I'm a railfan.

I was reading something on the net about the layout of Stratford station
on the Central Line. I have been there before a few years ago, but I
don't remember the layout myself. The page indicated that it's possible
to transfer between Central Line trains and mainline trains across the
platform. Doesn't this imply that it's possible to board a tube train
without entering a fare-control area? If so, how does one get charged
the proper amount on one's farecard upon exit on the other end of one's
journey?

Peace... Sridhar

Standard Gauge wrote:

I was reading something on the net about the layout of Stratford station
on the Central Line. I have been there before a few years ago, but I
don't remember the layout myself. The page indicated that it's possible
to transfer between Central Line trains and mainline trains across the
platform. Doesn't this imply that it's possible to board a tube train
without entering a fare-control area? If so, how does one get charged
the proper amount on one's farecard upon exit on the other end of one's
journey?

If arriving at Stratford on a mainline train and using an Oystercard to
continue your journey you need to touch in before boarding the tube (or
v.v.) - there are around 6-8(?) readers on each of the Central line
platforms.

It's not the easiest thing to remember - IME, it's easy to forget to
touch in/out on the DLR if you only use it occasionally. Much better
when gates force you to touch in/out at system boundaries.

Perhaps these standalone Oyster readers could have an
illuminated/flashing sign to remind us forgetful types?

I was reading something on the net about the layout of Stratford station
on the Central Line. I have been there before a few years ago, but I
don't remember the layout myself. The page indicated that it's possible
to transfer between Central Line trains and mainline trains across the
platform. Doesn't this imply that it's possible to board a tube train
without entering a fare-control area? If so, how does one get charged
the proper amount on one's farecard upon exit on the other end of one's
journey?

If arriving at Stratford on a mainline train and using an Oystercard to
continue your journey you need to touch in before boarding the tube (or
v.v.) - there are around 6-8(?) readers on each of the Central line
platforms.

I suppose the same holds if one enters the platform area from the station ticketing hall?

The whole station is a fare control area. The only entrance is owned and
managed by London Underground with a tube style gateline. There is a
second gateline between the Jubilee line and the rest of the station so
anyone starting their journey at Stratford or interchanging from the
Jubilee line will be forced to pass a barrier.

Validators on the island platforms are provided for transfer between
'one' services to/from the east and Central/DLR.

It's not the easiest thing to remember - IME, it's easy to forget to
touch in/out on the DLR if you only use it occasionally. Much better
when gates force you to touch in/out at system boundaries.

And how are you charged if you do forget to touch in?

Depends where you touch out. It could be anywhere between £1 and £5.
The journey will be charged in addition to any other journeys you made
that day which might have been 'capped' at a certain price. Worth your
while to rememeber.

TKD wrote:
I was reading something on the net about the layout of Stratford station
on the Central Line. I have been there before a few years ago, but I
don't remember the layout myself. The page indicated that it's possible
to transfer between Central Line trains and mainline trains across the
platform. Doesn't this imply that it's possible to board a tube train
without entering a fare-control area? If so, how does one get charged
the proper amount on one's farecard upon exit on the other end of one's
journey?

If arriving at Stratford on a mainline train and using an Oystercard to
continue your journey you need to touch in before boarding the tube (or
v.v.) - there are around 6-8(?) readers on each of the Central line
platforms.

I suppose the same holds if one enters the platform area from the station ticketing hall?

The whole station is a fare control area. The only entrance is owned and
managed by London Underground with a tube style gateline. There is a
second gateline between the Jubilee line and the rest of the station so
anyone starting their journey at Stratford or interchanging from the
Jubilee line will be forced to pass a barrier.

Validators on the island platforms are provided for transfer between
'one' services to/from the east and Central/DLR.

It's not the easiest thing to remember - IME, it's easy to forget to
touch in/out on the DLR if you only use it occasionally. Much better
when gates force you to touch in/out at system boundaries.

And how are you charged if you do forget to touch in?

Depends where you touch out. It could be anywhere between £1 and £5.
The journey will be charged in addition to any other journeys you made
that day which might have been 'capped' at a certain price. Worth your
while to rememeber.

If you are changing from the Central Line to NR, you do have to keep
your wits about you.

If you've already got your NR ticket, you have to touch out on the
platform (or it will assume you've gone to Epping or whatever).

But if you haven't got your NR ticket, you have to not touch out on the
platform, but touch out to get you through to the outside of the
barriers to where the NR tickets are sold (if you can find it).

