Tube strike 31st Dec
 

Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

"elyob" wrote in message
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Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?



Certainly make the current dispute high profile!

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

Robin Mayes wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message
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Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get
the respect of the general public?

Certainly make the current dispute high profile!

Perhaps you can explain what this current dispute is all about, as the
LU and RMT statements taken together don't add up. The RMT talks about
hundreds of "displacement notices", which I assume are notices telling
staff that they are being moved to different jobs. I can understand the
union being annoyed (but not to the extent of calling a strike on New
Year's Eve) if this has been done without full consultation, but the
primary reason for the strike is allegedly because the staff movements
constitute "a massive cull of safety-critical front-line staff".

But LU say that there will be no overall cut in staff numbers, and that
some staff are "being redeployed from ticket offices to station
platforms and ticket halls, which can also boost reassurance for our
passengers and security". So what are these safety-critical front-line
jobs that the RMT says are being withdrawn?

http://www.rmt.org.uk/C2B/PressOffic...ID=1807&Type=2
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...t.asp?prID=633

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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elyob wrote:
Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?

I don't think the general "mustn't-grumble public will really give a
stuff, will it? It would take a massive disaster on unprecented levels
- such as the death of many ten thousands of londoners through
terrorism - for them to do anything more than scratch their arses and
really make some permanent changes. After all, they did things like
vote Labour and Ken Livingston *recreationally*. They'll grumble about
this, and then just ignore it. (Or do like me, and leave altogether.)

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

Andrew Thomas wrote:
elyob wrote:
Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?

I don't think the general "mustn't-grumble public will really give a
stuff, will it? It would take a massive disaster on unprecented levels
- such as the death of many ten thousands of londoners through
terrorism - for them to do anything more than scratch their arses and
really make some permanent changes

I don't see how striking *against* having *more* staff visible on
platforms is going to do anything to stop the deaths of londoners from
terrorism. Can you explain that to me?

Is the strike maybe because ex ticket office staff might have to go
outside onto the cold platform and help people? That may be a valid
thing to be unhappy about, but not something to have a strike over
"safety" about!

I'm glad I cycle now

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

Where is Boltar?????

Mal

"Chris!" wrote in message
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Andrew Thomas wrote:
elyob wrote:
Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?

I don't think the general "mustn't-grumble public will really give a
stuff, will it? It would take a massive disaster on unprecented levels
- such as the death of many ten thousands of londoners through
terrorism - for them to do anything more than scratch their arses and
really make some permanent changes

I don't see how striking *against* having *more* staff visible on
platforms is going to do anything to stop the deaths of londoners from
terrorism. Can you explain that to me?

Is the strike maybe because ex ticket office staff might have to go
outside onto the cold platform and help people? That may be a valid
thing to be unhappy about, but not something to have a strike over
"safety" about!

I'm glad I cycle now

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

Chris! wrote:

I don't see how striking *against* having *more* staff visible on
platforms is going to do anything to stop the deaths of londoners from
terrorism. Can you explain that to me?

That's what I was thinking. A strike about the redeployments because
staff don't want a longer commute or to be redeployed to different
roles is one thing, and may or may not be justified. I cannot see how
the number of ticket office staff is in any way related to safety;
indeed, many underground systems worldwide don't *have* ticket offices
at all. I therefore get the feeling they are very much making the
wrong call with this one, and are diluting the "safety" card rather
than saving it for when it is really needed.

Neil

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"Neil Williams" wrote in message
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Chris! wrote:

I don't see how striking *against* having *more* staff visible on
platforms is going to do anything to stop the deaths of londoners from
terrorism. Can you explain that to me?

That's what I was thinking. A strike about the redeployments because
staff don't want a longer commute or to be redeployed to different
roles is one thing, and may or may not be justified. I cannot see how
the number of ticket office staff is in any way related to safety;
indeed, many underground systems worldwide don't *have* ticket offices
at all. I therefore get the feeling they are very much making the
wrong call with this one, and are diluting the "safety" card rather
than saving it for when it is really needed.

They have to call it, though, as the RMT agreed to LU's actions, only now
they're having second thoughts, so they just all start crying "safety! ooh
safety!" and go home early.

Neil

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Mal wrote:
Where is Boltar?????

Didn't see the point on commenting on it. Everyone knows my views and
if I posted what I really thought about Bob Crowe and his performing
monkey Bobby Law I'd probably be done for libel.

