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Does Oyster know the tube route you have taken?
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:17:44 GMT, Alix wrote:
If I go from a zone 4 station to another zone 4 station then I guess Oyster would charge me for one zone. But what if the route I took went via Zone 3 and I never left any station in between? Would Oyster charge me for 1 zone or 2 zones? All Oyster would know is that I started in zone 4 and left in zone 4. Not so. Or is Oyster a lot smarter than that? Yes! It knows the exact stations you started and finished at. FOR EXAMPLE: (1) Get on the tube at South Woodford (zone 4, Central line). (2) Must travel via Stratford (zone 3). (3) Get off at Ilford (zone 4, railway station served by One Rail). Charged for one zone or two zones? As has been noted, pre-pay is not valid on 'one' to Ilford, but the example can be fixed by using Barking instead. In that case, the system knows that a journey from South Woodford to Barking must pass through zones 3 and 4, and would charge you accordingly (in the same way as if you went to the ticket machine at South Woodford and bought a ticket to Barking, it would sell you a Z34 single rather than a Z4 one). Actually, this still isn't a very good example as the Z34 fare happens to be the same as the Z4 one, but anyway. You may then ask, does it know whether you decide to go via Mile End (Z2), in order to make the journey with just one change of train? The answer is that it doesn't, and would still only charge you the Z34 fare. AFAICS there's no way you could be liable for any sort of penalty fare, either. |
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asdf wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:17:44 GMT, Alix wrote: If I go from a zone 4 station to another zone 4 station then I guess Oyster would charge me for one zone. But what if the route I took went via Zone 3 and I never left any station in between? Would Oyster charge me for 1 zone or 2 zones? All Oyster would know is that I started in zone 4 and left in zone 4. Not so. Or is Oyster a lot smarter than that? Yes! It knows the exact stations you started and finished at. FOR EXAMPLE: (1) Get on the tube at South Woodford (zone 4, Central line). (2) Must travel via Stratford (zone 3). (3) Get off at Ilford (zone 4, railway station served by One Rail). Charged for one zone or two zones? As has been noted, pre-pay is not valid on 'one' to Ilford, but the example can be fixed by using Barking instead. In that case, the system knows that a journey from South Woodford to Barking must pass through zones 3 and 4, and would charge you accordingly (in the same way as if you went to the ticket machine at South Woodford and bought a ticket to Barking, it would sell you a Z34 single rather than a Z4 one). Actually, this still isn't a very good example as the Z34 fare happens to be the same as the Z4 one, but anyway. You may then ask, does it know whether you decide to go via Mile End (Z2), in order to make the journey with just one change of train? The answer is that it doesn't, and would still only charge you the Z34 fare. AFAICS there's no way you could be liable for any sort of penalty fare, either. Sometimes it can work against you too, though; for some journeys, you are always charged for a certain route even if a cheaper (but longer) one exists. Potential example (though I haven't checked): Putney Bridge (Z2) to Notting Hill Gate (boundary Z1/2) charged as a Zone 1 & 2 journey although a cheaper Zone 2 & 3 route exists (via Earl's Court and Ealing Broadway). -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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In article , asdf
writes [Z34 journey] You may then ask, does it know whether you decide to go via Mile End (Z2), in order to make the journey with just one change of train? The answer is that it doesn't, and would still only charge you the Z34 fare. Right. AFAICS there's no way you could be liable for any sort of penalty fare, either. Not on the automated system, no. But if there happened to be an on-train inspection the situation would change. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:10:20 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote: [Z34 journey] You may then ask, does it know whether you decide to go via Mile End (Z2), in order to make the journey with just one change of train? The answer is that it doesn't, and would still only charge you the Z34 fare. Right. AFAICS there's no way you could be liable for any sort of penalty fare, either. Not on the automated system, no. But if there happened to be an on-train inspection the situation would change. Would it, though? You'd have touched in at the start of your journey, and would be travelling on a "reasonable" route to your destination, so I can't see what you'd be doing wrong. Come to think of it, would the situation change if you had a Z34 Travelcard season on your Oyster? (Bearing in mind that you're allowed to travel outside your zones, at least on routes where pre-pay is valid, as the system is "supposed" to charge you the excess automatically.) |
