
the people I was visiting).

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West
Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes
and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were
regularly vandalised.

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

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In message , Laurence Payne
writes

There was a time when you could say "I'm not ruining my front door by
cutting out a letter-box!".

Several years ago I leafletted this village for the Parish Council.

I was very surprised to find how many modern houses had front doors
without a letter-box.

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:15:20 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

It's all about reasonableness. I have no time for the people with
silly ring tones (someone on the train yesterday had one which
shouted "answer the phone!" over and over again) or with those who
conduct one-sided conversations as if they were speaking at a public
meeting.

Nevertheless, it's galling for those of us who do know that we can
talk quietly and still be heard the other end, to be prevented from
doing so by "one size fits all" rules.


My ring tone plays "Nellie the Elephant". Do you find that
acceptable? (Actually, if you don't, tough ****.)

Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws.

Quite true, we don't. However, as long as some people insist on behaving
like spoiled brats than Nanny has to give them a smack occasionaly.

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:10:33 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws.

Quite true, we don't. However, as long as some people insist on behaving
like spoiled brats than Nanny has to give them a smack occasionaly.


So do you want nanny laws or not?

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In message , at 13:05:51 on Fri,
18 Nov 2005, M. J. Powell remarked:
What, I hear you ask, would I have done before the days of mobile
phones? I've had one since 1988, so we are going back a fair way, but
the answer is that I employed a fulltime secretary to organise such
things for me when I was otherwise uncontactable, and whose job it was
to make sure that when I went out she knew the landline numbers of
everywhere I was likely to be (and the names of the secretaries of all
the people I was visiting).

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the
West Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone
boxes and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were
regularly vandalised.

I managed too, but with support (as I described) and the level of demand
from outside the organisation was lower, too. What's increased over the
years is people's expectations.

A trivial example: I've replied to your posting within half an hour of
it propagating. In those days you'd have been lucky to have email at
all, or expect a response in less than a few days.

--
Roland Perry

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"Laurence Payne"
wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:35:08 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

Or they go elsewhere. It's a privilege to have
employment now. Let us get on with it.

How did you ever manage in business before mobile
phones were invented, "dear"..?

How did you make a living before 'busses were invented?

I wasn't born, perhaps you were, I don't know. Anyway, to get back to
trains, I worked for BR for 15 years, although not on trains.

There was a time when you could say "I'm not ruining my
front door by cutting out a letter-box!". When you
could say "I refuse to install a 'phone! If they want
me, let them write!". When not having an answering
machine, a fax, email were possible options. When you
could say "I'm traveling today. I'll be out of touch for
several hours!".

None of these are currently possible. Tough, ain't it?

All of them are possible, what makes you say they're not..?

Incidentally, my living is driving buses, I don't see
why I should spend my entire working day subjected to
other people's noisy conversations. Or shall I come and
park myself in your office all day and make phone
calls..?

A bad analogy, and you know it.

Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I don't see why people
should be allowed to do what they want in it.

Ivor

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"M. J. Powell" wrote in message

In message ,
Laurence Payne
writes

There was a time when you could say "I'm not ruining my
front door by cutting out a letter-box!".

Several years ago I leafletted this village for the
Parish Council.
I was very surprised to find how many modern houses had
front doors without a letter-box.

I did a stint as a temporary postman a while back, while between jobs. It
was amazing how many doors had either no letterbox at all or one you could
hardly get a postcard through.

Ivor

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wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:35:08 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

Incidentally, my living is driving buses, I don't see
why I should spend my entire working day subjected to
other people's noisy conversations

What makes you think you have any business doing that?
What do you think people did before buses were invented?

Walked..?

Works both ways, doesn't it? If people want to use your
bus, why shouldn't they? If they want to talk to people
on the next seat, or on the phone, why shouldn't they?

Because it's disturbing to others. Also a loud voice can be distracting to
driving, especially in a busy city centre.

Of course, buses used to have the driver kept separate in
a driving cab, deafened by the roar of the engine. But
the drive to cut the cost of the conductor put paid to
that. Perhaps you should campaign for soundproof screens
rather than **** off you passengers - the people who pay
your wages.

