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Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly
need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
(Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. If you top up at a tube ticket window, you'll get a receipt for it. If you ask at a tube ticket window, you can get a print-out showing your most recent journeys, including their costs. |
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Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
In message , at 02:44:33 on
Mon, 27 Feb 2006, asdf remarked: If you ask at a tube ticket window, you can get a print-out showing your most recent journeys, including their costs. When I last topped up my card, I did it at a window because the queue there was smaller than the queue for the only working Oyster-enabled machine (hard to believe, but true). While I was there I asked for a "printout", and got about two feet of till roll that had loads of stuff about when I'd topped up, as well as a whole bunch of journeys. But that's hardly good enough given that one of my clients requires expenses in promptly, and if I'm dashing for a train home I don't want to have to queue at the underground ticket office every time I depart from KX/StPancras. (I'm unlikely to be back before my expenses are due in, and even them I'm probably dashing the opposite direction). It's better than the Nottingham equivalent of the Oyster (Easyrider Anytime), which I don't think has any scope for a per-journey receipt. [And can only be topped up at one location, in the City Centre]. http://www.nctx.co.uk/EasyRider/Easyrider.htm -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 03:07:32 on
Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Laurence Payne remarked: You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. A url for that would be useful. Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. Except if your journey ends at KX (and a few other places) which is where Colin and I are likely to be exiting the system. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , Roland
Perry writes In message , at 03:07:32 on Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Laurence Payne remarked: You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. A url for that would be useful. Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. Except if your journey ends at KX (and a few other places) which is where Colin and I are likely to be exiting the system. That option will stop fairly soon, once the refurbished station is completed (the only reason the ticket machines haven't retained the tickets is to allow people to change between lines which have, until now, required separate booking halls). -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
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Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
In message , at 09:10:05 on Mon,
27 Feb 2006, Paul G remarked: Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. Except if your journey ends at KX (and a few other places) which is where Colin and I are likely to be exiting the system. That option will stop fairly soon, once the refurbished station is completed Is there a date for this? I see that the Northern ticket hall won't be finished until 2009. (the only reason the ticket machines haven't retained the tickets is to allow people to change between lines which have, until now, required separate booking halls). Yes, I know. -- Roland Perry |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Laurence Payne) wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. Not according to the Oyster helpline this morning. I specifically asked too. I recently emailed to ask for a statement using the Ask Oyster website. They sent it to me by email as a PDF. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Laurence Payne) wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. Not according to the Oyster helpline this morning. I specifically asked too. I recently emailed to ask for a statement using the Ask Oyster website. They sent it to me by email as a PDF. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London I'm glad someone has asked this question, as I wanted to know about receipts on pre-pay Oyster too. What do all you contractors / consultants do if you don't have season tickets? |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. Won't your accountant really accept a simple list of journeys and fares? Have you asked him? I occasionally need to claim trips between KX and Waterloo on expenses. I explained the problem to my employer's accounts department and they said that they were happy for me to claim without a receipt. (To avoid this complication I asked Cambridge ticket office to sell me a through ticket from KX (LU) to my destination in Berkshire. However I was told that such a ticket doesn't exist, and that they could only sell me a ticket starting at Waterloo) PaulO |
Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering
your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. Not according to the Oyster helpline this morning. I specifically asked too. I recently emailed to ask for a statement using the Ask Oyster website. They sent it to me by email as a PDF. Go to "Ask Oyster" then select "Email Oyster" select topic 1 as "Prepay" and topic 2 as "Statement Request". |
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Redwood writes What do all you contractors / consultants do if you don't have season tickets? None of the central London companies I work for requires receipts for journeys of less than around £12, unless by taxi. This has been the pattern for as long as I can remember, probably because they know that paper tickets are either swallowed by machines or travel cards need to be kept for onward/return journeys. I just write something like "One day travelcard, £5.20" or whatever on the claim form or invoice - it is never questioned. -- Paul Terry |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:59:49 +0000 (UTC), "Nicola Redwood"
