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Does anyone know why there's a bus half way into a building in Lewisham
at the moment?

I can't see any news about this anywhere, but I think it must have been
involved in a major police chase.

It's rather disturbing, and some news always helps, somehow.

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Richard J. wrote:
wrote:
Does anyone know why there's a bus half way into a building in
Lewisham at the moment?

Where in Lewisham? The BBC are reporting "Lewis Grove closed at the A20
Lee High Road junction in Lewisham, because of an accident".

That seems to be it. Maybe I was searching for the wrong terms, or
maybe the report is there since I looked.


I can't see any news about this anywhere, but I think it must have
been involved in a major police chase.

Why do you think that?


Not keen on wild speculation, but a car embedded in a wall some
distance down the road, for no obvious reason, all at the same time,
suggests that maybe the car ended up in the wall after having
previously caused the bus to end up as it is.

But I was hoping for more news that would help avoid that kind of guess.

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Martin Underwood wrote:
wrote in
:

Richard J. wrote:
wrote:
Does anyone know why there's a bus half way into a building in
Lewisham at the moment?

I can't see any news about this anywhere, but I think it must have
been involved in a major police chase.

Why do you think that?

Not keen on wild speculation, but a car embedded in a wall some
distance down the road, for no obvious reason, all at the same time,
suggests that maybe the car ended up in the wall after having
previously caused the bus to end up as it is.

But I was hoping for more news that would help avoid that kind of
guess.

Ah - *now* you mention the car being embedded in another wall. That changes
everything. A bus, on its own, ending up in a wall suggests that it may have
swerved to avoid something - maybe even a stray pedestrian. But if there's
also a car in the same predicament nearby, that suggests that the two events
are linked. What you surmise may well be correct. Whatever happened, it must
have been bloody frightening for the bus driver/passengers and other drivers
or pedestrians round about who saw it happen.


Absolutely. A bit stomach-churning to see even the aftermath. I
wasn't being tricky, but I just wanted to know if there was any proper
news before wading in with my uninformed, circumstantial version of the
story. Which I've now done of course.

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wrote:
Does anyone know why there's a bus half way into a building in Lewisham
at the moment?

I can't see any news about this anywhere, but I think it must have been
involved in a major police chase.

It's rather disturbing, and some news always helps, somehow.


Local news isn't very snappy at the weekend, but I'd imagine news
sources will cover this tomorrow (i.e. monday) or maybe even tuesday.

icSouthLondon, the web offshoot of the South London Press, covers
stories such as this:
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/

And BBC London News online might carry a report as well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/news/index.shtml

I'm sure all will become clear.

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On 15 Jan 2006 16:16:08 -0800, wrote:

Absolutely. A bit stomach-churning to see even the aftermath.

I'm feeling a bit queasy even reading about it! I think it's
disgusting that I haven't been offered compensation, or at least free
counseling.

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Mizter T wrote:
wrote:
Does anyone know why there's a bus half way into a building in Lewisham
at the moment?

I can't see any news about this anywhere, but I think it must have been
involved in a major police chase.

It's rather disturbing, and some news always helps, somehow.


Local news isn't very snappy at the weekend, but I'd imagine news
sources will cover this tomorrow (i.e. monday) or maybe even tuesday.

icSouthLondon, the web offshoot of the South London Press, covers
stories such as this:
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/

And BBC London News online might carry a report as well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/news/index.shtml

I'm sure all will become clear.

Is this it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4612144.stm

Car and bus crash kills teenager

An 18-year-old died and three others were seriously hurt when their car
and a bus crashed on a railway bridge.

The bus then mounted the pavement in Anerley Road, Upper Norwood,
south-east London, hit a wall and knocked debris onto the train line on
Friday night.

A train was forced to stop but it was not carrying any passengers and
did not hit the debris. The bus driver and one bus passenger were not
hurt.

The three car passengers, two aged 16, are being treated at Lewisham
Hospital.

Anerley Road is still closed.

Formal identification

Officers were called to the crash at the junction with Hamlet Road at
about 2045 GMT.

Police said the bus was travelling south along Anerley Road and had
just pulled out from a bus stop.

The black VW Golf in which the four youths were travelling was going
north along the road.

The teenager who died is believed to be from south London, but is yet
to be formally identified.

Police are appealing for witnesses.

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wrote:
wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
wrote:
Does anyone know why there's a bus half way into a building in Lewisham
at the moment?

I can't see any news about this anywhere, but I think it must have been
involved in a major police chase.

It's rather disturbing, and some news always helps, somehow.


Local news isn't very snappy at the weekend, but I'd imagine news
sources will cover this tomorrow (i.e. monday) or maybe even tuesday.

icSouthLondon, the web offshoot of the South London Press, covers
stories such as this:
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/

And BBC London News online might carry a report as well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/news/index.shtml

I'm sure all will become clear.

Is this it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4612144.stm


No, that one's miles away. Lewis Grove was right. But I haven't seen
a single word of news anywhere, at least twenty four hours later.


Finally found a small, inaccurate report at
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/le...s_in_brief.php.

"BUS CRASH: Four people, including the driver, suffered minor injuries
after a bus ploughed into a shop front, in Lewis Grove, Lewisham. Three
fire crews were called to deal with the crash, which happened just
after 1am, on Monday."

Makes it appear that the driver just spontaneously drove into the shop.
No mention of the crashed car up the road or the damaged shop on the
other side of the road.

Also, unless I had a rather vivid premonition when I posted the first
message at 10.00 pm on Sunday, it can't very well have happened when
they said. Strange that there would be a cover-up over something so
public.

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In article .com,
MIG wrote:
Strange that there would be a cover-up over something so
public.

But not particularly strange that they would cock up a report
on something so trivial.


