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What's this green thing at London City Airport?
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What's this green thing at London City Airport?
"John Rowland" wrote in message ... http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k A plumbing fitting? -- Brian |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
In message , John Rowland
writes http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Water It's actually the docks next to the runway. The bit to the left is the road which crosses it. -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
"John Rowland" wrote in message ... http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Looks like one of those 'fake fuselages' that airport fire crew set on fire to practice extinguishing blazes. |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
It's actually the docks next to the runway. The bit to the left is the road which crosses it. So I might be right when I suggest a plumbing fitting? -- Brian It's probably an aircraft shell used for firefighting. Ian |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
In message , John Rowland
writes http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k It's a sort of cut down dummy aeroplane that's regularly set alight for fire brigade practice. Quite visible if you take the pedestrian footpath over the Connaught Bridge. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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"Steve Fitzgerald" ] wrote in message
... http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k It's a sort of cut down dummy aeroplane that's regularly set alight for fire brigade practice. Quite visible if you take the pedestrian footpath over the Connaught Bridge. Thanks all! |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
John Rowland wrote:
http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
"peter" wrote in message
oups.com... John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As has Stansted: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...0.001786&t= k |
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"Colin" wrote: "peter" wrote in message oups.com... John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As has Stansted: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...0.001786&t= k I was to;d the reason for using the green machines was because the sight of a real burnt out airframe was considered upsetting for nervous passengers. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
"Colin" wrote in message ... "peter" wrote in message oups.com... John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As has Stansted: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...0.001786&t= k That's a LOT of plumbing. :-) -- Brian "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman." |
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peter wrote:
John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As well as a moving Concorde it would seem |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 21:06:32 -0000, "Colin"
wrote: "peter" wrote in message roups.com... John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As has Stansted: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...0.001786&t= k The one at Stansted is an eerie find if you're just driving around & it appears out of the woods at about 9 at night! N |
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Stuart wrote:
peter wrote: John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As well as a moving Concorde it would seem What makes you think it's moving? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote: Stuart wrote: peter wrote: John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As well as a moving Concorde it would seem What makes you think it's moving? I was going to ask that, there are two stationary ones south of terminal 4. Ah, found it, there's one just off runway 23 at the north end. Seems an odd place to be, given it is not on the runway iteself but on the 'hard shoulder'. 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
"Richard J." wrote in message
. uk Stuart wrote: peter wrote: John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As well as a moving Concorde it would seem What makes you think it's moving? Unfortunately, I don't think that Concorde (or any other?) has moved in a couple of years, but I wonder how they keep it so clean? Do they sneak out at night and tidy it up, or even tow it back into the hangars occasionally? It amuses me that Google has stitched together images of varying vintages in the Heathrow area (and elsewhere, of course). So, not only do you see the retired Concorde parked just off runway 23, but you also see two in-service Concordes at Terminal 4 gates: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.46...3,0.013475&t=k The latter image must be at least a few months older than the former. |
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
In message "Richard J." wrote: What makes you think it's moving? I was going to ask that, there are two stationary ones south of terminal 4. Ah, found it, there's one just off runway 23 at the north end. Seems an odd place to be, given it is not on the runway itself but on the 'hard shoulder'. 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R The Concorde (G-BOAB) alongside Runway 23 is permanently parked there, and I always look out for it when taking off from 27R. It's one of the older Concordes and was already grounded (ie, effectively retired) when Concorde was retired, which is why it stayed at Heathrow. I'm not sure if they still plan to move it to somewhere in or by Terminal 5 when it's finished. See http://www.extrospection.com/archive...parked_at.html As for planes taking off and landing on the runways, remember that Google uses composite images which could easily show both 27R and 27L as takeoff runways, if one was taken in the morning and the other in the afternoon, even on the same day. Indeed, it would be perfectly possible for the same aircraft to be shown several times at Heathrow. |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