Suffice to say it seems to me that the sort of people who join the RMT
are nothing but whinging work shy scum who are quite happy to shaft
everyone to get what they want. A dose of the real world instead of
their cosy unionised protectorate where theres always someone to
pick up the toys they throw out of their ptam would be one hell of
an eye opener for them. I'll be moving offices next year in my job.
If I don't like the location I always have the option to resign. So do
they. (Oh yeah , theres that spurious safety argument they dreamt up
down the put as well. If its that important why isn't Aslef balloting
too then
and the whole workforce walking out?)

B2003

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"Boltar" wrote in message
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Mal wrote:
Where is Boltar?????

Didn't see the point on commenting on it. Everyone knows my views and
if I posted what I really thought about Bob Crowe and his performing
monkey Bobby Law I'd probably be done for libel.

Suffice to say it seems to me that the sort of people who join the RMT
are nothing but whinging work shy scum who are quite happy to shaft
everyone to get what they want. A dose of the real world instead of
their cosy unionised protectorate where theres always someone to
pick up the toys they throw out of their ptam would be one hell of
an eye opener for them. I'll be moving offices next year in my job.
If I don't like the location I always have the option to resign. So do
they. (Oh yeah , theres that spurious safety argument they dreamt up
down the put as well. If its that important why isn't Aslef balloting
too then
and the whole workforce walking out?)

If you want to know why ASLEF isn't balloting you haven't read what it's all
about.

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

"Brimstone" wrote in message
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"Boltar" wrote in message
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Mal wrote:
Where is Boltar?????

Didn't see the point on commenting on it. Everyone knows my views and
if I posted what I really thought about Bob Crowe and his performing
monkey Bobby Law I'd probably be done for libel.

Suffice to say it seems to me that the sort of people who join the RMT
are nothing but whinging work shy scum who are quite happy to shaft
everyone to get what they want. A dose of the real world instead of
their cosy unionised protectorate where theres always someone to
pick up the toys they throw out of their ptam would be one hell of
an eye opener for them. I'll be moving offices next year in my job.
If I don't like the location I always have the option to resign. So do
they. (Oh yeah , theres that spurious safety argument they dreamt up
down the put as well. If its that important why isn't Aslef balloting
too then
and the whole workforce walking out?)

If you want to know why ASLEF isn't balloting you haven't read what it's
all about.

I think that was his point - it clearly isn't about safety, as ASLEF are
staying put. :)

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

d wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
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"Boltar" wrote in message
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Mal wrote:
Where is Boltar?????

Didn't see the point on commenting on it. Everyone knows my views
and if I posted what I really thought about Bob Crowe and his
performing monkey Bobby Law I'd probably be done for libel.

Suffice to say it seems to me that the sort of people who join the
RMT are nothing but whinging work shy scum who are quite happy to
shaft everyone to get what they want. A dose of the real world
instead of their cosy unionised protectorate where theres always
someone to pick up the toys they throw out of their ptam would be one
hell of
an eye opener for them. I'll be moving offices next year in my job.
If I don't like the location I always have the option to resign. So
do they. (Oh yeah , theres that spurious safety argument they
dreamt up down the put as well. If its that important why isn't
Aslef balloting too then
and the whole workforce walking out?)

If you want to know why ASLEF isn't balloting you haven't read what
it's all about.

I think that was his point - it clearly isn't about safety, as ASLEF
are staying put. :)

Safety has different people in different sections/departments dealing with
it.

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

In article ,
d wrote:
I think that was his point - it clearly isn't about safety, as ASLEF are
staying put. :)

Aren't ASLEF a driver-only union? Doesn't the RMT represent all types
of railway staff? Isn't the issue over station manning levels?


--
RIP Morph (1977-2005)

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

of railway staff? Isn't the issue over station manning levels?

Thats just a smokescreen. As usual its really about doing less
work more conveneitly for the same or more money. If
The Two Bobbies were really genuine with their hand wringing
soul searching routing about how they're concerned about the
travelling public, they wouldn't have called a strike on new years
eve just to completely and deliberately screw up the best party
most people have the whole year. They've turned into cardboard
cutout charicatures of all that was bad about the unions in
the 1970s (though Bob Crowe by the way he dresses and talks
seems to consider himself some sort of dapper working class,
salt-o-the-earth intellectual. What a joke)

B2003

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

"Mike Bristow" wrote in message
...
In article ,
d wrote:
I think that was his point - it clearly isn't about safety, as ASLEF are
staying put. :)

Aren't ASLEF a driver-only union?

Err, nope, some managers are also in ASLEF...
--
Cheers, Steve.
Change from jealous to sad to reply.

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Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
I think that was his point - it clearly isn't about safety, as ASLEF
are staying put. :)

Aren't ASLEF a driver-only union?

Membership is open to those in the line of promotion to driver or who have
been drivers.

