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Met line - Watford - Saturday?
Does the Met line run to Watford on Saturday? I can't work this out on
the TFL site. If not, what's the fastest way of getting there from the City area (ie Moorgate)? thx marc |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
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they were saying : Does the Met line run to Watford on Saturday? Yes. |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
marcb wrote:
Does the Met line run to Watford on Saturday? I can't work this out on the TFL site. If not, what's the fastest way of getting there from the City area (ie Moorgate)? Bear in mind that Watford tube station is not near the town centre or the fastest way to get to Watford from the city. You may find the train service from Euston to Watford Junction a better choice. David. |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
"David Sullivan" typed
Bear in mind that Watford tube station is not near the town centre or the fastest way to get to Watford from the city. You may find the train service from Euston to Watford Junction a better choice. Agreed. David. The bus services to Watford Junction are not quick but they are cheaper and go through central Watford. There's the 142 from Edgware and the 258 from Harrow. One Day Travelcards are valid all the way... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:33:04 +0000 (UTC), marcb
wrote: Does the Met line run to Watford on Saturday? I can't work this out on the TFL site. Yes, but only from Baker Street. The joint Circle/Met/H&C section between Baker Street and Liverpool Street is closed. If not, what's the fastest way of getting there from the City area (ie Moorgate)? Central line from Bank to Oxford Circus; Bakerloo to Baker Street; Met to Watford. Or (depending what part of Watford you want to go to): Northern line to Euston; fast train to Watford Junction. (Optional: local train from Watford Junction to Watford High Street.) |
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In message , marcb
writes Does the Met line run to Watford on Saturday? I can't work this out on the TFL site. Yes (from Baker Street). If not, what's the fastest way of getting there from the City area (ie Moorgate)? There's no tube service between the city and Baker Street this weekend. Circle/Bakerloo would get you to Baker Street, but mainline from Euston is almost always going to be faster (14 mins on the fastest service). -- Paul Terry |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
marcb wrote:
Does the Met line run to Watford on Saturday? I can't work this out on the TFL site. Yes it does. There's nothing restricted about its times of operations (like, say, Shoreditch, Chancery Lane). It may have skewed starting and finishing times wrt other lines/stations, but it certainly isn't "weekdays only". If not, what's the fastest way of getting there from the City area (ie Moorgate)? I don't know whether there's a continuous service from Moorgate to Watford, but you can certainly get there by changing at Baker Street, HOTH, Moor Park, in various combinations. I don't think Watford is served by express services from London; you might be better off getting an Amersham/Chesham service and jumping off at Moor Park. However, there are serious platform predictability problems at Moor Park. Watford Metropolitan Station is some distance from the center of Watford: you might be better off going to Watford Junction, which can be reached as an "extension" of the Bakerloo Line, or from Euston (local DC and fast). Moorgate - Euston Square - Euston - WJ might be the best way. Richard [in PE12] |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
Endymion Ponsonby-Withermoor III wrote:
marcb wrote: Does the Met line run to Watford on Saturday? I can't work this out on the TFL site. Yes it does. There's nothing restricted about its times of operations (like, say, Shoreditch, Chancery Lane). It may have skewed starting and finishing times wrt other lines/stations, but it certainly isn't "weekdays only". If not, what's the fastest way of getting there from the City area (ie Moorgate)? I don't know whether there's a continuous service from Moorgate to Watford, but you can certainly get there by changing at Baker Street, HOTH, Moor Park, in various combinations. I don't think Watford is served by express services from London; you might be better off getting an Amersham/Chesham service and jumping off at Moor Park. However, there are serious platform predictability problems at Moor Park. Watford Metropolitan Station is some distance from the center of Watford: you might be better off going to Watford Junction, which can be reached as an "extension" of the Bakerloo Line, or from Euston (local DC and fast). Moorgate - Euston Square - Euston - WJ might be the best way. Richard [in PE12] Thanks for all the info. In the end we went North London Line Dalston Kingsland to Willesden Junction, then north to Watford High Street. A lot of stops, but slow and sure. And Brighton got a point at Watford. M. |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
marcb typed
In the end we went North London Line Dalston Kingsland to Willesden Junction, then north to Watford High Street. A lot of stops, but slow and sure. And Brighton got a point at Watford. Watford High Street is nice and close, but the 142 and 258 buses pass Vicarage Road... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