--
RIP Morph (1977-2005)

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Mike Bristow wrote:
In article .com,
MIG wrote:
Strange that there would be a cover-up over something so
public.

But not particularly strange that they would cock up a report
on something so trivial.


Blimey, how newsworthy do you suppose Lewisham normally is? What would
be big enough to report accurately?

How does one know whether it was trivial, based on only a totally wrong
report? A multiple vehicle incident, spread over a wide area, at a far
busier time than the report claimed (no later than 2100), resulting in
at least one building being left in an unsafe state* is not THAT
trivial. Should at least get proper local coverage.

If it was a train, it would be national news.


*I now know.

Bus in Building
 

In article . com,
MIG wrote:
Blimey, how newsworthy do you suppose Lewisham normally is? What would
be big enough to report accurately?

7/7? Oh, no, they got that one wrong, at least in part, too.

Journalists seem to be more interested in getting /something/ out
than in getting something accurate out - (with a few notable
exceptions).

--
RIP Morph (1977-2005)

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:11:35 +0000 (UTC), Mike Bristow
wrote:

Journalists seem to be more interested in getting /something/ out
than in getting something accurate out - (with a few notable
exceptions).

When something YOU did was last reported in the paper, did they get
your name/age/sex/address/what you actually did/everything else wrong?
Not all of those? Unusual.

And people take the Bible literally :-)

Bus in Building
 

In article . com,
MIG wrote:

Mike Bristow wrote:
Journalists seem to be more interested in getting /something/ out
than in getting something accurate out - (with a few notable
exceptions).

Yeah fair enough, but the News Shopper is just a local paper.

With a staff of two trainees gathering news (and 200 selling adverts).

It
hasn't got a lot else to report on, if they're aware of it. They must
have been deliberately fed the wrong facts by someone.

Deliberately? No room for cockup? No room for honest mistake? No room
for misunderstanding?

That is, in their office someone phones the police and says "can you
tell us why there's a hole in a building and bits of bus lying
around?".

And the police PR department asks the super, and the super asks the
sergent, and the sergent asks the poor sods on the ground, and the
poor sods on the ground tell the sergent, who tells the super, who
tells the PR department, who tell the local rag. And you really,
really, really think that the above is a recipe for 100% accurate
reporting? Even if all the parties have no time pressure (in the
police? hah!), are competent and diligent in the performance
of their duties (in the street of shame? hah!).

Still, you'll have no shortage of dance partners (provided you
bring three and fourpence).

--
RIP Morph (1977-2005)

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:11:35 +0000 (UTC), Mike Bristow
wrote:

Journalists seem to be more interested in getting /something/ out
than in getting something accurate out - (with a few notable
exceptions).

When something YOU did was last reported in the paper, did they get
your name/age/sex/address/what you actually did/everything else wrong?
Not all of those? Unusual.

And people take the Bible literally :-)


It's true that although I've got a lot of information about the world
from newspapers, every time they report on a story I know something
about, it's wrong.

But in this case I still don't get it. Something happens mid-evening.
How does any kind of honest mistake convert that into the early hours?
It's not a typo. It's not a story about an issue that the journalists
don't understand (the usual reason for everything being wrong). It's
just a lie, either to or by the paper.

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But in this case I still don't get it. Something happens mid-evening.
How does any kind of honest mistake convert that into the early hours?

One kind of honest mistake that could do that would be that person A
states the time when the emergency services (or the crashed vehicles)
*left* the scene, and person B, who hadn't heard about the accident
until after it was all over, thinks A is talking about the time of the
accident.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Information! ... We want information!"
-- The Prisoner

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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:23:19 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote:

One kind of honest mistake that could do that would be that person A
states the time when the emergency services (or the crashed vehicles)
*left* the scene, and person B, who hadn't heard about the accident
until after it was all over, thinks A is talking about the time of the
accident.

No! It was criminal stupidity or, better still, a conspiracy. This
IS the Internet, remember :-)

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:23:19 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote:

One kind of honest mistake that could do that would be that person A
states the time when the emergency services (or the crashed vehicles)
*left* the scene, and person B, who hadn't heard about the accident
until after it was all over, thinks A is talking about the time of the
accident.

No! It was criminal stupidity or, better still, a conspiracy. This
IS the Internet, remember :-)


Hmm. And you are obviously a tool of this conspiracy, using ridicule
to prevent discussion.

But it is still reasonable to be surprised that probably the only thing
to have happened in that area for months wasn't reported (except
trivially and wrongly). It's possible to be surprised without
subscribing to any particular theory.

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On 25 Jan 2006 00:05:02 -0800, "MIG"
wrote:


No! It was criminal stupidity or, better still, a conspiracy. This
IS the Internet, remember :-)


Hmm. And you are obviously a tool of this conspiracy, using ridicule
to prevent discussion.

I'm sorry. I shall have to terminate your Internet account forthwith.
Possible I shall have to kill you.

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006 00:05:02 -0800, "MIG"
wrote:


No! It was criminal stupidity or, better still, a conspiracy. This
IS the Internet, remember :-)


Hmm. And you are obviously a tool of this conspiracy, using ridicule
to prevent discussion.

I'm sorry. I shall have to terminate your Internet account forthwith.
Possible I shall have to kill you.


Please have my credit card details.

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"MIG" wrote in news:1138239069.912748.72570
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:


Laurence Payne wrote:
On 25 Jan 2006 00:05:02 -0800, "MIG"
wrote:


No! It was criminal stupidity or, better still, a conspiracy. This
IS the Internet, remember :-)


Hmm. And you are obviously a tool of this conspiracy, using ridicule
to prevent discussion.

I'm sorry. I shall have to terminate your Internet account forthwith.
Possible I shall have to kill you.


Please have my credit card details.



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