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

elyob wrote:
Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?

Of course not, but after many people started saying "It's Christmas, so
where's the tube strike", I guess they had no choice but to move it to
New Year.

I think Mr Crow needs to realise that once a terrorist has chosen to
let off a bomb on a train (or whatever) there's pretty much nothing
anyone is going to do about it, whether you're in a ticket office or
manning barriers. We all know the solution is to stop anyone wanting to
do it, and that's rather beyond the remit of ANY tube workers.

And, as I see it, moving people to the 'front line' does seem like a
good move, if only to give people the perception that they're safer.
Maybe it's the fear that more staff would be at risk from terrorists?

In any case, it's always the same thing. The RMT strike, get what they
want, agree to it, then change their mind in 6-12 months. And as long
as you make statements that mention 'safety' in every other sentence,
you're supposed to be taken seriously. After all, anyone that doesn't
support the strike is obviously asking for another atrocity on the
railway..

Jonathan

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

http://www.zoneonelondon.co.uk/


Here's the truth!!!!!!


"Jonathan Morris" wrote in message
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elyob wrote:
Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?

Of course not, but after many people started saying "It's Christmas, so
where's the tube strike", I guess they had no choice but to move it to
New Year.

I think Mr Crow needs to realise that once a terrorist has chosen to
let off a bomb on a train (or whatever) there's pretty much nothing
anyone is going to do about it, whether you're in a ticket office or
manning barriers. We all know the solution is to stop anyone wanting to
do it, and that's rather beyond the remit of ANY tube workers.

And, as I see it, moving people to the 'front line' does seem like a
good move, if only to give people the perception that they're safer.
Maybe it's the fear that more staff would be at risk from terrorists?

In any case, it's always the same thing. The RMT strike, get what they
want, agree to it, then change their mind in 6-12 months. And as long
as you make statements that mention 'safety' in every other sentence,
you're supposed to be taken seriously. After all, anyone that doesn't
support the strike is obviously asking for another atrocity on the
railway..

Jonathan

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

http://www.zoneonelondon.co.uk/

You wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Here;s the truth!


"Boltar" wrote in message
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of railway staff? Isn't the issue over station manning levels?

Thats just a smokescreen. As usual its really about doing less
work more conveneitly for the same or more money. If
The Two Bobbies were really genuine with their hand wringing
soul searching routing about how they're concerned about the
travelling public, they wouldn't have called a strike on new years
eve just to completely and deliberately screw up the best party
most people have the whole year. They've turned into cardboard
cutout charicatures of all that was bad about the unions in
the 1970s (though Bob Crowe by the way he dresses and talks
seems to consider himself some sort of dapper working class,
salt-o-the-earth intellectual. What a joke)

B2003

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

"Dom1234" wrote in message
...
http://www.zoneonelondon.co.uk/


Here's the truth!!!!!!

Really? As always, the union side is never presented in enough detail
to convince the public. It says that staffing is being reduced at Bank,
for example. But how many people will be on platforms and on gate lines
compared to the current number? And what's the source of the report on
that website?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

Dom1234 wrote:
http://www.zoneonelondon.co.uk/


Here's the truth!!!!!!


"Jonathan Morris" wrote in message
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elyob wrote:

Do they really believe that striking 31st December is going to get the
respect of the general public?

Of course not, but after many people started saying "It's Christmas, so
where's the tube strike", I guess they had no choice but to move it to
New Year.

I think Mr Crow needs to realise that once a terrorist has chosen to
let off a bomb on a train (or whatever) there's pretty much nothing
anyone is going to do about it, whether you're in a ticket office or
manning barriers. We all know the solution is to stop anyone wanting to
do it, and that's rather beyond the remit of ANY tube workers.

And, as I see it, moving people to the 'front line' does seem like a
good move, if only to give people the perception that they're safer.
Maybe it's the fear that more staff would be at risk from terrorists?

In any case, it's always the same thing. The RMT strike, get what they
want, agree to it, then change their mind in 6-12 months. And as long
as you make statements that mention 'safety' in every other sentence,
you're supposed to be taken seriously. After all, anyone that doesn't
support the strike is obviously asking for another atrocity on the
railway..

Jonathan




DOM1234
I take it you are an RMT member, you must have voted for the deal, it
was presented as a triumph by Bob Crow, Bobby Law et al, it makes very
poor tactical sense to strike on NYE, it alients the public, and makes
all staff look like the biggest bunch of ****s, lets get it on record,
Drivers are not on strike, have not voted on strike action, most will go
into work, (I'm on A/L at the moment), I for one do not support any
strike where I have not had a vote, station staff do not support drivers
strikes so why should I support theirs.

