New fares and Oyster
 

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure penalising outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an unanticipated further factor at East Putney this morning.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to date when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single because I had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at Heathrow). It probably won't happen again all year so no thought of buying an Oyster card.

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I was glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a massive queue was from one of three simple cash-only machines with just two people at them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows and Oyster capable machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond Road.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure
penalising outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an
unanticipated further factor at East Putney this morning.

Yes, we remember well how you failed to acknowledge that the only
people that would be "penalised" would be the ones who self-evidently
wanted to be.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to
date when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single
because I had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at
Heathrow). It probably won't happen again all year so no thought of
buying an Oyster card.

Nose. Spite. Face.

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I
was glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a
massive queue was from one of three simple cash-only machines with
just two people at them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows
and Oyster capable machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond Road.

It never occurred to you that that is because for many people it will
have been their first day back at work after the Xmas break,
exacerbating the usual "after weekend" queue of people renewing their
Travelcards?

Of course, if you'd bought an Oyster card the day before, and put a
fiver Pre-Pay on it, you wouldn't have had to queue at all, but then
you also wouldn't have been able to enjoy your usual act of public
self-flagellation.
--
Nick Cooper

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New fares and Oyster
 

"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure
penalising outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an
unanticipated further factor at East Putney this morning.

Yes, we remember well how you failed to acknowledge that the only
people that would be "penalised" would be the ones who self-evidently
wanted to be.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to
date when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single
because I had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at
Heathrow). It probably won't happen again all year so no thought of
buying an Oyster card.

Nose. Spite. Face.

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I
was glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a
massive queue was from one of three simple cash-only machines with
just two people at them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows
and Oyster capable machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond Road.

It never occurred to you that that is because for many people it will
have been their first day back at work after the Xmas break,
exacerbating the usual "after weekend" queue of people renewing their
Travelcards?

Of course, if you'd bought an Oyster card the day before, and put a
fiver Pre-Pay on it, you wouldn't have had to queue at all, but then
you also wouldn't have been able to enjoy your usual act of public
self-flagellation.
--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV:
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/


The New fares are a rip off

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:19:31 -0000, "Beano"
wrote:


"Nick Cooper" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure
penalising outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an
unanticipated further factor at East Putney this morning.

Yes, we remember well how you failed to acknowledge that the only
people that would be "penalised" would be the ones who self-evidently
wanted to be.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to
date when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single
because I had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at
Heathrow). It probably won't happen again all year so no thought of
buying an Oyster card.

Nose. Spite. Face.

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I
was glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a
massive queue was from one of three simple cash-only machines with
just two people at them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows
and Oyster capable machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond Road.

It never occurred to you that that is because for many people it will
have been their first day back at work after the Xmas break,
exacerbating the usual "after weekend" queue of people renewing their
Travelcards?

Of course, if you'd bought an Oyster card the day before, and put a
fiver Pre-Pay on it, you wouldn't have had to queue at all, but then
you also wouldn't have been able to enjoy your usual act of public
self-flagellation.
--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV:
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/


The New fares are a rip off


Why, is it all a class hatred-inspired capitalist plot?
--
Nick Cooper

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http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure penalising outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an unanticipated further factor at East Putney this morning.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to date when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single because I had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at Heathrow). It probably won't happen again all year so no thought of buying an Oyster card.

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I was glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a massive queue was from one of three simple cash-only machines with just two people at them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows and Oyster capable machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond Road.


I bought an Oyster card at East Putney this morning but not from the
station. By the time I got to it (10:45am) the ticket office was
closed. So I went to a newsagent nearly opposite (about 50yd towards
Putney High Street) and got one in there whilst having a pleasant chat
to the owner.

New fares and Oyster
 

I"Berenger" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure penalising
outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an unanticipated further factor
at East Putney this morning.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to date
when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single because I
had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at Heathrow). It
probably won't happen again all year so no thought of buying an Oyster
card.

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I was
glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a massive queue
was from one of three simple cash-only machines with just two people at
them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows and Oyster capable
machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond Road.


I bought an Oyster card at East Putney this morning but not from the
station. By the time I got to it (10:45am) the ticket office was
closed. So I went to a newsagent nearly opposite (about 50yd towards
Putney High Street) and got one in there whilst having a pleasant chat
to the owner.