Graeme Wall wrote:
In message "Richard J." wrote: Stuart wrote: peter wrote: John Rowland wrote: http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k Heathrow has one too: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.47...9,0.009495&t=k As well as a moving Concorde it would seem What makes you think it's moving? I was going to ask that, there are two stationary ones south of terminal 4. Ah, found it, there's one just off runway 23 at the north end. Seems an odd place to be, given it is not on the runway iteself but on the 'hard shoulder'. I think the plan is to move that Concorde into or next to Terminal 5 eventually. Runway 23 hasn't been used for years AFAIK. The aircraft stands beyond its southern end have to be cleared first before it can be used. 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R No, 27L is the landing runway, and the plane on it has just landed and is turning right into one of the slip-roads or whatever they're called. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Nigel Pendse wrote:
It amuses me that Google has stitched together images of varying vintages in the Heathrow area (and elsewhere, of course). So, not only do you see the retired Concorde parked just off runway 23, but you also see two in-service Concordes at Terminal 4 gates: http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=51.46...3,0.013475&t=k The latter image must be at least a few months older than the former. The image that includes the two Concordes at T4 and the plane about to land on runway 09L is the one that Google Earth currently uses for the whole airport. T5 is at an early stage of development and there's no Concorde by runway 23. The plane about to land on 09L actually appears three more times as it makes its way down the runway! Google Maps has updated the central part with a later image showing some T5 buildings and the Concorde on 23, but the stitching together is very inaccurate at the western end of 09L. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In message , Richard J.
writes I think the plan is to move that Concorde into or next to Terminal 5 eventually. Runway 23 hasn't been used for years AFAIK. The aircraft stands beyond its southern end have to be cleared first before it can be used. 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R No, 27L is the landing runway, and the plane on it has just landed and is turning right into one of the slip-roads or whatever they're called. Both 27 and their opposite 9) runways are interchangeable for landing and takeoff. It is not uncommon, particularly in the early mornings to see aircraft landing alternately on L and then R runways. There does appear to a regular pattern in that landings on the 27 are usually on the R in the morning and on the L in the evenings. (The taxi feeder park is next to the R and we get a lot of noise in the evenings from the takeoffs) -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England |
What's this green thing at London City Airport?
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"Nigel Pendse" wrote: "Graeme Wall" wrote in message In message "Richard J." wrote: What makes you think it's moving? I was going to ask that, there are two stationary ones south of terminal 4. Ah, found it, there's one just off runway 23 at the north end. Seems an odd place to be, given it is not on the runway itself but on the 'hard shoulder'. 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R The Concorde (G-BOAB) alongside Runway 23 is permanently parked there, and I always look out for it when taking off from 27R. It's one of the older Concordes and was already grounded (ie, effectively retired) when Concorde was retired, which is why it stayed at Heathrow. I'm not sure if they still plan to move it to somewhere in or by Terminal 5 when it's finished. Can't say I've ever noticed it but the last few times I've flown out of Heathrow have been at night. Strange they've parked it close to an active runway, even if it doesn't get used very often. See http://www.extrospection.com/archive...parked_at.html As for planes taking off and landing on the runways, remember that Google uses composite images which could easily show both 27R and 27L as takeoff runways, if one was taken in the morning and the other in the afternoon, even on the same day. Indeed, it would be perfectly possible for the same aircraft to be shown several times at Heathrow. True -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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"Mike Hughes" wrote in message
Both 27 and their opposite 9) runways are interchangeable for landing and takeoff. It is not uncommon, particularly in the early mornings to see aircraft landing alternately on L and then R runways. There does appear to a regular pattern in that landings on the 27 are usually on the R in the morning and on the L in the evenings. (The taxi feeder park is next to the R and we get a lot of noise in the evenings from the takeoffs) Actually, while 27L and R are both used for takeoffs and landings, switching usually in the afternoons, it's a different picture when the 9's are in use: 09L is usually used only for landings, while 09R can be used for both takeoffs and landings. For example, when it's in use for takeoffs, an occasional T4-bound aircraft will be allowed to land on it. In the early mornings, there are lots of planes landing but few taking off, so you often see planes landing on both runways. |