This strike was bound to happen, after the deal was accepted I met a
senior ASLEF official, who said that the RMT hadn't realised the full
implications of the deal, this strike I believe is the result of the
poor negotiations by the RMT, for this wonderful deal done on behalf of
all its members.

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

In message , www.waspies.net
writes

DOM1234
I take it you are an RMT member, you must have voted for the deal, it
was presented as a triumph by Bob Crow, Bobby Law et al, it makes very
poor tactical sense to strike on NYE, it alients the public, and makes
all staff look like the biggest bunch of ****s, lets get it on record,
Drivers are not on strike, have not voted on strike action, most will
go into work, (I'm on A/L at the moment), I for one do not support any
strike where I have not had a vote, station staff do not support
drivers strikes so why should I support theirs.

This strike was bound to happen, after the deal was accepted I met a
senior ASLEF official, who said that the RMT hadn't realised the full
implications of the deal, this strike I believe is the result of the
poor negotiations by the RMT, for this wonderful deal done on behalf of
all its members.

I agree totally with all that.

And for what it's worth, I went in and did a full duty tonight until
0400. I notice that most of the stations were open too so that's not had
much effect.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

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In message , Steve Fitzgerald
] writes

And for what it's worth, I went in and did a full duty tonight until
0400. I notice that most of the stations were open too so that's not
had much effect.

Well done - and sincere thanks to you and all the many other workers who
gave up their New Year's Eve to keep London running so successfully.

--
Paul Terry

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

As this strike has had so little effect on the operation of LU, then
the policy of moving staff from ticket offices is certainly the right
one. Perhaps, with this evidence of a failure of a strike action to
bring the network to a halt, LU should take it further. Redeploy staff
from ticket offices as planned, followed by issuing redundancy notices
to any others left over. It is quite clear that LU ticket offices are
overstaffed as the union have helpfully pointed out by failing to bring
the system to a standstill. The savings can be passed onto the
travelling public by way of fare reductions.

Neill

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:

And for what it's worth, I went in and did a full duty tonight until
0400. I notice that most of the stations were open too so that's not had
much effect.

Thankyou, Steve - we very much appreciated that! All the best for the new
year.

tom

--
Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps we will learn the
truth. -- Friedrich Kekule

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

www.waspies.net ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

Bobby Law

A parody of himself. The man is either a comedy genius or extremely
scary...

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

Steve Dulieu wrote:

"Mike Bristow" wrote in message
...
In article ,
d wrote:
I think that was his point - it clearly isn't about safety, as ASLEF are
staying put. :)

Aren't ASLEF a driver-only union?

Err, nope, some managers are also in ASLEF...

Aslef?
Aren't you the ones who had a strike for that driver who couldn't
restrain himself from going through red signals? Arnos Grove I think it
was.
Did he get his job back?

Tube strike 31st Dec
 

"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
...
In message , www.waspies.net
writes

DOM1234
I take it you are an RMT member, you must have voted for the deal, it was
presented as a triumph by Bob Crow, Bobby Law et al, it makes very poor
tactical sense to strike on NYE, it alients the public, and makes all
staff look like the biggest bunch of ****s, lets get it on record, Drivers
are not on strike, have not voted on strike action, most will go into
work, (I'm on A/L at the moment), I for one do not support any strike
where I have not had a vote, station staff do not support drivers strikes
so why should I support theirs.

This strike was bound to happen, after the deal was accepted I met a
senior ASLEF official, who said that the RMT hadn't realised the full
implications of the deal, this strike I believe is the result of the poor
negotiations by the RMT, for this wonderful deal done on behalf of all its
members.

I agree totally with all that.

And for what it's worth, I went in and did a full duty tonight until 0400.
I notice that most of the stations were open too so that's not had much
effect.

You're one of the many, less vocal LUL workers who actually do their job
correctly :) Again, thanks for caring about the public!

--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

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"Neillw001" wrote in message
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As this strike has had so little effect on the operation of LU, then
the policy of moving staff from ticket offices is certainly the right
one. Perhaps, with this evidence of a failure of a strike action to
bring the network to a halt, LU should take it further. Redeploy staff
from ticket offices as planned, followed by issuing redundancy notices
to any others left over. It is quite clear that LU ticket offices are
overstaffed as the union have helpfully pointed out by failing to bring
the system to a standstill. The savings can be passed onto the
travelling public by way of fare reductions.

Neill

It's comedy - the RMT strike didn't even take down the underground. That
has to be, as you said, a massive indicator that they are indeed bloated
somewhat in the ticket offices.