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Hi,
Once again there were no staff on the East Putney gateline @ 1530ish yesterday. And once again, all the ticket gates were closed (including the side gate) despite there being a sign saying that people could pay at their destination due to the ticket office being closed. As I have said before, the information button doesn't seem to connect in these situations. Which of the following would get me in the least trouble if I got stuck in the station due to this (and my paper ticket not working)... a) Climbing over gate b) Pushing the emergency open button c) Returning to a platform and attracting the attention of the next driver d) Kicking a gate hard to try and open it |
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![]() Chris! wrote: Hi, Once again there were no staff on the East Putney gateline @ 1530ish yesterday. And once again, all the ticket gates were closed (including the side gate) despite there being a sign saying that people could pay at their destination due to the ticket office being closed. As I have said before, the information button doesn't seem to connect in these situations. Which of the following would get me in the least trouble if I got stuck in the station due to this (and my paper ticket not working)... a) Climbing over gate b) Pushing the emergency open button c) Returning to a platform and attracting the attention of the next driver d) Kicking a gate hard to try and open it I took LUL to task on more than one occasion after they left the gates at Brent Cross shut when the booking office was not open. LUL never once got back to me regarding the complaints that I had made regarding the clear breach of safety regulations. That was before 7/7 so I hope that they have now got their act together and don't ever leave the gates shut when there is nobody to offer assistance. Kevin |
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![]() Which of the following would get me in the least trouble if I got stuck in the station due to this (and my paper ticket not working)... b) Pushing the emergency open button I'd go for this one, and have done on several occasions. The louder the noise it makes, the better. You'll also find that several people will follow you through when opened, and any RPI who turns up is going to have to contend with lots of people rather than just one. Of course, if you haven't got a ticket then, when you do get through, you must at least attempt to seek-out a persun who will accept your payment. Richard [in PE12] |
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![]() "Paul Cummins" wrote in message .. . In article . com, (Chris!) wrote: b) Pushing the emergency open button IT's a legal requirement that the gate line be manned - I'd use the emergency button. Not technically correct. It's a requirement for the gates to be monitored, which can be remotely, and the emergency plunger activated. |
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![]() Robin Mayes wrote: "Paul Cummins" wrote in message .. . In article . com, (Chris!) wrote: b) Pushing the emergency open button IT's a legal requirement that the gate line be manned - I'd use the emergency button. Not technically correct. It's a requirement for the gates to be monitored, which can be remotely, and the emergency plunger activated. Well they obviously aren't being monitored remotely which a breach of health & safety. If they were being monitored remotely why are passengers having to vault the closed gates or force them open to get out of a station. Sounds like a bull**** excuse by LUL. Kevin |
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Someone must be within 5 seconds of an emergency plunger. If they aren't
watching the gateline they should be open. If you plunge it will be noticed in many places and questions will be asked. I'd plunge. Mal wrote in message oups.com... Robin Mayes wrote: "Paul Cummins" wrote in message .. . In article . com, (Chris!) wrote: b) Pushing the emergency open button IT's a legal requirement that the gate line be manned - I'd use the emergency button. Not technically correct. It's a requirement for the gates to be monitored, which can be remotely, and the emergency plunger activated. Well they obviously aren't being monitored remotely which a breach of health & safety. If they were being monitored remotely why are passengers having to vault the closed gates or force them open to get out of a station. Sounds like a bull**** excuse by LUL. Kevin |
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Mal wrote:
IT's a legal requirement that the gate line be manned - I'd use the emergency button. Not technically correct. It's a requirement for the gates to be monitored, which can be remotely, and the emergency plunger activated. Hi, I've noted this gate manning issue before (although it didn't seem too well enforced at Stamford Brook in the evenings that I could *see*) but am a little confused by the real issue. Do the gates need to be manned? Having moved to New York this summer, I am interested that despite being a daily commuter I've not spoken to one member of MTA staff and apart from a few ticket clerks (with big signs listing the tickets one has to buy from the machine--which is pretty much all of them!) in their cubicles, the subway seems to run fine without all the gate line staff milling around. Indeed, as a fairly regular tourist to New York I had the view that the tube was a much better, safer, cleaner, more efficient mode than the NYC subway, but I have to say my 25 minute daily commute on the 1 line from the Village to the UWS is a pleasure and we seem to manage fine without any gate line staff (next train departure boards would be nice though.) So my question is, is the MTA putting its passengers in danger, or are the gates of the NYC system very different from London's (they appear more dangerous to me, but beyond cries of "health and safety" I am unsure exactly what the argument for the gateline staff is anyway), or are these "health and safety" reasons for manning gatelines actually a very expensive policy decision with little benefit to passengers or the commerical operator? Any expert knowledge welcomed, Tom -- T.S.Cordiner Columbia University, New York City. |
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T.S. Cordiner wrote in
: I am unsure exactly what the argument for the gateline staff is anyway One very important function that gateline staff perform is letting out passengers whose tickets refuse to open the gates. Almost every time I go up to London, I find that somewhere during my travels around the underground I'll encounter a station whose gates won't recognise my ticket, either on entry or else on exit. And we'll have no jokes about the effect of my magnetic personality on the magnetic stripe on the ticket ;-) |
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