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AFAICS there's no way you could be liable for any sort of
penalty fare, either. Not on the automated system, no. But if there happened to be an on-train inspection the situation would change. Would it, though? You'd have touched in at the start of your journey, and would be travelling on a "reasonable" route to your destination, so I can't see what you'd be doing wrong. You are right. If you are using Oyster card to pay as you go and your card is inspected while travelling on a train all they are going to do is look for the record of you "touching in". |
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In article , Clive D. W. Feather wrote:
You may then ask, does it know whether you decide to go via Mile End (Z2), in order to make the journey with just one change of train? The answer is that it doesn't, and would still only charge you the Z34 fare. Right. AFAICS there's no way you could be liable for any sort of penalty fare, either. Not on the automated system, no. But if there happened to be an on-train inspection the situation would change. Why? Assuming you have pre-pay credit on your card, how on earth could you be doing anything wrong? You 'tapped in', and 'tapped out', what else were you supposed to do? Possibly the on-train inspector might do something to your card which caused you to get charged a bit more for entering the extra zone, but I can't see any way you could be fined, surely? |
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In article , TKD
writes You are right. If you are using Oyster card to pay as you go and your card is inspected while travelling on a train all they are going to do is look for the record of you "touching in". Good point. Until you touch out, they don't know where you're going. -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:46:50 +0000, "Clive D. W. Feather"
wrote: You are right. If you are using Oyster card to pay as you go and your card is inspected while travelling on a train all they are going to do is look for the record of you "touching in". Good point. Until you touch out, they don't know where you're going. However, if, for example, you have touched in at South Woodford, and are inspected on a train heading *towards* South Woodford, you might have some explaining to do. (The hand-held readers do tell them what station you started your journey at.) I wonder if there are any rules (like on NR) about what route you can take? One of the advantages of pre-pay is that you don't have to decide on your destination before you start your journey - you can change your mind because of, e.g., a mobile phone conversation on the train, or a new idea, or remembering something you'd forgotten. Changing your destination mid-journey might result in an unusual route, so it would be useful to know. I think a read through the Conditions of Carriage is needed. [Later] For paper tickets the following applies: "Can be used to travel by any reasonably direct route to the destination, unless a particular route is specified by the words on the ticket, the ticket machines or price list or by one of our staff." However, there is NO corresponding condition for Oyster pre-pay, so it would *appear* (though IANAL) that you can take any route at all, including doubling-back and even passing through your origin station again by train, without being in violation of the CoC. Of course, this doesn't necessarily stop them PFing you, so you might have to be prepared to fight it out in court. I also note from the CoC that all travel is subject to the following: "If we believe that you have used or tried to use any ticket or Oyster card to defraud us we may cancel and not re-issue it. If this happens, we will not give you a refund of the remaining value of the ticket or Pre Pay, or refund any deposit paid for the Oyster card." ....which appears (again, IANAL) to give them free rein to withdraw your Oyster complete with all stored value, if they happen not to like what you're doing with it. |
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In message , at 01:16:17 on
Wed, 4 Jan 2006, asdf remarked: "If we believe that you have used or tried to use any ticket or Oyster card to defraud us we may cancel and not re-issue it. If this happens, we will not give you a refund of the remaining value of the ticket or Pre Pay, or refund any deposit paid for the Oyster card." ...which appears (again, IANAL) to give them free rein to withdraw your Oyster complete with all stored value, if they happen not to like what you're doing with it. Not quite. They would still have to prove intent to defraud. And that requires a published definition of fraudulent use (at the very least by comparing with a leaflet that describes non-fraudulent use), which seems to be absent. -- Roland Perry |
Does Oyster know the tube route you have taken?