wrote: What do all you contractors / consultants do if you don't have season tickets? With Oyster PP, go to local tube station at a quiet time and ask for a printout of the last 8 journeys. Last time I got said printout from the grumpiest person I ever encountered, a previous time I was told it wasn't possible! But generally they do it swiftly and gracefully. Short or long printouts are doable. For paper tix which get swallowed, I expense as "ticket taken by machine". Not my fault and this has always been accepted in all sorts of companies as it's "reasonable". LT should really put the Oyster journeys on the web for those of us who adore the ability to do this - perhaps with an option to permanently delete the listings for those whose "affairs" need more secrecy... -- Old anti-spam address cmylod at despammed dot com appears broke So back to cmylod at bigfoot dot com |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message ... On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. The usual solution to this problem is to buy a day ticket even if you don't need it. No-one in an accounts department queries whether the ticket you have submitted was necessary, but they make you jump through hoops if you try and claim without a ticket. tim |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:03:08 -0000, "TKD" wrote:
You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. Not according to the Oyster helpline this morning. I specifically asked too. I recently emailed to ask for a statement using the Ask Oyster website. They sent it to me by email as a PDF. Go to "Ask Oyster" then select "Email Oyster" select topic 1 as "Prepay" and topic 2 as "Statement Request". Thanks. It's still quite a torturous process. Why can't they just put a "view statement" link on the oystercard.com website? |
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Colin Rosenstiel scribes In article , (Laurence Payne) wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. Won't your accountant really accept a simple list of journeys and fares? Have you asked him? Not if I asked to keep the ticket as a receipt. They tore it and let me through the barrier. I'm checking what the accountant will accept. I always ask for a receipt when buying a ticket which I will be claiming expenses for. OK, nearly always ask for one... -- Snowy |
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Paul Oter wrote [...] I explained the problem to my employer's accounts department and they said that they were happy for me to claim without a receipt. (To avoid this complication I asked Cambridge ticket office to sell me a through ticket from KX (LU) to my destination in Berkshire. However I was told that such a ticket doesn't exist, and that they could only sell me a ticket starting at Waterloo) My local SWT station out in Surrey beyond the Travelcard area was happy to sell me a single to Waterloo plus Underground Z1 for today and another single + Z1 dated 3 days later for my return trip. They said they had had some reports of problems with the automatic barriers for the future dated U1 tickets but in fact I had no problems to/from KX. When I worked for BP (before 1999) the expenses rules said that no receipt was expected for journeys of less than 50 miles by public transport. -- Mike D |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:11:03 +0100, "tim \(in Sweden\)"
wrote: "Laurence Payne" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:42 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. You can ask for a print-out at an Underground ticket office, covering your last dozen or so journeys. I think you can request one online too, though they post it to you. Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. The usual solution to this problem is to buy a day ticket even if you don't need it. No-one in an accounts department queries whether the ticket you have submitted was necessary, but they make you jump through hoops if you try and claim without a ticket. At a previous workplace, a very snotty notice came round one day saying that workers would only be reimbursed for out-of-pocket expenses; apparently people had been travelling into work on a Z1-n monthly/annual, then going to a client meeting across town and claiming for 2xZ1 singles! -- James Farrar . @gmail.com |
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Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
you can also get receipts for any purchases you make from the MFM or QBM
(the touch screen ones) but you have to press a button that states "press for receipt". You won't get a receipt automatically. "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... In article , (Laurence Payne) wrote: Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. I've never been refused when I've asked to keep the paper ticket as a receipt. Won't your accountant really accept a simple list of journeys and fares? Have you asked him? You could be right. He's been on holiday -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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James Farrar wrote [...] you jump through hoops if you try and claim without a ticket. At a previous workplace, a very snotty notice came round one day saying that workers would only be reimbursed for out-of-pocket expenses; apparently people had been travelling into work on a Z1-n monthly/annual, then going to a client meeting across town and claiming for 2xZ1 singles! Hee ! Since such companies usually provide season ticket loans both the boss who signed the expenses claim and the accounts dept should know what type of season ticket the worker had. A slightly more subtle idea was to use "Gold card gives a N/W card discount" but claim for a full rate ticket. -- Mike D |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote
(Michael R N Dolbear) wrote: My local SWT station out in Surrey beyond the Travelcard area was happy to sell me a single to Waterloo plus Underground Z1 for today and another single + Z1 dated 3 days later for my return trip. They said [...] I would expect to buy a Saver Return to Z1 for that sort of trip from Cambridge. I do that to Zones 1 & 2 on occasion when I stay in Putney. With a Network Card it's £19.15 this year compared to a Saver Return to King's Cross which is £16.55. That still beats the tube singles, even with Oyster. Yes, Savers are 50 miles and up, Network Awaybreak 35 miles and up -- those closer in don't get any return ticket offered. -- Mike D |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Laurence Payne) wrote: Single tickets were always swallowed by the machine at the end of the journey anyway. I've never been refused when I've asked to keep the paper ticket as a receipt. Won't your accountant really accept a simple list of journeys and fares? Have you asked him? You could be right. He's been on holiday In my case (being self-employed and paying my travel costs) I only want to know so I know how much to offset against tax. At the moment it has to be a ghastly rought estimate. Francis |
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Receipts for Oyster pre-pay?
