Bollards
 

I've recently noticed that a lot of the plastic lit-up bollards on traffic
islands seem to be wrong - for instance, a plain white disc where there
should be a leftward arrow, or a leftward arrow where there should be two
diverging arrows, etc. Particularly bad is the route from Old Street tube
station to New North Road, where every bollard seems to be wrong. Maybe the
local kids have gone around rearranging them - it doesn't seem likely that
they could be knocked down in pairs and accidentally switched. A solution
could be to give the different styles of bollard different asymmetrical
shapes at the bottom, with matching differently shaped metal frames set into
the concrete - then it would be impossible to switch them or put them in the
right hole the wrong way around.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Bollards
 

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:02:58 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote:

A solution
could be to give the different styles of bollard different asymmetrical
shapes at the bottom, with matching differently shaped metal frames set into
the concrete - then it would be impossible to switch them or put them in the
right hole the wrong way around.

Ask a bollard-installer if that's a solution :-) Or ask the
storekeeper who has to stock 15 types of bollard-base. All of which
will become obsolete NEXT time some wally has a bright idea.

Bollards
 

"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

I've recently noticed that a lot of the plastic lit-up bollards on traffic
islands seem to be wrong - for instance, a plain white disc where there
should be a leftward arrow, or a leftward arrow where there should be two
diverging arrows, etc. Particularly bad is the route from Old Street tube
station to New North Road, where every bollard seems to be wrong. Maybe
the
local kids have gone around rearranging them - it doesn't seem likely that
they could be knocked down in pairs and accidentally switched.

Assuming that you are right in what you think the bollards should be
showing, it is probably down to what the bloke fitting replacement bollards
has on board at the time. They are not going to be highly qualified traffic
engineers and probably see no problem in fitting a different bollard. The
only thing that stops you seeing keep right instead of keep left may be that
keep right bollards are very rare and unlikely to be on the lorry in the
first place.

A solution
could be to give the different styles of bollard different asymmetrical
shapes at the bottom, with matching differently shaped metal frames set
into
the concrete - then it would be impossible to switch them or put them in
the
right hole the wrong way around.

You then have the problem of ensuring that the bollard base fitting crew put
the right one in to begin with.

Colin Bignell

Bollards
 

nightjar wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message
...

I've recently noticed that a lot of the plastic lit-up bollards on traffic
islands seem to be wrong - for instance, a plain white disc where there
should be a leftward arrow, or a leftward arrow where there should be two
diverging arrows, etc. Particularly bad is the route from Old Street tube
station to New North Road, where every bollard seems to be wrong. Maybe
the
local kids have gone around rearranging them - it doesn't seem likely that
they could be knocked down in pairs and accidentally switched.

Assuming that you are right in what you think the bollards should be
showing, it is probably down to what the bloke fitting replacement bollards
has on board at the time. They are not going to be highly qualified traffic
engineers and probably see no problem in fitting a different bollard. The
only thing that stops you seeing keep right instead of keep left may be that
keep right bollards are very rare and unlikely to be on the lorry in the
first place.

A solution
could be to give the different styles of bollard different asymmetrical
shapes at the bottom, with matching differently shaped metal frames set
into
the concrete - then it would be impossible to switch them or put them in
the
right hole the wrong way around.

You then have the problem of ensuring that the bollard base fitting crew put
the right one in to begin with.

Colin Bignell

In the first place the engineer who designed the traffic scheme should
have checked it before signing off the works and paying the bill. I
think this is more likely to be the result of sloppy maintenance (these
bollards are always being knocked over - preferable to the same thing
happening to people). Next time you see one that is wrong do your
community a favour and tell the Council so they can put it right sooner.

Bollards
 

In uk.transport, John Rowland wrote:
A solution could be to give the different styles of bollard different
asymmetrical shapes at the bottom, with matching differently shaped
metal frames set into the concrete - then it would be impossible to
switch them or put them in the right hole the wrong way around.

That seems rather inflexible. I'd have a sticker on the diffuser showing
the proper sign. And, for good measure, which way it should face. :-)

--
Mike Barnes

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On 21 Jan 2006 12:14:52 -0800, "umpston" wrote:

In the first place the engineer who designed the traffic scheme should
have checked it before signing off the works and paying the bill. I
think this is more likely to be the result of sloppy maintenance (these
bollards are always being knocked over - preferable to the same thing
happening to people). Next time you see one that is wrong do your
community a favour and tell the Council so they can put it right sooner.

