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In message , Laurence Payne
writes There was a time when you could say "I'm not ruining my front door by cutting out a letter-box!". Several years ago I leafletted this village for the Parish Council. I was very surprised to find how many modern houses had front doors without a letter-box. Mike -- M.J.Powell |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:15:20 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: It's all about reasonableness. I have no time for the people with silly ring tones (someone on the train yesterday had one which shouted "answer the phone!" over and over again) or with those who conduct one-sided conversations as if they were speaking at a public meeting. Nevertheless, it's galling for those of us who do know that we can talk quietly and still be heard the other end, to be prevented from doing so by "one size fits all" rules. My ring tone plays "Nellie the Elephant". Do you find that acceptable? (Actually, if you don't, tough ****.) Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws. Quite true, we don't. However, as long as some people insist on behaving like spoiled brats than Nanny has to give them a smack occasionaly. |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:10:33 +0000 (UTC), "Brimstone"
wrote: Agreed, we don't need more "nanny" laws. Quite true, we don't. However, as long as some people insist on behaving like spoiled brats than Nanny has to give them a smack occasionaly. So do you want nanny laws or not? |
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In message , at 13:05:51 on Fri,
18 Nov 2005, M. J. Powell remarked: What, I hear you ask, would I have done before the days of mobile phones? I've had one since 1988, so we are going back a fair way, but the answer is that I employed a fulltime secretary to organise such things for me when I was otherwise uncontactable, and whose job it was to make sure that when I went out she knew the landline numbers of everywhere I was likely to be (and the names of the secretaries of all the people I was visiting). In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly vandalised. I managed too, but with support (as I described) and the level of demand from outside the organisation was lower, too. What's increased over the years is people's expectations. A trivial example: I've replied to your posting within half an hour of it propagating. In those days you'd have been lucky to have email at all, or expect a response in less than a few days. -- Roland Perry |
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![]() "Laurence Payne" wrote in message On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:35:08 -0000, "Ivor Jones" wrote: Or they go elsewhere. It's a privilege to have employment now. Let us get on with it. How did you ever manage in business before mobile phones were invented, "dear"..? How did you make a living before 'busses were invented? I wasn't born, perhaps you were, I don't know. Anyway, to get back to trains, I worked for BR for 15 years, although not on trains. There was a time when you could say "I'm not ruining my front door by cutting out a letter-box!". When you could say "I refuse to install a 'phone! If they want me, let them write!". When not having an answering machine, a fax, email were possible options. When you could say "I'm traveling today. I'll be out of touch for several hours!". None of these are currently possible. Tough, ain't it? All of them are possible, what makes you say they're not..? Incidentally, my living is driving buses, I don't see why I should spend my entire working day subjected to other people's noisy conversations. Or shall I come and park myself in your office all day and make phone calls..? A bad analogy, and you know it. Not so. My bus is my workplace, it is my office. I don't see why people should be allowed to do what they want in it. Ivor |
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![]() "M. J. Powell" wrote in message In message , Laurence Payne writes There was a time when you could say "I'm not ruining my front door by cutting out a letter-box!". Several years ago I leafletted this village for the Parish Council. I was very surprised to find how many modern houses had front doors without a letter-box. I did a stint as a temporary postman a while back, while between jobs. It was amazing how many doors had either no letterbox at all or one you could hardly get a postcard through. Ivor |
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![]() wrote in message On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:35:08 -0000, "Ivor Jones" wrote: Incidentally, my living is driving buses, I don't see why I should spend my entire working day subjected to other people's noisy conversations What makes you think you have any business doing that? What do you think people did before buses were invented? Walked..? Works both ways, doesn't it? If people want to use your bus, why shouldn't they? If they want to talk to people on the next seat, or on the phone, why shouldn't they? Because it's disturbing to others. Also a loud voice can be distracting to driving, especially in a busy city centre. Of course, buses used to have the driver kept separate in a driving cab, deafened by the roar of the engine. But the drive to cut the cost of the conductor put paid to that. Perhaps you should campaign for soundproof screens rather than **** off you passengers - the people who pay your wages. No, the company pays my wages. The passengers rarely pay anything at all, they just walk past with two fingers in the air saying "I ain't got no money, **** off". Then they sit down and proceed to make endless phone calls. If you really find the chatter of your passengers such a problem, perhaps you should get a new job. There aren't any lighthouse keepers any more, but perhaps you could herd sheep on some hillside miles for other people. It's not chatter I mind, it's LOUD and PERSISTENT chatter. Shall I come and sit in your office or living room for half an hour and make some phone calls..? The bus is my workplace, it is my office in effect. I need to be able to concentrate to work (drive) safely. Ivor |
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In message on Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:51
+0000 in uk.railway, "M. J. Powell" tapped out on the keyboard: In the days before mobile phones I travelled all over Wales and the West Country organising OBs. I managed perfectly well with telephone boxes and hotel phones. And those were the days when phone boxes were regularly vandalised. Telephones ? You don't know you were ever born ! In my young days, I'd travel around with a supply of carrier pigeons to send messages back to base. And if I got hungry, I'd eat one ! |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:50:38 +0000, Laurence Payne
wrote: Funny how that sort of thing happens. Or how people like to say it does :-) No, it certainly does happen. I used to work on the train, and needed some quiet. After a few times of having to move away from the "quiet" coach for some quiet I realised that all those people who are listening to their walkman may be leaking "tsss tsss tsss" noises, but they aren't having noisy conversations with one another. And of course, if lots of people are talking, you have to talk louder to be heard, and so on, till the quiet coach is a deafening hubbub. -- Iain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:37:35 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
wrote: No, the company pays my wages. The passengers rarely pay anything at all, That's where you are wrong. Fares only provide a small part of the revenue that pays for most bus services. The state pays for a huge proportion, one way or another. Fares are really only there to regulate demand. they just walk past with two fingers in the air saying "I ain't got no money, **** off". Then they sit down and proceed to make endless phone calls. So not only are you unable to concentrate on driving, but you are also unable to do the rest of the job. You really ought to look for a different job. Can't say I'd blame you. A bus driver round here just walked off the job last month (or maybe it was the month before) after doing the job for fourteen years. He'd just had enough of it. It's not chatter I mind, it's LOUD and PERSISTENT chatter. Shall I come and sit in your office or living room for half an hour and make some phone calls..? No. My workplace is arranged so that I can work effectively. If people were disturbing me, I'd do something to stop it, whether by changing the work environment or by changing their behaviour. However, I'm known for being able to work steadily through all sorts of distractions, so I doubt I'd care. The bus is my workplace, it is my office in effect. I need to be able to concentrate to work (drive) safely. The terrible design of the bus is not the fault of your passengers. I suggest you get a job driving a hearse. -- Iain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! |
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