"If we believe that you have used or tried to use any ticket or Oyster
card to defraud us we may cancel and not re-issue it. If this happens, we will not give you a refund of the remaining value of the ticket or Pre Pay, or refund any deposit paid for the Oyster card." ...which appears (again, IANAL) to give them free rein to withdraw your Oyster complete with all stored value, if they happen not to like what you're doing with it. Not quite. They would still have to prove intent to defraud. And that requires a published definition of fraudulent use (at the very least by comparing with a leaflet that describes non-fraudulent use), which seems to be absent. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Oyster pay as you go has a 2 hour time limit for each journey in order to prevent misuse. |
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In message , at 09:03:41 on
Wed, 4 Jan 2006, TKD remarked: "If we believe that you have used or tried to use any ticket or Oyster card to defraud us we may cancel and not re-issue it. If this happens, we will not give you a refund of the remaining value of the ticket or Pre Pay, or refund any deposit paid for the Oyster card." ...which appears (again, IANAL) to give them free rein to withdraw your Oyster complete with all stored value, if they happen not to like what you're doing with it. Not quite. They would still have to prove intent to defraud. And that requires a published definition of fraudulent use (at the very least by comparing with a leaflet that describes non-fraudulent use), which seems to be absent. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Oyster pay as you go has a 2 hour time limit for each journey in order to prevent misuse. That would be a sensible rule in most circumstances (you'd need to waive it in the aftermath of serious disruption), but needs a mention in a leaflet somewhere, along the lines of "Every journey must be completed within 2 hours". -- Roland Perry |
Does Oyster know the tube route you have taken?
Not quite. They would still have to prove intent to defraud. And that requires a published
definition of fraudulent use (at the very least by comparing with a leaflet that describes non-fraudulent use), which seems to be absent. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Oyster pay as you go has a 2 hour time limit for each journey in order to prevent misuse. That would be a sensible rule in most circumstances (you'd need to waive it in the aftermath of serious disruption), but needs a mention in a leaflet somewhere, along the lines of "Every journey must be completed within 2 hours". No chance of that. The current 20-page "Your guide to Oyster" contains 55 images and little more than captions for a 'guide'. A clear attempt has been made to hide any complexity resulting in a guide that is useless. Why are they so scared to produce a document that explains the system in a clear and thorough way. I wonder if those responsible for the documentation fully understand how it works? I still come across people who do not buy their weekly travelcard on Oyster because "Oyster does not work on the trains". (!) |
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In message , at 09:56:27 on Wed, 4
Jan 2006, TKD remarked: Not quite. They would still have to prove intent to defraud. And that requires a published definition of fraudulent use (at the very least by comparing with a leaflet that describes non-fraudulent use), which seems to be absent. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Oyster pay as you go has a 2 hour time limit for each journey in order to prevent misuse. That would be a sensible rule in most circumstances (you'd need to waive it in the aftermath of serious disruption), but needs a mention in a leaflet somewhere, along the lines of "Every journey must be completed within 2 hours". No chance of that. The current 20-page "Your guide to Oyster" contains 55 images and little more than captions for a 'guide'. A clear attempt has been made to hide any complexity resulting in a guide that is useless. Why are they so scared to produce a document that explains the system in a clear and thorough way. I wonder if those responsible for the documentation fully understand how it works? It's fairly simple: If they have a rule but don't publish it, there is no enforceable rule. (In this instance, we don't even know if there's even such a rule lurking anywhere). -- Roland Perry |
Does Oyster know the tube route you have taken?