Easily done online:

http://streetfaults.tfl.gov.uk/newfault.shtml

Bollards
 

"Marc Brett" wrote in message
...

http://streetfaults.tfl.gov.uk/newfault.shtml

I've reported a dozen faults (more serious than bollards) on that website a
few months ago. Although they were in six different London boroughs, none
have been fixed.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Bollards
 

"umpston" wrote in message
ups.com...
....
In the first place the engineer who designed the traffic scheme should
have checked it before signing off the works and paying the bill. I
think this is more likely to be the result of sloppy maintenance ...

That is why I referred to the bloke fitting replacement bollards.

Colin Bignell

Bollards
 

Mike Barnes wrote:
That seems rather inflexible. I'd have a sticker on the diffuser showing
the proper sign. And, for good measure, which way it should face. :-)

In the case of a keep left/keep right sign, it must be possible to have
a swappable sign that's fitted in a 'window' at the top and secured in
place somehow, to prevent kids playing around with it.

Then you can have an arrow either way, plus other symbols can be placed
in this 'window' so you don't need to carry a whole bollard for each
sign. You can have 'pass both sides', 'no entry', 'cycles only/no
cycles' etc.

Jonathan

Bollards
 

In uk.transport, Jonathan Morris wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote:
That seems rather inflexible. I'd have a sticker on the diffuser showing
the proper sign. And, for good measure, which way it should face. :-)

In the case of a keep left/keep right sign, it must be possible to have
a swappable sign that's fitted in a 'window' at the top and secured in
place somehow, to prevent kids playing around with it.

Then you can have an arrow either way, plus other symbols can be placed
in this 'window' so you don't need to carry a whole bollard for each
sign. You can have 'pass both sides', 'no entry', 'cycles only/no
cycles' etc.

Good thinking.

However what I meant, and expressed poorly, was which way the *bollard*
should face.

--
Mike Barnes

Bollards
 

Jonathan Morris wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote:
That seems rather inflexible. I'd have a sticker on the diffuser showing
the proper sign. And, for good measure, which way it should face. :-)

In the case of a keep left/keep right sign, it must be possible to have
a swappable sign that's fitted in a 'window' at the top and secured in
place somehow, to prevent kids playing around with it.


Hmm - "secured in place somehow, to prevent kids playing around with
it" - perhaps the ultimate technical challenge of our time!

Bollards
 

In article .com,
Jonathan Morris says...

In the case of a keep left/keep right sign, it must be possible to have
a swappable sign that's fitted in a 'window' at the top and secured in
place somehow, to prevent kids playing around with it.

Like they already are?

Then you can have an arrow either way,

You didn't do well in mental agility tests did you? If you rotate the
keep left sign 270 degrees, it looks like a keep right one...


--
Conor

Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them
as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B

Bollards
 

"Conor" wrote in message
t...
In article .com,
Jonathan Morris says...

In the case of a keep left/keep right sign, it must be possible to have
a swappable sign that's fitted in a 'window' at the top and secured in
place somehow, to prevent kids playing around with it.

Like they already are?

Then you can have an arrow either way,

You didn't do well in mental agility tests did you? If you rotate the
keep left sign 270 degrees, it looks like a keep right one...


--
Conor

Do you always go the long way round???

If you rotate the keep left sign *90* degrees the other way, it still
looks like a keep right one...

---
IanH (L/Cpl Ret'd)

Bollards
 

"ian henden" typed

You didn't do well in mental agility tests did you? If you rotate the
keep left sign 270 degrees, it looks like a keep right one...


--
Conor

Do you always go the long way round???

If you rotate the keep left sign *90* degrees the other way, it still
looks like a keep right one...

Mental agility, innit?

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

Bollards
 

In message , Helen Deborah
Vecht writes
Mental agility, innit?
Squaddies aren't taught to think, just do as they're told.
--
Clive

Bollards
 

Clive wrote:
In message , Helen Deborah
Vecht writes
Mental agility, innit?
Squaddies aren't taught to think, just do as they're told.

Stereotypes are only used by those incapable of thinking.