If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be uproar. A
zone one single ticket has gone from £2 to £3. This is will rip off tourists
and occasional tube users. Surely you can see this is extortionate.

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:42:45 -0000, "Beano"
wrote:

I"Berenger" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure penalising
outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an unanticipated further factor
at East Putney this morning.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to date
when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single because I
had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at Heathrow). It
probably won't happen again all year so no thought of buying an Oyster
card.

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I was
glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a massive queue
was from one of three simple cash-only machines with just two people at
them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows and Oyster capable
machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond Road.


I bought an Oyster card at East Putney this morning but not from the
station. By the time I got to it (10:45am) the ticket office was
closed. So I went to a newsagent nearly opposite (about 50yd towards
Putney High Street) and got one in there whilst having a pleasant chat
to the owner.



If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be uproar. A
zone one single ticket has gone from £2 to £3. This is will rip off tourists
and occasional tube users. Surely you can see this is extortionate.

Surely you'd have to be stupid to not see that getting an Oyster card
makes all the "rip off" bull**** disappear. Actually, _you_ probably
can't....
--
Nick Cooper

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http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/

New fares and Oyster
 

In article , (Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure
penalising outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an
unanticipated further factor at East Putney this morning.

Yes, we remember well how you failed to acknowledge that the only
people that would be "penalised" would be the ones who self-evidently
wanted to be.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to
date when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single
because I had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at
Heathrow). It probably won't happen again all year so no thought of
buying an Oyster card.

Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

When I got to East Putney station shortly after 8:30 this morning I
was glad of my decision. The only way top buy a ticket without a
massive queue was from one of three simple cash-only machines with
just two people at them. The queue (combined) for the ticket windows
and Oyster capable machine was almost down to the Upper Richmond
Road.

It never occurred to you that that is because for many people it will
have been their first day back at work after the Xmas break,
exacerbating the usual "after weekend" queue of people renewing their
Travelcards?

No, because I travel very rarely on the Underground at that time of the morning. In fact it can't have been very busy because I got a seat at East Putney and then again at Earl's Court, almost unprecedented. The Wimbledon branch "City" train had to wait to let two Ealing/Richmonds pass it at Earl's Court.

Of course, if you'd bought an Oyster card the day before, and put a
fiver Pre-Pay on it, you wouldn't have had to queue at all, but then
you also wouldn't have been able to enjoy your usual act of public
self-flagellation.

I was in Cambridge the day before until after the East Putney ticket office closed. I had a Cambridge-U12 saver return but couldn't use it before 10 this morning anyway. I'd have used my bike but for the weather forecast, and getting up at 4 am.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

I was in Cambridge the day before until after the East Putney ticket
office closed. I had a Cambridge-U12 saver return but couldn't use it
before 10 this morning anyway.

You might well be able to use the U12 part before 10am. I'd at least
give it a try in the barriers.

New fares and Oyster
 

In article , lid (asdf) wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

I was in Cambridge the day before until after the East Putney ticket
office closed. I had a Cambridge-U12 saver return but couldn't use it
before 10 this morning anyway.

You might well be able to use the U12 part before 10am. I'd at least
give it a try in the barriers.

With a Network Card which doesn't allow any travel before 10? Whatever he gates do, it's against the card's terms of use.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:42:45 -0000, "Beano"
wrote:

If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be uproar. A
zone one single ticket has gone from £2 to £3. This is will rip off tourists
and occasional tube users. Surely you can see this is extortionate.

If you think a 50% rise is big, consider the price of a 1 or 2 zone
single outside zone 1 - they've gone up from £1.30 to £3.00. I make
that a 130% increase.

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article , (Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:47 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

For those who remember the thread about the new fare structure
penalising outsiders and TOC passengers I discovered an
unanticipated further factor at East Putney this morning.

Yes, we remember well how you failed to acknowledge that the only
people that would be "penalised" would be the ones who self-evidently
wanted to be.

Last year I bought only two tube singles, the two I had bought to
date when the thread was going. This morning I had to buy a £3 single
because I had to stay in London last night (to meet my aged mother at
Heathrow). It probably won't happen again all year so no thought of
buying an Oyster card.

Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

I've lived more of my life outside of London than in it, so don't
bother trying to play that snobbish card.
--
Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War, and in Films & TV:
http://www.nickcooper.org.uk/

New fares and Oyster
 

In ,
Beano typed:

If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be
uproar.

And if they reduced the price to holders of a special card, there would
be yelps of delight.




--
Bob

New fares and Oyster
 

In ,
asdf typed:

If you think a 50% rise is big, consider the price of a 1 or 2 zone
single outside zone 1 - they've gone up from £1.30 to £3.00. I make
that a 130% increase.

And holders of a magic card can make the same journey at a 66% discount,
making it cheaper than it was for non-holders even before the rise.

Why doesn't everybody have one of these magic cards?


--
Bob

New fares and Oyster
 

In ,
Nick Cooper typed:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:


Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

I've lived more of my life outside of London than in it, so don't
bother trying to play that snobbish card.

I live well outside London - but I still see the good sense of having
an Oystercard.


--
Bob

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:56:04 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

[oyster]

Further to this, it is to be hoped that station staff are offering
Oyster to people, particularly at stations like Heathrow, Tottenham
Hale, Liverpool Street, Victoria and Waterloo, where you're likely to
have a large percentage of overseas visitors.

Not sure if this is happening but I would be very surprised if it wasn't
given the huge advertising campaign that is springing up.

And, of course, they don't even need to register the card, so it's just
a case of paying the deposit, putting some credit on it, and then going.

Which is exactly what I do when I arrive in Hong Kong at the airport.
Straight to the ticket desk, is the card still working? how much is on
it? please add this much - thank you. Ready to travel. Off to Airbus to
hotel. beep goes the card reader. Bus departs .....
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

New fares and Oyster
 

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:39:14 GMT, "Bob Wood"
wrote:

In ,
Nick Cooper typed:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

I've lived more of my life outside of London than in it, so don't
bother trying to play that snobbish card.

I live well outside London - but I still see the good sense of having
an Oystercard.

So does my mother, and she lives in Newcastle.
--
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New fares and Oyster
 

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:36:52 GMT, "Bob Wood"
wrote:

In ,
asdf typed:

If you think a 50% rise is big, consider the price of a 1 or 2 zone
single outside zone 1 - they've gone up from £1.30 to £3.00. I make
that a 130% increase.

And holders of a magic card can make the same journey at a 66% discount,
making it cheaper than it was for non-holders even before the rise.

Why doesn't everybody have one of these magic cards?

Stubbornness?
--
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New fares and Oyster
 

In article , (Bob Wood) wrote:

In ,
Nick Cooper typed:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

I've lived more of my life outside of London than in it, so don't
bother trying to play that snobbish card.

I live well outside London - but I still see the good sense of
having an Oystercard.

That's the point. It's mostly a Network South East issue.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New fares and Oyster
 

In ,
Colin Rosenstiel typed:

In article ,
(Bob Wood) wrote:

In ,
Nick Cooper typed:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

I've lived more of my life outside of London than in it, so don't
bother trying to play that snobbish card.

I live well outside London - but I still see the good sense of
having an Oystercard.

That's the point. It's mostly a Network South East issue.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please explain.

I *do* live in the NSE area, but still find an Oystercard saves me
money.


--
Bob

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:42:45 -0000, "Beano"
wrote:

If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be uproar. A
zone one single ticket has gone from £2 to £3.

Down to £1.50.

Surely you can see this is extortionate.

What I can't see is why people would choose to pay double what they
need to.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

New fares and Oyster
 

In article , (Bob Wood) wrote:

In ,
Colin Rosenstiel typed:

In article ,
(Bob Wood) wrote:

In ,
Nick Cooper typed:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

I've lived more of my life outside of London than in it, so don't
bother trying to play that snobbish card.

I live well outside London - but I still see the good sense of
having an Oystercard.

That's the point. It's mostly a Network South East issue.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please explain.

I *do* live in the NSE area, but still find an Oystercard saves me
money.