Not quite. They would still have to prove intent to defraud. And that requires a published
definition of fraudulent use (at the very least by comparing with a leaflet that describes non-fraudulent use), which seems to be absent. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Oyster pay as you go has a 2 hour time limit for each journey in order to prevent misuse. That would be a sensible rule in most circumstances (you'd need to waive it in the aftermath of serious disruption), but needs a mention in a leaflet somewhere, along the lines of "Every journey must be completed within 2 hours". No chance of that. The current 20-page "Your guide to Oyster" contains 55 images and little more than captions for a 'guide'. A clear attempt has been made to hide any complexity resulting in a guide that is useless. Why are they so scared to produce a document that explains the system in a clear and thorough way. I wonder if those responsible for the documentation fully understand how it works? It's fairly simple: If they have a rule but don't publish it, there is no enforceable rule. (In this instance, we don't even know if there's even such a rule lurking anywhere). I've just searched the Conditions of Carriage and the only reference to two hours was for tube carnet so I've probably mis-remembered that. However, there must be a time limit for Oyster journeys as this would be the point at which the journey is declared "unresolved" if you do not touch-out. Also unpublished is the time you have to make an out-of-station interchange. |
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TKD wrote:
However, there must be a time limit for Oyster journeys as this would be the point at which the journey is declared "unresolved" if you do not touch-out. Not necessarily. As you can't make two journeys at once, touching in again (before any touch out) would surely be the point at which that was flagged? That said, you could then get away with a very long journey if you touched in, passed out through open barriers, then passed through open barriers to start another journey and touched out at the end of it. That doesn't go to say that there *has* to be a limit, though, it just means there would be a slight (and probably rare) anomaly if there wasn't. Also unpublished is the time you have to make an out-of-station interchange. That could (but again possibly introducing an anomaly as above) simply be triggered by a touch-out followed immediately (with no other travel in between) by a touch-in at a valid station. Neil |
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TKD wrote:
No chance of that. The current 20-page "Your guide to Oyster" contains 55 images and little more than captions for a 'guide'. A clear attempt has been made to hide any complexity resulting in a guide that is useless. Why are they so scared to produce a document that explains the system in a clear and thorough way. I wonder if those responsible for the documentation fully understand how it works? I still come across people who do not buy their weekly travelcard on Oyster because "Oyster does not work on the trains". (!) Well, they are probably better sticking with paper travelcards anyway. No passengers charter discount, and it seems no 'gold card' bonuses. -- Paul |
Does Oyster know the tube route you have taken?
No chance of that. The current 20-page "Your guide to Oyster" contains
55 images and little more than captions for a 'guide'. A clear attempt has been made to hide any complexity resulting in a guide that is useless. Why are they so scared to produce a document that explains the system in a clear and thorough way. I wonder if those responsible for the documentation fully understand how it works? I still come across people who do not buy their weekly travelcard on Oyster because "Oyster does not work on the trains". (!) Well, they are probably better sticking with paper travelcards anyway. No passengers charter discount, and it seems no 'gold card' bonuses. It is very unlikely they will be better off if they ever travel on the tube beyond the zones on their travelcard . A two zone extension is £1 for Oyster users or £3 for paper ticket holders. |
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In message , Paul
writes TKD wrote: No chance of that. The current 20-page "Your guide to Oyster" contains 55 images and little more than captions for a 'guide'. A clear attempt has been made to hide any complexity resulting in a guide that is useless. Why are they so scared to produce a document that explains the system in a clear and thorough way. I wonder if those responsible for the documentation fully understand how it works? I still come across people who do not buy their weekly travelcard on Oyster because "Oyster does not work on the trains". (!) Well, they are probably better sticking with paper travelcards anyway. No passengers charter discount, and it seems no 'gold card' bonuses. (!?) Weekly travelcards aren't eligible for gold card bonuses anyway. Yearly Oyster season tickets do get you gold card bonuses. -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
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I suspect that a tube journey from Cockfosters to Heathrow Airport on
the Piccadilly Line would be very close to 2 hours long in normal circumstances. -- gbh ------------------- gbh04 is a spamtrap all post is deleted |
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I suspect that a tube journey from Cockfosters to Heathrow Airport on
the Piccadilly Line would be very close to 2 hours long in normal circumstances. It's 1hr 25mins. Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow). |