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
It looks like I need to get an Oyster card for pre-pay but I regularly need to produce receipts for travel. That is easy with paper tickets but how do I do that with Oyster pre-pay? Ask Oyster doesn't have anything. If I'm on a work trip to London, I just guess how much prepay I'm likely to burn, and top up that amount. So I go to the ticket machine, put a tenner in, press the receipt button and give the receipt for a tenner to the accountant. Tim |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
That will only be a receipt for money put on the Oyster card, not for journeys made. If they won't accept that, then sounds like the problem is your accounts people, and not the ticketing system. Tim |
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In message , at 22:08:44 on
Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Tim Bray remarked: If I'm on a work trip to London, I just guess how much prepay I'm likely to burn, and top up that amount. So I go to the ticket machine, put a tenner in, press the receipt button and give the receipt for a tenner to the accountant. One size does not fit all. Some accountants (and/or auditors) are more picky than that. And no, that isn't "their problem", it's the claimant's problem. -- Roland Perry |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Tim Bray) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: That will only be a receipt for money put on the Oyster card, not for journeys made. If they won't accept that, then sounds like the problem is your accounts people, and not the ticketing system. But there is likely to be very poor concordance between putting cash on an Oyster Card and making journeys for which one is claiming expenses from the same source. I claim from three on different occasions. One is a local authority whose auditors expect receipts. You need to limit their expectations. They need to face the fact that you cannot get recipts for everything that it is reasonable to claim for. How do they cope with claims for money paid into a kerbside parking meter for example? Don't let the auditors/accountants dictate your terms. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... In article , (Tim Bray) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: That will only be a receipt for money put on the Oyster card, not for journeys made. If they won't accept that, then sounds like the problem is your accounts people, and not the ticketing system. But there is likely to be very poor concordance between putting cash on an Oyster Card and making journeys for which one is claiming expenses from the same source. I claim from three on different occasions. One is a local authority whose auditors expect receipts. They would probably prefer me to use rail warrants even though that would cost them a lot more (you can't use a railcard with them). What happens if you use a car for the journey? Presumably they don't expect you to provide a receipt for the exact amount of petrol you have used. Peter Smyth |
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In message , at 18:38:12 on Fri,
3 Mar 2006, Peter Smyth remarked: What happens if you use a car for the journey? Presumably they don't expect you to provide a receipt for the exact amount of petrol you have used. No, because the whole "car expenses" thing has been well documented by the Inland Revenue. There are specific pence-per-mile that you are allowed to claim (irrespective of what your actual costs were). Years ago, many companies would cap travel expenses at the BR railway fare for the same journey. Today, with so many different fares, even that is difficult. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , Peter Smyth
writes What happens if you use a car for the journey? Presumably they don't expect you to provide a receipt for the exact amount of petrol you have used. Every organisation I have ever worked for requires a mileage for car journeys - they are then paid at an agreed rate (many keep it down to around 40p per a mile, irrespective of Inland Revenue rules, in order to be seen to encourage the use of public transport). But you are quite right on the general principle - expenses are often verified by reference to the distance involved, without need for receipts for small items such as bus journeys or London travelcards. -- Paul Terry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:38:12 on Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Peter Smyth remarked: What happens if you use a car for the journey? Presumably they don't expect you to provide a receipt for the exact amount of petrol you have used. No, because the whole "car expenses" thing has been well documented by the Inland Revenue. There are specific pence-per-mile that you are allowed to claim (irrespective of what your actual costs were). But how do the auditors audit the miles that you claim, which may of course be inflated by diversions to avoid jams or accidents? Ultimately they ought to recognise that some claims have to be judged by reasonableness rather than scruffy bits of paper. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Richard J.:
But how do the auditors audit the miles that you claim, which may of course be inflated by diversions to avoid jams or accidents? Ultimately they ought to recognise that some claims have to be judged by reasonableness rather than scruffy bits of paper. At this point I am reminded of one of the stories Richard Feynman told in his book "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman". He was asked to speak at a university and promised an honorarium. Being no fan of university bureaucracies, he said "All right, but not I have to sign my name more more than 12 times -- and that includes endorsing the check." He was up to 11 signatures when they handed him the cheque and asked him to sign a receipt. He said, "No, you agreed I wouldn't have to sign anything else." And they said he had to take it because, now that he had earned the fee, they had no procedure for him *not* to be paid it! -- Mark Brader, Toronto | Any company large enough to have a research lab | is large enough not to listen to it. --Alan Kay My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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21:26:10 on Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Richard J. remarked: What happens if you use a car for the journey? Presumably they don't expect you to provide a receipt for the exact amount of petrol you have used. No, because the whole "car expenses" thing has been well documented by the Inland Revenue. There are specific pence-per-mile that you are allowed to claim (irrespective of what your actual costs were). But how do the auditors audit the miles that you claim, which may of course be inflated by diversions to avoid jams or accidents? When I've had such claims examined, they look at the start and finish point, and work out the miles by the most sensible direct route. If you make a detour that's at your own expense. Ultimately they ought to recognise that some claims have to be judged by reasonableness rather than scruffy bits of paper. There are too many people "on the fiddle" for that to be a realistic goal. -- Roland Perry |
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