Bollards
 

In message ,
Brimstone writes
Stereotypes are only used by those incapable of thinking.
Ofcourse I'm stereotyping, as I've never been one what else can I do?
--
Clive

Bollards
 

In article , ian henden
says...

If you rotate the keep left sign *90* degrees the other way, it still
looks like a keep right one...

LOL. It's Sods law as applied to posts regarding peoples spelling.


--
Conor

Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them
as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B

Bollards
 

Clive wrote:
In message ,
Brimstone writes
Stereotypes are only used by those incapable of thinking.
Ofcourse I'm stereotyping, as I've never been one what else can I do?

How do you know you haven't?

Bollards
 

Brimstone wrote:
Clive wrote:
In message ,
Brimstone writes
Stereotypes are only used by those incapable of thinking.
Ofcourse I'm stereotyping, as I've never been one what else can I do?

How do you know you haven't?

Cancel that, I misread.

Bollards
 

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...

Stereotypes are only used by those incapable of thinking.

Surely the whole purpose of thought is to create stereotypes and other
generalisations.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Bollards
 

John Rowland wrote:
"Brimstone" wrote in message
...

Stereotypes are only used by those incapable of thinking.

Surely the whole purpose of thought is to create stereotypes and other
generalisations.

Thought is something engaged in by intelligent people and intelligent people
claim to dislike stereotypes, so I'm told.

Bollards
 

Conor wrote:
Like they already are?

I didn't know they were.. never looked that closely!

You didn't do well in mental agility tests did you? If you rotate the
keep left sign 270 degrees, it looks like a keep right one...

?

I suggested a system that would allow one arrow to be swapped to point
left or right (I didn't think anyone would want it pointing up). I am
sorry if I didn't communicate this very well, but what you've just said
sounds exactly the same!

Jonathan

Bollards
 

In article . com,
Jonathan Morris says...
Conor wrote:
Like they already are?

I didn't know they were.. never looked that closely!

You didn't do well in mental agility tests did you? If you rotate the
keep left sign 270 degrees, it looks like a keep right one...

?

I suggested a system that would allow one arrow to be swapped to point
left or right (I didn't think anyone would want it pointing up). I am
sorry if I didn't communicate this very well, but what you've just said
sounds exactly the same!

No it doesn't. Get a square bit of paper. Draw an arrow on it. Look at
it pointing left. Rotate it. What do you get?


--
Conor

Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them
as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B

Bollards
 

In article ,
Brimstone says...

No it doesn't. Get a square bit of paper. Draw an arrow on it. Look at
it pointing left. Rotate it. What do you get?

An arrow pointing down.

There's always one...

:-p


--
Conor

Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them
as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B

Bollards
 

Conor wrote:
In article ,
Brimstone says...

No it doesn't. Get a square bit of paper. Draw an arrow on it. Look
at it pointing left. Rotate it. What do you get?

An arrow pointing down.

There's always one...

Sometimes more than one eh, Conor?

Bollards
 

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...


Thought is something engaged in by intelligent people and intelligent
people claim to dislike stereotypes, so I'm told.

Yes, we like to be known as quadrophonictypes.

--
Stuart

Bollards
 

In article ,
Brimstone says...


Conor wrote:
In article ,
Brimstone says...

No it doesn't. Get a square bit of paper. Draw an arrow on it. Look
at it pointing left. Rotate it. What do you get?

An arrow pointing down.

There's always one...

Sometimes more than one eh, Conor?

4 in this case.


--
Conor

Windows & Outlook/OE in particular, shipped with settings making them
as open to entry as a starlet in a porno. Steve B

Bollards
 

John Rowland wrote:
I've recently noticed that a lot of the plastic lit-up bollards on traffic
islands seem to be wrong - for instance, a plain white disc where there
should be a leftward arrow, or a leftward arrow where there should be two
diverging arrows, etc.

Even worse is the number that aren't illuminated at night, or are so
filthy that the illumination doesn't show at all. The highway's people
are obviously trying to save a few bob here; although they may find it
difficult to escape liability when a motorcyclist runs into one of
their unlit obstacles, loses a leg and sues them for negligence!
Perhaps they could venture outside their cosy little local authority
world of astronomic salaries, inflation-proof pensions and automatic
promotion for long enough to look at this problem.