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Heathrow to Southgate normally takes 1hr 40mn during the afternoon,
midweek. I think 1hr 25mn to Cockfosters must be the "official" time. -- gbh ------------------- gbh04 is a spamtrap all post is deleted |
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In message , GBH
writes Heathrow to Southgate normally takes 1hr 40mn during the afternoon, midweek. I think 1hr 25mn to Cockfosters must be the "official" time. WTT says 1 hour 23 mins. These days it's more often right than not. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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TKD wrote:
I suspect that a tube journey from Cockfosters to Heathrow Airport on the Piccadilly Line would be very close to 2 hours long in normal circumstances. It's 1hr 25mins. Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow). For these types of journeys, the waiting time is also important. At a gated station, you touch in, then wait - at somewhere in the far-flung reaches of the Tube like Amersham, you could potentially wait 20 minutes for a train (similarly at Baker Street in the other direction). I found this to be an issue with the allowed out-of-gate interchange time - when changing from Bakerloo to Chiltern at Marylebone for a train to Amersham, you might find that you had 30 minutes to wait for your train, and could potentially fall foul of the system, as you would only touch in again when your train is ready for boarding. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Dave Arquati ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow). For these types of journeys, the waiting time is also important. At a gated station, you touch in, then wait - at somewhere in the far-flung reaches of the Tube like Amersham, you could potentially wait 20 minutes for a train (similarly at Baker Street in the other direction). Chesham-to-Chigwell would include a wait to change from the Chesham Shuttle at Chalfont & Latimer, too - apart from the small number of thru trains per day, at peak times. |
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Adrian wrote:
Chesham to Chigwell is 2 hrs 2 mins (with walking speed set to slow). For these types of journeys, the waiting time is also important. At a gated station, you touch in, then wait - at somewhere in the far-flung reaches of the Tube like Amersham, you could potentially wait 20 minutes for a train (similarly at Baker Street in the other direction). Chesham-to-Chigwell would include a wait to change from the Chesham Shuttle at Chalfont & Latimer, too - apart from the small number of thru trains per day, at peak times. Indeed. Also it's often difficult to get an Aldate-Amersham through service and so you'd be doing all the changing there as well. I presume the on the move travel time incorporates a through service at Woodford? Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between barriers with the time between swiping in? |
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Tim Roll-Pickering ) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying : Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between barriers with the time between swiping in? Who for? Somebody fit and mobile, or somebody elderly and slow who needs a pee and wants to buy a Standard on his wander? |
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Adrian wrote:
Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between barriers with the time between swiping in? Who for? Somebody fit and mobile, or somebody elderly and slow who needs a pee and wants to buy a Standard on his wander? Good point but equally if someone does makea trip from Chigwell to Chesham are they going to be charged excess for not touching out within two hours? The other one that I find chaotic is the extension to travelcard service. A lot of travelcard holders seem to think that if the gates are open for whatever reason within their zone validity, or if they're entering the system through national rail, then they don't need to touch in. Normally this is true but when going out of zone it appears you need to touch in at "journey start" and return as well as at the gates on your extension, otherwise you get charged the full incomplete journey whack. I've known a number of people get fines on this without realising it, not least because their starting point was a national rail station with no fare gates or card reader and the limited literature they've seen from TfL doesn't explicitly tell them they have to find and use an onplatform reader at the interchange, or because they've got back to a station where the gates are open. |
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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message ... Adrian wrote: Are the gates able to be flexible and match the distance between barriers with the time between swiping in? Who for? Somebody fit and mobile, or somebody elderly and slow who needs a pee and wants to buy a Standard on his wander? Good point but equally if someone does makea trip from Chigwell to Chesham are they going to be charged excess for not touching out within two hours? The other one that I find chaotic is the extension to travelcard service. A lot of travelcard holders seem to think that if the gates are open for whatever reason within their zone validity, or if they're entering the system through national rail, then they don't need to touch in. Normally this is true but when going out of zone it appears you need to touch in at "journey start" and return as well as at the gates on your extension, otherwise you get charged the full incomplete journey whack. I've known a number of people get fines on this without realising it, not least because their starting point was a national rail station with no fare gates or card reader and the limited literature they've seen from TfL doesn't explicitly tell them they have to find and use an onplatform reader at the interchange, or because they've got back to a station where the gates are open. This is because season ticket holders using prepay as extensions do not see themselves as "prepay users". The signage tends to say "prepay users must touch here" but you have to realise you are a prepay user despite having a season ticket if you are going beyond the zones on your travelcard. |