No, the company pays my wages. The passengers rarely pay anything at all,
they just walk past with two fingers in the air saying "I ain't got no
money, **** off". Then they sit down and proceed to make endless phone
calls.

If you really find the chatter of your passengers such a
problem, perhaps you should get a new job. There aren't
any lighthouse keepers any more, but perhaps you could
herd sheep on some hillside miles for other people.

It's not chatter I mind, it's LOUD and PERSISTENT chatter. Shall I come
and sit in your office or living room for half an hour and make some phone
calls..? The bus is my workplace, it is my office in effect. I need to be
able to concentrate to work (drive) safely.

Ivor

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In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51
+0000 in uk.railway, "M. J. Powell" tapped out on
the keyboard:

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West
Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes
and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were
regularly vandalised.

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel
around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I
got hungry, I'd eat one !

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:50:38 +0000, Laurence Payne
wrote:

Funny how that sort of thing happens. Or how people like to say it
does :-)

No, it certainly does happen. I used to work on the train, and needed
some quiet.

After a few times of having to move away from the "quiet" coach for
some quiet I realised that all those people who are listening to their
walkman may be leaking "tsss tsss tsss" noises, but they aren't having
noisy conversations with one another.

And of course, if lots of people are talking, you have to talk louder
to be heard, and so on, till the quiet coach is a deafening hubbub.

--

Iain
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:37:35 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

No, the company pays my wages. The passengers rarely pay anything at all,

That's where you are wrong. Fares only provide a small part of the
revenue that pays for most bus services. The state pays for a huge
proportion, one way or another. Fares are really only there to
regulate demand.

they just walk past with two fingers in the air saying "I ain't got no
money, **** off". Then they sit down and proceed to make endless phone
calls.

So not only are you unable to concentrate on driving, but you are also
unable to do the rest of the job. You really ought to look for a
different job. Can't say I'd blame you. A bus driver round here just
walked off the job last month (or maybe it was the month before) after
doing the job for fourteen years. He'd just had enough of it.

It's not chatter I mind, it's LOUD and PERSISTENT chatter. Shall I come
and sit in your office or living room for half an hour and make some phone
calls..?

No. My workplace is arranged so that I can work effectively. If people
were disturbing me, I'd do something to stop it, whether by changing
the work environment or by changing their behaviour.

However, I'm known for being able to work steadily through all sorts
of distractions, so I doubt I'd care.

The bus is my workplace, it is my office in effect. I need to be
able to concentrate to work (drive) safely.

The terrible design of the bus is not the fault of your passengers.

I suggest you get a job driving a hearse.

--

Iain
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:31:55 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

A bad analogy, and you know it.

Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I don't see why people
should be allowed to do what they want in it.

It's your workplace, but not your office. Do try not to be silly.

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:43:41 GMT, Methusalah
wrote:

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel
around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I
got hungry, I'd eat one !

Careful. I think the RSPCA could get you retrospectively for that.
Note, no smiley. Sillier things happen.

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:10:33 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws.

Quite true, we don't. However, as long as some people insist on
behaving like spoiled brats than Nanny has to give them a smack
occasionaly.


So do you want nanny laws or not?

I want everyone to show consideration and respect for those around them.

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"Methusalah" wrote in message

In message on
Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51 +0000 in uk.railway, "M. J.
Powell" tapped out on the
keyboard:

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over
Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed
perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones.
And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly
vandalised.

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my
young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier
pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got
hungry, I'd eat one !

So what happened when you'd eaten the last pigeon and needed to send a
message..?!

Ivor

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"Laurence Payne"
wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:43:41 GMT, Methusalah
wrote:

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In
my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of
carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if
I got hungry, I'd eat one !

Careful. I think the RSPCA could get you retrospectively
for that. Note, no smiley. Sillier things happen.

Nothing illegal about eating pigeons, is there..? Pigeon pie, anyone..?

Ivor

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"Laurence Payne"
wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:31:55 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

A bad analogy, and you know it.

Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I
don't see why people should be allowed to do what they
want in it.

It's your workplace, but not your office. Do try not to
be silly.

