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The one that always gets me is the fact that pedestrians have priority over
vehicles that are turning into or out of a side road. Why should pedestrians, who normally have to stop at the kerb to wait for a gap in the traffic (except at zebra crossings and pedstraisn lights, obviously) be given precedence over vehicles at the most dangerous part of a road, namely a junction with another road? Because road users going along a main road have priority over those turning in or out of side roads - whether either user is a ped. or with a vehicle is irrelevant. In practice, might usually rules - I'd suggest it dosn't really - motorists who 'steal' priority by threatening to run down anyone who gets in their path are like most bullies: parasites upon the existence of an (imperfect) level of order and cooperation. If might really ruled (i.e. anarchy) the vulnerability of cars to arson, theft & vandalism, either random or as revenge attacks by disgruntled other road users, would probably make owning one more trouble than it was worth. (Not a situation I advocate - personally, I'd prefer a shift towards more order rather than less). Jon |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:50:18 -0000, "Martin Underwood"
wrote: Should I delay setting off to let him overtake me or should he wait until I've turned? I reckon the latter. Doubtless you're correct. But in practice you'd make no assumptions, keep a firm eye on him and drive defensively. Wouldn't you? |
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:53:10 -0000, "Martin Underwood"
wrote: The one that always gets me is the fact that pedestrians have priority over vehicles that are turning into or out of a side road. Why should pedestrians, who normally have to stop at the kerb to wait for a gap in the traffic (except at zebra crossings and pedstraisn lights, obviously) be given precedence over vehicles at the most dangerous part of a road, namely a junction with another road? Where did you invent that one from? If a pedestrian's on the pavement, he waits. If he's on the road, obviously you don't run into him using "right of way" as an excuse. D'oh! |
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"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
... Walter Briscoe wrote in : In message of Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:50:18 in uk.transport.london, Martin Underwood writes [snip] first. But suppose he's a second or so later and is just behind me. Should I delay setting off to let him overtake me or should he wait until I've turned? I reckon the latter. I reckon the former. You are turning across his path. He has right of way. A similar thing would apply if you turn across the path of a bus in a bus lane. Even if I'm indicating that I'm turning. I thought it was an offence to overtake a vehicle that's indicating, on the same side as he's indicating. It all boils down to the absurdity of a road layout where the left-turning traffic is not in the left-most lane. The one that always gets me is the fact that pedestrians have priority over vehicles that are turning into or out of a side road. Why should pedestrians, who normally have to stop at the kerb to wait for a gap in the traffic (except at zebra crossings and pedstraisn lights, obviously) be given precedence over vehicles at the most dangerous part of a road, namely a junction with another road? Pedestrians always have right of way, simply because they're more squishy and easily broken than cars and trucks. |
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![]() d wrote: I hope the cops start some new campaign to stop cyclists riding on the pavement and blasting through red lights. The number of times I've seen them endangering lives is ridiculous. Their chicken attitude of "rather I hit a pedestrian than a car hit me!" is an insult to every member of the public. I suggest snipers on every other building. That should do it. Crossing Vauxhall Bridge last night, one ******* sailed through the green pedestrian phase at high speed and actually had the nerve to call me a **** when I shouted ****** at him. These people are little more than scum and the sooner the police do something the better, not that that will ever happen. Kevin |
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"Jon" wrote in message
oups.com... The one that always gets me is the fact that pedestrians have priority over vehicles that are turning into or out of a side road. Why should pedestrians, who normally have to stop at the kerb to wait for a gap in the traffic (except at zebra crossings and pedstraisn lights, obviously) be given precedence over vehicles at the most dangerous part of a road, namely a junction with another road? Because road users going along a main road have priority over those turning in or out of side roads - whether either user is a ped. or with a vehicle is irrelevant. In practice, might usually rules - I'd suggest it dosn't really - motorists who 'steal' priority by threatening to run down anyone who gets in their path are like most bullies: parasites upon the existence of an (imperfect) level of order and cooperation. If might really ruled (i.e. anarchy) the vulnerability of cars to arson, theft & vandalism, either random or as revenge attacks by disgruntled other road users, would probably make owning one more trouble than it was worth. (Not a situation I advocate - personally, I'd prefer a shift towards more order rather than less). There's a bit more to anarchy than just might rulling ![]() Jon |
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Martin Underwood writes Where I live (near Abingdon in Oxfordshire) I see a lot of cyclists go through red traffic lights as if they don't apply to cyclists - especially in the centre of Oxford. When Oxford's traffic system changed a couple (?) of years ago, I saw a cyclist cycling the wrong way alongside Balliol. A policeman on duty stopped her and gave her a pretty stern warning. The woman was absolutely astounded - and I *mean* **astounded** - at being pulled over for a traffic violation as she was "only on a bike". She simply could not believe that the rules of the road applied to her. (Most of the group I was with thought this was quite amusing. At couple or so people in the group, though, were themselves surprised that the highway code applied to cyclists.) As an occasional (and I hope law-abiding) cyclist, it rather shook me at the time. -- Ian Jelf, MITG Birmingham, UK Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk |
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