Don't you get one day Travelcards for trips to London? Don't you have a Network Card giving you discounts on all rail travel except on LU?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New fares and Oyster
 

In ,
Colin Rosenstiel typed:

In article ,
(Bob Wood) wrote:

In ,
Colin Rosenstiel typed:

In article ,
(Bob Wood) wrote:

In ,
Nick Cooper typed:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 22:41 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Nose. Spite. Face.

You Londoners just don't understand us provincials do you?

I've lived more of my life outside of London than in it, so don't
bother trying to play that snobbish card.

I live well outside London - but I still see the good sense of
having an Oystercard.

That's the point. It's mostly a Network South East issue.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please explain.

I *do* live in the NSE area, but still find an Oystercard saves me
money.

Don't you get one day Travelcards for trips to London? Don't you have
a Network Card giving you discounts on all rail travel except on LU?

I have a Network Card, yes. But the only time it is ever worth me
getting a Travelcard from my home-town is between 8 and 10 on a weekday
*and* I intend to make more than a couple of journeys in the capital.
Otherwise SET PriceBuster + Oystercard is cheapest for me.



--
Bob

New fares and Oyster
 

If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be uproar.

Indeed?? The price of a cheap bag of flour has nearly tripled in most
supermarkets in something like the last year. I've not discerned any
uproar.

New fares and Oyster
 

In article , (Bob Wood) wrote:

Don't you get one day Travelcards for trips to London? Don't you
have a Network Card giving you discounts on all rail travel except
on LU?

I have a Network Card, yes. But the only time it is ever worth me
getting a Travelcard from my home-town is between 8 and 10 on a
weekday *and* I intend to make more than a couple of journeys in the
capital. Otherwise SET PriceBuster + Oystercard is cheapest for me.

It's not like that in WAGN-land. Must be a benefit of a nationalised
railway.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

New fares and Oyster
 

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:56:04 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:46:39 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:42:45 -0000, "Beano"
wrote:

If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be uproar. A
zone one single ticket has gone from £2 to £3. This is will rip off tourists
and occasional tube users. Surely you can see this is extortionate.

Surely you'd have to be stupid to not see that getting an Oyster card
makes all the "rip off" bull**** disappear. Actually, _you_ probably
can't....

Further to this, it is to be hoped that station staff are offering
Oyster to people, particularly at stations like Heathrow, Tottenham
Hale, Liverpool Street, Victoria and Waterloo, where you're likely to
have a large percentage of overseas visitors.

And, of course, they don't even need to register the card, so it's just
a case of paying the deposit, putting some credit on it, and then going.

You have to admit this is a clever trick by LU though. By forcing
even the occasional user onto oyster prepay they're going to be left
with a LOT of cards with £6 or whatever sitting on them un-used. The
interest on all that cash is going to make them quite a bit.

Of course, it'll be even better when National Rail start universally
accepting Oyster PrePay...

Never gonna happen.

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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:51:51 +0000, Tom Robinson
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:56:04 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

Of course, it'll be even better when National Rail start universally
accepting Oyster PrePay...

Never gonna happen.

That's what they said about Travelcard - Capitalcard, and what they
said about Student LT Card - Student Travelcard.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

New fares and Oyster
 

"Tom Robinson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:56:04 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:46:39 GMT,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:42:45 -0000, "Beano"
wrote:

If a supermarket put the price of bread up by 50% there would be uproar.
A
zone one single ticket has gone from £2 to £3. This is will rip off
tourists
and occasional tube users. Surely you can see this is extortionate.

Surely you'd have to be stupid to not see that getting an Oyster card
makes all the "rip off" bull**** disappear. Actually, _you_ probably
can't....

Further to this, it is to be hoped that station staff are offering
Oyster to people, particularly at stations like Heathrow, Tottenham
Hale, Liverpool Street, Victoria and Waterloo, where you're likely to
have a large percentage of overseas visitors.

And, of course, they don't even need to register the card, so it's just
a case of paying the deposit, putting some credit on it, and then going.

You have to admit this is a clever trick by LU though. By forcing
even the occasional user onto oyster prepay they're going to be left
with a LOT of cards with £6 or whatever sitting on them un-used. The
interest on all that cash is going to make them quite a bit.

Of course, it'll be even better when National Rail start universally
accepting Oyster PrePay...

Never gonna happen.

It will happen when Ken gets responsibility for the local services

which is going to happen sometime

tim


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