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TKD wrote:
This is because season ticket holders using prepay as extensions do not see themselves as "prepay users". The signage tends to say "prepay users must touch here" but you have to realise you are a prepay user despite having a season ticket if you are going beyond the zones on your travelcard. And of course yet another point where the whole "no need to plan in advance/change your destination as you travel" falls apart! |
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This is because season ticket holders using prepay as extensions do not see themselves as "prepay users". The signage tends to say "prepay users must touch here" but you have to realise you are a prepay user despite having a season ticket if you are going beyond the zones on your travelcard. And of course yet another point where the whole "no need to plan in advance/change your destination as you travel" falls apart! Always touch in. Always touch out. |
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TKD wrote:
And of course yet another point where the whole "no need to plan in advance/change your destination as you travel" falls apart! Always touch in. Always touch out. Okay give me something I can touch in and out on at my local station. |
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In article ,
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: TKD wrote: And of course yet another point where the whole "no need to plan in advance/change your destination as you travel" falls apart! Always touch in. Always touch out. Okay give me something I can touch in and out on at my local station. which station is it? -- RIP Morph (1977-2005) |
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Mike Bristow wrote:
And of course yet another point where the whole "no need to plan in advance/change your destination as you travel" falls apart! Always touch in. Always touch out. Okay give me something I can touch in and out on at my local station. which station is it? Forest Gate. |
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In article ,
Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: which station is it? Forest Gate. Let's rephrase a little: always touch in when you enter the area covered by pre-pay (the tube, plus some extras). -- RIP Morph (1977-2005) |
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Mike Bristow wrote:
In article , Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: which station is it? Forest Gate. Let's rephrase a little: always touch in when you enter the area covered by pre-pay (the tube, plus some extras). This could be the basis of a publicity campaign to avoid all this confusion - define appropriate parts of the network as an "Oyster Area" or something like that, and tell people to always touch in and out of Oyster Area. Where there are validators for Tube/rail interchange, e.g. Highbury & Islington, then there should be a big, clear notice (which people can't help seeing) that says that you are entering/leaving an "Oyster Area". ("Have you touched in/out?" - like the congestion charge reminder road signs "Have you paid?".) -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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In article , ] (Steve
Fitzgerald) wrote: In message , GBH writes Heathrow to Southgate normally takes 1hr 40mn during the afternoon, midweek. I think 1hr 25mn to Cockfosters must be the "official" time. WTT says 1 hour 23 mins. These days it's more often right than not. Last time I did Cambridge-Heathrow by trains I was alarmed to discover how much more than expected were the King's Cross-Heathrow times. About 1 1/4 hours IIRC. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , ] (Steve Fitzgerald) wrote: In message , GBH writes Heathrow to Southgate normally takes 1hr 40mn during the afternoon, midweek. I think 1hr 25mn to Cockfosters must be the "official" time. WTT says 1 hour 23 mins. These days it's more often right than not. Last time I did Cambridge-Heathrow by trains I was alarmed to discover how much more than expected were the King's Cross-Heathrow times. About 1 1/4 hours IIRC. About 55 minutes actually. Faster via HEx of course. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Richard J.) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , ] (Steve Fitzgerald) wrote: In message , GBH writes Heathrow to Southgate normally takes 1hr 40mn during the afternoon, midweek. I think 1hr 25mn to Cockfosters must be the "official" time. WTT says 1 hour 23 mins. These days it's more often right than not. Last time I did Cambridge-Heathrow by trains I was alarmed to discover how much more than expected were the King's Cross-Heathrow times. About 1 1/4 hours IIRC. About 55 minutes actually. Faster via HEx of course. Definitely over an hour in reality when I last did it. I said I was surprised. You said times (plural), so I thought you meant the timetabled times, not just the train you happened to be on. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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