And then you have to be careful not to absent-mindedly touch back in
with your Oyster, but use the paper ticket you've just bought to get
back in through the barriers instead.

On 22 Jan 2006 15:20:29 -0800, "MIG"
wrote:

If you are changing from the Central Line to NR, you do have to keep
your wits about you.

If you've already got your NR ticket, you have to touch out on the
platform (or it will assume you've gone to Epping or whatever).

But if you haven't got your NR ticket, you have to not touch out on the
platform, but touch out to get you through to the outside of the
barriers to where the NR tickets are sold (if you can find it).

Does it not charge you the correct fare if you touch out on the
platform and then again when leaving through the barriers?

The whole station is a fare control area. The only entrance is owned and
managed by London Underground with a tube style gateline. There is a
second gateline between the Jubilee line and the rest of the station so
anyone starting their journey at Stratford or interchanging from the
Jubilee line will be forced to pass a barrier.

Validators on the island platforms are provided for transfer between
'one' services to/from the east and Central/DLR.

Is the North London Line covered by Oyster (other than the bits that are
duplicated by the District/Jubilee)? It's entirely possible to get between
the NLL and Central without going through a barrier.

It's not the easiest thing to remember - IME, it's easy to forget to
touch in/out on the DLR if you only use it occasionally. Much better
when gates force you to touch in/out at system boundaries.

Quite apart from the problem of transfer to the North London/Jubilee Line (I
still can't make out if Oyster charges you for interchanging through those
barriers - I use a travelcard), I just can't imagine trying to add gates
along what are already very narrow island platforms!

"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
...
The whole station is a fare control area. The only entrance is owned
and
managed by London Underground with a tube style gateline. There is a
second gateline between the Jubilee line and the rest of the station so
anyone starting their journey at Stratford or interchanging from the
Jubilee line will be forced to pass a barrier.

Validators on the island platforms are provided for transfer between
'one' services to/from the east and Central/DLR.

Is the North London Line covered by Oyster (other than the bits that are
duplicated by the District/Jubilee)? It's entirely possible to get between
the NLL and Central without going through a barrier.

No.
--
David Biddulph

asdf wrote:
On 22 Jan 2006 15:20:29 -0800, "MIG"
wrote:

If you are changing from the Central Line to NR, you do have to keep
your wits about you.

If you've already got your NR ticket, you have to touch out on the
platform (or it will assume you've gone to Epping or whatever).

But if you haven't got your NR ticket, you have to not touch out on the
platform, but touch out to get you through to the outside of the
barriers to where the NR tickets are sold (if you can find it).

Does it not charge you the correct fare if you touch out on the
platform and then again when leaving through the barriers?


I'd hope so, but not sure I'd want to risk it. I also wonder what
happens if one touches either once or twice in changing from the
Central to the DLR (eg if you were at the end of the platform and
assumed that you were touching into the DLR rather than out of the
Central, or vice versa).

With logical thought, it would probably be possible to program in ways
of deducing what people were doing, but there isn't much logical
thought in the railways.

Given the attitude of the railway authorities, eg closing twenty ticket
offices while placing gangs of twenty inspectors to hassle people who
can't get tickets, people inevitably feel threatened and liable to
ripoffs. That's not due to Oyster, it's due to past experience.

Barry Salter wrote:

Is the North London Line covered by Oyster (other than the bits that are
duplicated by the District/Jubilee)? It's entirely possible to get between
the NLL and Central without going through a barrier.

According to the TfL Fares and Tickets leaflet, PAYG Oyster (formerly
PrePay) is only valid on the NLL between Richmond and Gunnersbury, and
between Canning Town and Stratford.

Hmm - I can't remember if the NLL is shown on the tube maps these days.
Wouldn't it be a heck of a lot easier to make the tube map show all and only
Oyster validity?

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:

Hmm - I can't remember if the NLL is shown on the tube
maps these days. Wouldn't it be a heck of a lot easier to
make the tube map show all and only Oyster validity?

The NNL is shown on the Tube Map, but (except for
between Gunnersbury and Richmond, where it shares
tracks with the District Line) doesn't accept Oyster PrePay.
I would imagine that when TfL takes over control of
SilverLink Metro services PrePay will be introduced
fairly quicky. It would be quite easy to implement: most
of the NNL stations are self-contained or have interchange
only with LU, and those that aren't often have a clear
division between SilverLink and other services (e.g.
Willesden Junction, where SilverLink use the high level,
or Stratford where they use the low level).

Or you could turn control of the NNL over to LU, with all
the security, frequency and service improvements that
would bring ...


Matt