It's where I do my work, it is effectively my office. And you didn't
answer the question. Why should people be allowed to do as they please on
someone else's property, be it a bus, office, train or public toilet for
that matter (the bus does resemble the latter at the end of a day with the
kids round here..!)

Ivor

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wrote in message

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:37:35 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote:

No, the company pays my wages. The passengers rarely
pay anything at all,

That's where you are wrong. Fares only provide a small
part of the revenue that pays for most bus services. The
state pays for a huge proportion, one way or another.
Fares are really only there to regulate demand.

If they don't pay, it makes no difference..!

they just walk past with two fingers in the air saying
"I ain't got no money, **** off". Then they sit down
and proceed to make endless phone calls.

So not only are you unable to concentrate on driving, but
you are also unable to do the rest of the job. You really
ought to look for a different job. Can't say I'd blame
you. A bus driver round here just walked off the job last
month (or maybe it was the month before) after doing the
job for fourteen years. He'd just had enough of it.

May I suggest you try concentrating on driving a 12 ton vehicle fully
loaded with 70+ people through a busy city centre while subject to
unnecessary noise and abuse..? Maybe you can, but I don't see why I should
have to.

Fares, well I'm sorry, but you're wrong there. It isn't my job to ensure
people pay, that's what inspectors are for. Unfortunately we rarely see
any. Before you question this, I should point out that the company
training school specifically instructs new drivers *not* to challenge
aggressive passengers, and to let them travel even if they refuse to pay.
The rationale (much as I deplore it, I do understand it) is that it is
cheaper to let them travel free than to have to pay a driver sick pay when
he's in hospital having been attacked.

Going OT a little more I'm afraid, let me illustrate the last point a
little further. A couple of years ago, a colleague of mine was driving the
last bus on a service, which was scheduled to terminate short of the
normal terminus, at a point considerably closer to the garage. This was
necessary due to the drivers hours regulations, if the service had
continued to the end (another hour's travel) the driver would have been
over his hours. Anyway, he reached the point where he came out of service,
at this point there were only three passengers left. They made no move to
get off, my mate told them that he was now coming out of service and they
would have to get off.

They refused, and became very aggressive, demanding to be taken to the
(normal) end of the route. When he again explained this was not possible,
and that the actual destination was in fact clearly displayed on the
destination blinds on the front of the vehicle, they broke down the cab
door (complete with its security screen), dragged him from his seat and
proceeded to beat seven bells out of him, leaving him with, amongst other
injuries, three broken ribs. He has not worked since. I should point out
that he was 6ft tall and built like a rugby player, it did him no good at
all.

Those are the sort of people I have to deal with, could you..?

It's not chatter I mind, it's LOUD and PERSISTENT
chatter. Shall I come and sit in your office or living
room for half an hour and make some phone calls..?

No. My workplace is arranged so that I can work
effectively. If people were disturbing me, I'd do
something to stop it, whether by changing the work
environment or by changing their behaviour.


Unfortunately I do not have that luxury.

However, I'm known for being able to work steadily
through all sorts of distractions, so I doubt I'd care.

You are lucky.

The bus is my workplace, it is my office in effect. I
need to be
able to concentrate to work (drive) safely.

The terrible design of the bus is not the fault of your
passengers.

Nor is it my fault. Making unnecessary noise is, however, something over
which the passengers do have control.

I suggest you get a job driving a hearse.

I can think of a few likely customers already ;-)

Ivor

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In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:17:47 -0000 in
uk.railway, "Ivor Jones" tapped out on the keyboard:



"Methusalah" wrote in message

In message on
Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51 +0000 in uk.railway, "M. J.
Powell" tapped out on the
keyboard:

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over
Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed
perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones.
And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly
vandalised.

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my
young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier
pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got
hungry, I'd eat one !

So what happened when you'd eaten the last pigeon and needed to send a
message..?!

Send smoke signals.

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"Methusalah" wrote in message
...
In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005
13:05:51
+0000 in uk.railway, "M. J. Powell" tapped out
on
the keyboard:

In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West
Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes
and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were
regularly vandalised.

Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd
travel
around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base.
And if I
got hungry, I'd eat one !