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
Can't say I've ever noticed it but the last few times I've flown out of Heathrow have been at night. Strange they've parked it close to an active runway, even if it doesn't get used very often. 23 is no longer an active runway, or they couldn't have parked G-BOAB on the 'hard shoulder'. It's been a few years since that runway was last used -- I live near the flight path for it, and I can't remember when I last heard a plane on that route (it was always when there were strong cross winds). I last landed on it about four years ago, and as I recall, it was a very "lively" ride down. I don't think that runway is likely ever to be returned to use, as the proposed extended Heathrow East terminal will be built right over it, just as T3 covers one of the other original runways (in its early days, Heathrow had the standard RAF six runway pattern). |
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"Richard J." wrote: Graeme Wall wrote: In message [snip] 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R No, 27L is the landing runway, and the plane on it has just landed and is turning right into one of the slip-roads or whatever they're called. Taxiways? So it is, I hadn't zoomed all the way in before and from a distance it looks as though it has just lifted off. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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Mike Hughes wrote:
In message , Richard J. writes I think the plan is to move that Concorde into or next to Terminal 5 eventually. Runway 23 hasn't been used for years AFAIK. The aircraft stands beyond its southern end have to be cleared first before it can be used. 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R No, 27L is the landing runway, and the plane on it has just landed and is turning right into one of the slip-roads or whatever they're called. Both 27 and their opposite 9) runways are interchangeable for landing and takeoff. It is not uncommon, particularly in the early mornings to see aircraft landing alternately on L and then R runways. There does appear to a regular pattern in that landings on the 27 are usually on the R in the morning and on the L in the evenings. No, it alternates weekly. This week it's as you describe, next week they'll land on 27L in the mornings and 27R in the evenings (if they are still on westerly operations). Full details of the pattern in every week this year are at http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...ation_2006.pdf -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Mike Hughes wrote: In message , Richard J. writes I think the plan is to move that Concorde into or next to Terminal 5 eventually. Runway 23 hasn't been used for years AFAIK. The aircraft stands beyond its southern end have to be cleared first before it can be used. 27R appears to be the landing runway, given there's an aircraft taking off from 27L. On the other hand there appears to be a queue of 5 aircraft in two lines heading for 27R No, 27L is the landing runway, and the plane on it has just landed and is turning right into one of the slip-roads or whatever they're called. Both 27 and their opposite 9) runways are interchangeable for landing and takeoff. It is not uncommon, particularly in the early mornings to see aircraft landing alternately on L and then R runways. We appreciate that, just commenting on which runway was in use when the photos were taken. I'm confused by the bloke who claims there are three shots of the same plane on the runway, can't see more than one. Mind you I'm not using the Google Earth interface but Flash Earth which may have a different sibset of oictures. There does appear to a regular pattern in that landings on the 27 are usually on the R in the morning and on the L in the evenings. (The taxi feeder park is next to the R and we get a lot of noise in the evenings from the takeoffs) It's done to spread the noise out so the same people don't get all the noise all the time. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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"Nigel Pendse" wrote: [snip] I don't think that runway is likely ever to be returned to use, as the proposed extended Heathrow East terminal will be built right over it, just as T3 covers one of the other original runways (in its early days, Heathrow had the standard RAF six runway pattern). I remember that, used to live at Bedfont very many years ago. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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"John Wright" wrote in message
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:00:32 -0000, "Nigel Pendse" wrote: I don't think that runway is likely ever to be returned to use, as the proposed extended Heathrow East terminal will be built right over it, just as T3 covers one of the other original runways (in its early days, Heathrow had the standard RAF six runway pattern). I would not have said there was a standard, at least two ex-RAF airfields that I know of have all three runways intersecting at one point - Harwell in Oxfordshire and Dalcross near Inverness. If there is a standard it would be three runways not six - the original 1944 format of Heathrow was three runways later extended to six in a star of David formation. Sorry, I meant the standard RAF layout for six runway airfields (didn't most three runway airfields intersect in a triangle, not one point?). Of course, only two would ever be in use at one time, as piston-engined propeller aircraft were presumably less able to cope with cross-winds than modern jets. I can't remember the details, but didn't an off-track airliner hit the terminal buildings in Heathrow's early years, presumably when landing in a cross-wind? |