marcb typed In the end we went North London Line Dalston Kingsland to Willesden Junction, then north to Watford High Street. A lot of stops, but slow and sure. And Brighton got a point at Watford. Watford High Street is nice and close, but the 142 and 258 buses pass Vicarage Road... -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. Well, the walk was an easy one. The stations on the line (esp Watford High Street) look pretty dismal though. M. |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
Well, the walk was an easy one. The stations on the line (esp Watford High
Street) look pretty dismal though. Indeed. I've often paid extra to goto Watford J instead (and walked back to town) in order to avoid WHS. This station had "Paddington" spray-painted onto one of its outer walls for twenty years, before someone managed to clean it off ! Richard [in PE12] |
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asdf wrote:
Incidentally, it was mentioned in uk.railway the other day that TfL plan to restore the Bakerloo service to Watford Junction in 2010. When was the Bakerloo service to Watford J ended ? 1982 wasn't it ? Is there really any market for an all-stations from Elephant and Castle to Watford Junction ? It seems a heck of a long way for a local service. Wouldn't it be quicker to go from anywhere from Regent's Park to E+C to Euston by conventional means, and then get the fast service from Euston ? Richard [in PE12] |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:52:45 +0000 (UTC), marcb
wrote: Well, the walk was an easy one. The stations on the line (esp Watford High Street) look pretty dismal though. I wonder if Silverlink not doing anything to make their trains/stations more attractive is because the trains are already crammed in the peaks, so there's no point doing anything that might draw more passengers? Incidentally, it was mentioned in uk.railway the other day that TfL plan to restore the Bakerloo service to Watford Junction in 2010. Service will be 6tph, with the extra trains required being provided by '67 stock coming off the Vic. So expect station improvements around then. (No word on what will happen to the Euston service, but at a guess it will be cut back to peak hours only if not axed completely.) |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:44:46 +0000, asdf
wrote: On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:52:45 +0000 (UTC), marcb wrote: Well, the walk was an easy one. The stations on the line (esp Watford High Street) look pretty dismal though. I wonder if Silverlink not doing anything to make their trains/stations more attractive is because the trains are already crammed in the peaks, so there's no point doing anything that might draw more passengers? I think there are a couple of other issues - one is that they have only a short time left on the franchise. The second is that I suspect the current franchise did not fund any sort of substantial improvement to what are really very big and old station structures which are way out of proportion to the use made of them. Finally what improvements there have been have been funded by TfL so if you can raid someone else's piggy bank you're not going to spend your own cash when you can give to the shareholders. Incidentally, it was mentioned in uk.railway the other day that TfL plan to restore the Bakerloo service to Watford Junction in 2010. Service will be 6tph, with the extra trains required being provided by '67 stock coming off the Vic. So expect station improvements around then. (No word on what will happen to the Euston service, but at a guess it will be cut back to peak hours only if not axed completely.) This is in the latest Modern Railways and is tied in with TfL being given the Silverlink Metro franchise to manage by the DfT. If DfT agree I think you will see a lot of interesting things emerging. The envisaged eventual service pattern across the WLL, NLL and GOBLIN is most intriguing. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
... This is in the latest Modern Railways and is tied in with TfL being given the Silverlink Metro franchise to manage by the DfT. If DfT agree I think you will see a lot of interesting things emerging. The envisaged eventual service pattern across the WLL, NLL and GOBLIN is most intriguing. What did they suggest, and where did the suggestion emerge from? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
John Rowland wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message This is in the latest Modern Railways and is tied in with TfL being given the Silverlink Metro franchise to manage by the DfT. If DfT agree I think you will see a lot of interesting things emerging. The envisaged eventual service pattern across the WLL, NLL and GOBLIN is most intriguing. What did they suggest, and where did the suggestion emerge from? - 4tph Richmond to Stratford via NLL and Clapham Junction and 4tph Clapham Junction to Stratford via WLL and NLL; 8tph between Kensal Rise and Stratford - removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL by upgrading alternate routes - OHLE on the GoBLin, allowing through electric freight services from the LT&SR to the WCML - 6tph Bakerloo service to Watford Junction The resulting service pattern is hoped to be: 4tph Richmond to Stratford 4tph Clapham Junction to Stratford 2tph Queens Park to Stratford via Primrose Hill and Camden Road 2tph Clapham Junction to Barking 6tph Queens Park to Watford Junction yielding 10tph between Willesden Junction and Stratford, with 2tph turning left at Gospel Oak and 2tph merging from the right at Camden Road. Throw in a reopened Primrose Hill NLR, a reopened Tufnell Park NLR, a reopened York Way NLR, a _sensible_ re-zoning in the Hampstead area and TfL London Rail would be sitting on a high-capacity diversionary route that provides onward links between the GWML, WCML and SW Reading lines and the MML, ECML, GEML and Stratford City, without going through Zone 1. My question though is how they're going to fit 10tph, some of it longish electric through freight, on the Gospel Oak - Willesden corridor? That section was never blessed with four-tracking... (Info taken from "All change at Silverlink Metro", Modern Railways, December 2005). |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