Speckled Jim?!?!?!
: )

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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 14:02:52 on
Thu, 17 Nov 2005, d remarked:

I don't care what people do on trains/busses/in public as long as it
doesn't affect other people. As soon as that happens, the perpetrator
has over-stepped the mark, and should stop.

So if someone insists on silence, and that affects someone who has an
important phone call to make...

Get up, walk to the vestibule, and make your call from there. This is not
rocket science.

tom

--
science fiction, old TV shows, sports, food, New York City topography,
and golden age hiphop

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Tom Anderson wrote:
Get up, walk to the vestibule, and make your call from there. This is not
rocket science.

But if you're the sort of person who likes to pace up and down
while talking on the phone, please try not to set off the automatic
door each time you pass it...

Adam

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:10:14 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

So do you want nanny laws or not?

I want everyone to show consideration and respect for those around them.

Of course. Now answer the question.

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In message , at
23:17:51 on Fri, 18 Nov 2005, Tom Anderson
remarked:
I don't care what people do on trains/busses/in public as long as it
doesn't affect other people. As soon as that happens, the
perpetrator has over-stepped the mark, and should stop.

So if someone insists on silence, and that affects someone who has an
important phone call to make...

Get up, walk to the vestibule, and make your call from there. This is
not rocket science.

We then have the situation that what one person does (insist on quiet)
affects other people (who have to move to the vestibule).

But as a way to make a call with less impact on one's fellow travellers
(and I'd always want people to minimise the impact) it will indeed work
on *some* trains.

It's a poor choice in something like an HST because the vestibules are
very noisy, and impossible in most modern EMU/DMU because they don't
have vestibules in the sense you probably mean. And there are issues
related to leaving ones seat (with or without possessions left behind)
and if the train is full and standing, moving around it may not be an
option.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 23:23:07 on Fri, 18 Nov 2005,
A Woodcraft remarked:
Get up, walk to the vestibule, and make your call from there. This is not
rocket science.

But if you're the sort of person who likes to pace up and down
while talking on the phone, please try not to set off the automatic
door each time you pass it...

The HST I was on the other evening had a door with a hair trigger. It
continuously slammed open and closed (much faster than I had previously
noticed possible) every time anyone was stood with a few feet of it
anywhere in the vestibule.
--
Roland Perry

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:10:14 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

So do you want nanny laws or not?

I want everyone to show consideration and respect for those around
them.

Of course. Now answer the question.

If people were to show consideration and respect for those around them not
only would new nanny laws not be needed, but many existing restrictions
could be removed.

The direct answer to your question that as long as some people make life
unpleasant for others then I will tolerate nanny laws since I'm not one of
those who is being restricted.

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In message , at
08:20:13 on Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Brimstone
remarked:
The direct answer to your question that as long as some people make life
unpleasant for others then I will tolerate nanny laws since I'm not one of
those who is being restricted.

....yet
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
08:20:13 on Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Brimstone
remarked:
The direct answer to your question that as long as some people make
life unpleasant for others then I will tolerate nanny laws since I'm
not one of those who is being restricted.

...yet

Since none of my activities (nor those of milions of others) make life
unpleasant for others it's not going to happen.

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"Stephen (Sausagefans.com)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
I have a proposal for dealing with (punishing) people who make loud
business phone calls on trains (or any other public transport). ("I'm
on the train ... buy! ... sell!")

Record the calls or make some note, especially if there's anything
that sounds confidential, and publish transcripts or summaries on the
web or a newsgroup.

Tell them the volumn of their call is bothering you and could they keep
it down?

I had a group on schoolchildren sitting behind me on Thursday and one of
them had an MP3 player pumpin' out some dread riffin' at a loud volume.

Fortunately, I had my new Bliss album recorded on my phone and was able to
humiliate him into submission. Stress over.

;-)

--
Brian
"Anyway, if you have been, thanks for listening."

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:20:13 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

The direct answer to your question that as long as some people make life
unpleasant for others then I will tolerate nanny laws since I'm not one of
those who is being restricted.

Lucky you're perfect then :-)

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:42:42 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote:

Since none of my activities (nor those of milions of others) make life
unpleasant for others it's not going to happen.

Nanny laws are a very slippery slope.