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Graeme Wall wrote:
I'm confused by the bloke who claims there are three shots of the same plane on the runway, can't see more than one. Mind you I'm not using the Google Earth interface but Flash Earth which may have a different sibset of oictures. That bloke was me. Flash Earth uses Google Local (AKA Google Maps) for the Heathrow detailed aerial views, which has the "sibset of oictures" (!) with the updated image of the central section including most of the runways. It's Google Earth that currently still has the older image of the whole airport including four images of the plane approaching and landing on 09L. Only the first (leftmost) image is on Google Local, just to the west of the 09L runway threshold. It's an Air France A319. By the way, I've found yet another Concorde image at Heathrow on Google Local & Earth. In addition to the two at T4 and the one by runway 23 (not Google Earth), there's another one at the extreme eastern edge of the airport. It's at 51º 28' 20" N, 0º 24' 57" W, or search for Chaucer Avenue, Hounslow, UK. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote in message
. uk By the way, I've found yet another Concorde image at Heathrow on Google Local & Earth. In addition to the two at T4 and the one by runway 23 (not Google Earth), there's another one at the extreme eastern edge of the airport. It's at 51º 28' 20" N, 0º 24' 57" W, or search for Chaucer Avenue, Hounslow, UK. Yes, now I see it too. Unlike the other three, this one is obviously moving, albeit distinctly subsonic, as it's being towed to the maintenance hangar. Given that only three (?) Concordes were in service at the end, this one may well be one of the two at the T4 gates in Google's images. I always used to look for Concordes round there when taking the bus from the long-stay car park to T4. Sadly, these days, there's never anything interesting round there any more. |
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On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:52:58 +0000, John Wright
wrote: I would not have said there was a standard, at least two ex-RAF airfields that I know of have all three runways intersecting at one point - Harwell in Oxfordshire and Dalcross near Inverness. If there is a standard it would be three runways not six - the original 1944 format of Heathrow was three runways later extended to six in a star of David formation. The usual RAF pattern was to have a 2000 yard runway roughly into the prevailing wind, often 25/07, and two other shorter runways at about 60 degree intervals, depending on the available land and the contours. Worksop had only two, 28/10 and 01/19 (I think) at right angles. The short one (01/19) was only used by the Meteors in very strong winds, or else they had to do short take-offs. -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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Voice wrote:
The one at Stansted is an eerie find if you're just driving around & it appears out of the woods at about 9 at night! So if you happen to own a green aeroplane about the size of a 737 with stubby little wings, be careful where you park it, or the firemen might set fire to it ;-) -- Simon Hewison |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message ... http://maps.google.com/?ll=51.506086...1,0.002494&t=k http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01...ult/page3.html Marcus |
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Richard J. wrote:
snip No, it alternates weekly. This week it's as you describe, next week they'll land on 27L in the mornings and 27R in the evenings (if they are still on westerly operations). Full details of the pattern in every week this year are at http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...ation_2006.pdf I've come to this thread a little late but I must thank you for the link to that PDF, how interesting. I wouldn't have though BAA would publish said information but then again there's not a lot of point trying to keep it a secret when it can be observed so easily. |
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Mizter T wrote:
Richard J. wrote: snip No, it alternates weekly. This week it's as you describe, next week they'll land on 27L in the mornings and 27R in the evenings (if they are still on westerly operations). Full details of the pattern in every week this year are at http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...ation_2006.pdf I've come to this thread a little late but I must thank you for the link to that PDF, how interesting. I wouldn't have though BAA would publish said information but then again there's not a lot of point trying to keep it a secret when it can be observed so easily. The information is there largely for the benefit of the residents under the flight paths, some of whom may need to plan their lives according to the runway alternation patterns. For example, there's a performance of Mozart's Così fan Tutte in the garden of Chiswick House on 28 June, a date chosen to ensure that planes would not be landing on 27R that evening. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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