In article eranews.com,
Endymion Ponsonby-Withermoor III wrote: Indeed. I've often paid extra to goto Watford J instead (and walked back to town) in order to avoid WHS. This station had "Paddington" spray-painted onto one of its outer walls for twenty years, before someone managed to clean it off ! Obviously one of the Master's more outlying works ... Nick -- http://www.leverton.org/ ... So express yourself |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
"TheOneKEA" wrote in message oups.com... John Rowland wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote in message This is in the latest Modern Railways and is tied in with TfL being given the Silverlink Metro franchise to manage by the DfT. If DfT agree I think you will see a lot of interesting things emerging. The envisaged eventual service pattern across the WLL, NLL and GOBLIN is most intriguing. What did they suggest, and where did the suggestion emerge from? - 4tph Richmond to Stratford via NLL and Clapham Junction and 4tph Clapham Junction to Stratford via WLL and NLL; 8tph between Kensal Rise and Stratford - removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL by upgrading alternate routes - OHLE on the GoBLin, allowing through electric freight services from the LT&SR to the WCML - 6tph Bakerloo service to Watford Junction The resulting service pattern is hoped to be: 4tph Richmond to Stratford 4tph Clapham Junction to Stratford 2tph Queens Park to Stratford via Primrose Hill and Camden Road 2tph Clapham Junction to Barking 6tph Queens Park to Watford Junction I think you've made a typo here.... I've just had a look at the article in Modern Railways, and it only has 2tph running Clapham Junction to Stratford, therefore giving 8tph from Willesden Junction to Stratford, not 10. |
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Met line - Watford - Saturday?
On 5 Dec 2005 15:11:04 -0800, "TheOneKEA" wrote:
The resulting service pattern is hoped to be: 4tph Richmond to Stratford 4tph Clapham Junction to Stratford 2tph Queens Park to Stratford via Primrose Hill and Camden Road 2tph Clapham Junction to Barking 6tph Queens Park to Watford Junction It's good that there's going to be through service onto the GOBLIN from the likes of Willesden Junction and West Hampstead. At the moment you have to wait around at Gospel Oak while changing trains, and worry about being stranded there for 30 mins if a train is cancelled or your NLL train is delayed and misses the connection. Throw in a reopened Primrose Hill NLR, a reopened Tufnell Park NLR, a reopened York Way NLR, Are these planned, or just wishful thinking? (Even if the latter, Primrose Hill at least seems extremely likely.) Incidentally, I've noticed that one of the Bakerloo line diagrams at Baker Street (there are probably plenty of others) is old enough to still show it going all the way to Watford Junction, with a panel covering everything north of Harrow & Wealdstone. I'm already wondering if they'll simply remove the panel, rather than performing a blanket replacement of all the diagrams on the line... |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article .com, (TheOneKEA) wrote: John Rowland wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote in message This is in the latest Modern Railways and is tied in with TfL being given the Silverlink Metro franchise to manage by the DfT. If DfT agree I think you will see a lot of interesting things emerging. The envisaged eventual service pattern across the WLL, NLL and GOBLIN is most intriguing. What did they suggest, and where did the suggestion emerge from? - 4tph Richmond to Stratford via NLL and Clapham Junction and 4tph Clapham Junction to Stratford via WLL and NLL; 8tph between Kensal Rise and Stratford - removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL by upgrading alternate routes - OHLE on the GoBLin, allowing through electric freight services from the LT&SR to the WCML - 6tph Bakerloo service to Watford Junction The resulting service pattern is hoped to be: 4tph Richmond to Stratford 4tph Clapham Junction to Stratford 2tph Queens Park to Stratford via Primrose Hill and Camden Road 2tph Clapham Junction to Barking 6tph Queens Park to Watford Junction yielding 10tph between Willesden Junction and Stratford, with 2tph turning left at Gospel Oak and 2tph merging from the right at Camden Road. Throw in a reopened Primrose Hill NLR, a reopened Tufnell Park NLR, a reopened York Way NLR, a _sensible_ re-zoning in the Hampstead area and TfL London Rail would be sitting on a high-capacity diversionary route that provides onward links between the GWML, WCML and SW Reading lines and the MML, ECML, GEML and Stratford City, without going through Zone 1. My question though is how they're going to fit 10tph, some of it longish electric through freight, on the Gospel Oak - Willesden corridor? That section was never blessed with four-tracking... (Info taken from "All change at Silverlink Metro", Modern Railways, December 2005). 5000 extra lorries on the A14 past Cambridge. :-((( 5000 per what period of time? I forget. And why does that follow from the previous post? Blocking the W10 gauge container train route from Felixstowe to the West Midlands will case massive diversion to road onto the trunk road which already has one of the highest proportions of lorries on one of the busiest roads in the country. It says "removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL *by upgrading alternate routes*". -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Blocking the W10 gauge container train route from Felixstowe to the West Midlands will case massive diversion to road onto the trunk road which already has one of the highest proportions of lorries on one of the busiest roads in the country. It says "removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL *by upgrading alternate routes*". But are there alternative routes to the WCML that entirely avoid the NLL? Hmm, I see what you mean. How about Felixtowe-Bury St Edmunds-Ely-Peterborough-Leicester-Nuneaton? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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asdf wrote:
Are these planned, or just wishful thinking? (Even if the latter, Primrose Hill at least seems extremely likely.) York Way might happen if York Road LER was reopened. Islington Council wants Tufnell Park reopened, and seeing as how Primrose Hill is mostly intact, that one would seem to be simple... |
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lid (asdf) wrote: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: Blocking the W10 gauge container train route from Felixstowe to the West Midlands will case massive diversion to road onto the trunk road which already has one of the highest proportions of lorries on one of the busiest roads in the country. It says "removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL *by upgrading alternate routes*". But are there alternative routes to the WCML that entirely avoid the NLL? What happened to that idea floating around a while back about building a "freight focused route" across London, via the GOBLIN? Has it completely disappeared? Doesn't that still need the NLL to link to the WCML? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
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(Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Blocking the W10 gauge container train route from Felixstowe to the West Midlands will case massive diversion to road onto the trunk road which already has one of the highest proportions of lorries on one of the busiest roads in the country. It says "removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL *by upgrading alternate routes*". But are there alternative routes to the WCML that entirely avoid the NLL? Hmm, I see what you mean. How about Felixtowe-Bury St Edmunds-Ely-Peterborough-Leicester-Nuneaton? Ho, ho! No electrification for starters nor any prospect of it. No W10 gauge, not even to Peterborough, and a highly congested route, particularly the single track section between Soham and Ely where existing freight traffic is already limiting passenger aspirations. This section has always been single track so doubling would be a challenge to say the least. Enlarging Manton Tunnel (between Peterborough and Leicester) to W10 gauge could also be "interesting". Then there are all the conflicting moves crossing the MML both North and South of Leicester. Then you can have fun and games crossing the WCML on the flat at Nuneaton, once connections there have been restored at all. All in all, one sees why freight interests are so concerned about Crossrail and the Mayor's plans. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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lid (asdf) wrote: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:28 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: Blocking the W10 gauge container train route from Felixstowe to the West Midlands will case massive diversion to road onto the trunk road which already has one of the highest proportions of lorries on one of the busiest roads in the country. It says "removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL *by upgrading alternate routes*". But are there alternative routes to the WCML that entirely avoid the NLL? What happened to that idea floating around a while back about building a "freight focused route" across London, via the GOBLIN? Has it completely disappeared? Doesn't that still need the NLL to link to the WCML? IIRC it would have featured a tunnel from the western end of the GOBLIN to somewhere like Primrose Hill, thus avoiding the NLL. Good grief! How much would that have cost? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Met line - Watford - Saturday?
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Blocking the W10 gauge container train route from Felixstowe to the West Midlands will case massive diversion to road onto the trunk road which already has one of the highest proportions of lorries on one of the busiest roads in the country. It says "removal of 9'6" freight from the NLL *by upgrading alternate routes*". But are there alternative routes to the WCML that entirely avoid the NLL? Hmm, I see what you mean. How about Felixtowe-Bury St Edmunds-Ely-Peterborough-Leicester-Nuneaton? Ho, ho! Er, haven't the powers that be, or variously were, been seriously considering exactly this - 'Felixstowe to Nuneaton', or F2N - for many years now? The route needs work, but it's not completely ludicrous. Did anyone ever figure out why four-tracking the NLL wasn't an option? tom -- As Emiliano Zapata supposedly said, "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees." And years after he died, Marlon Brando played him in a movie. So just think, if you unionize, Marlon Brando might play YOU in a movie. Even though he's dead. -- ChrisV82 |
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