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Hello

For those unaware this weekend sees the operation to lift out via the access
shaft the Waterloo & City Line 1992 Tube Stock before despatching to
Doncaster for overhaul whilst the line is closed.

Some pictures I took earlier today are now uploaded to he
http://gallery39764.fotopic.net/c909597.html

Waterloo Millenium Gardens provides a brilliant ringside seat and
subject to wind conditions, further cars should emerge from the
depths tomorrow (Sunday).

Its quite a spectacular sight! Notable that the old NSE Class 482
unit numbers are still visible on some car ends and there was a small
Balfour Beatty locomotive of some kind on a flatbed I assume waiting to be
lowered in.

Regards
John M Upton

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I can see the descriptions of what the pictures should be but no pictures.
What do I do to see the pictures?

Lawrie


"JMUpton2000" securitynovels @ freeuk.com wrote in message
reenews.net...
Hello

For those unaware this weekend sees the operation to lift out via the
access shaft the Waterloo & City Line 1992 Tube Stock before despatching
to Doncaster for overhaul whilst the line is closed.

Some pictures I took earlier today are now uploaded to he
http://gallery39764.fotopic.net/c909597.html

Waterloo Millenium Gardens provides a brilliant ringside seat and
subject to wind conditions, further cars should emerge from the
depths tomorrow (Sunday).

Its quite a spectacular sight! Notable that the old NSE Class 482
unit numbers are still visible on some car ends and there was a small
Balfour Beatty locomotive of some kind on a flatbed I assume waiting to be
lowered in.

Regards
John M Upton

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Was there a lift at one time that enabled W & C stock to reach the main
line?


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"Vauxhall Victor" wrote in message
...
Was there a lift at one time that enabled W & C stock to reach the main
line?

Yes, but that disappeared when Waterloo International was built.
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David Biddulph

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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:10:24 +0100, "JMUpton2000" securitynovels @
freeuk.com wrote:

Hello

For those unaware this weekend sees the operation to lift out via the access
shaft the Waterloo & City Line 1992 Tube Stock before despatching to
Doncaster for overhaul whilst the line is closed.

Some pictures I took earlier today are now uploaded to he
http://gallery39764.fotopic.net/c909597.html

Thanks for sharing those - very interesting indeed.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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Peter Frimberly wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:10:24 +0100, "JMUpton2000" securitynovels @
freeuk.com wrote:

Hello

For those unaware this weekend sees the operation to lift out via
the access shaft the Waterloo & City Line 1992 Tube Stock before
despatching to Doncaster for overhaul whilst the line is closed.

Some pictures I took earlier today are now uploaded to he
http://gallery39764.fotopic.net/c909597.html
[snip]

Great pics, thanks for them. I had hoped to get down there myself
but have been too busy. Any idea if the whole lot is coming out
this weekend or is there going to be more on Monday or next
weekend?

Probably will all be done today. If you go to www.metronetrail.com and
click on Waterloo & City Line in the panel at top centre of the window,
you'll see Metronet's latest update. At present it says that they got
"over half" the fleet out yesterday, and were intending last night to
crane in the four battery locos (named Walter, Lou, Anne, Kitty - a nice
touch!) for use during the project.

I guess there will be a lift-in operation too but it is probably
harder to work out when that is likely to be.

See my comment above re the battery-powered locos. But there is a huge
amount of material to be craned in and out. From the page containing
the latest update, click on "5 Month closure" in the menu items on the
left, then on "Interesting facts". They estimate nearly 14000 crane
lifts during the project (8000 coming out, nearly 6000 going in).
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Interesting though the operation will be for spectators, doesn't it
show just what madness was visited on Waterloo when the old lift was
removed - now it seems for the "temporary" visitation of the Eurostar
terminus, soon to be closed and replaced by a shopping centre?

Baylis Road closed for a whole week-end - and who knows how many more?
The traffic jams for miles in all directions on Saturday afternoon was
horrible. It took me almost half an hour to get from Waterloo Road to
Elephant & Castle - and I didn't even want to get there!

It seems that our political lords and masters care not a jot what
collateral chaos is caused whenever they decide to "upgrade" some other
part of the transport network.

Of all the lines I normally use, the Drain seems the most efficient and
well-run. Just what is being done to it that causes (a) 4 months of
closure and (b) yesterday's (and possibly today's - but I kept well
away from the area) road chaos? Supersonic speed upgrade? Tunnels lined
with gold? Club Class-style bed-installation for Labour party
donors/lenders who work in the City?

Marc.

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On 2 Apr 2006 07:32:45 -0700, "
wrote:

Interesting though the operation will be for spectators, doesn't it
show just what madness was visited on Waterloo when the old lift was
removed - now it seems for the "temporary" visitation of the Eurostar
terminus, soon to be closed and replaced by a shopping centre?

I'm not totally sure where the lift connected to, but I gather it was
to the main line and the Bakerloo line, neither of which would be too
accomodating to another lines' trains in this HSE-concious age.
Rolling stock always seems to be transported by road to
Doncaster/Spain these days, it's rarely done by rail, so they would
still have needed to do the transfer to the low loaders somewhere
nearby. I would imagine that a hoist capable of lifting a tube
carriage would be incredibly expensive to maintain today, so given
it's likely use of two days per decade or so, it just isn't worth it.

Baylis Road closed for a whole week-end - and who knows how many more?
The traffic jams for miles in all directions on Saturday afternoon was
horrible. It took me almost half an hour to get from Waterloo Road to
Elephant & Castle - and I didn't even want to get there!

Well presumably that's why they did it on a weekend and not a weekday.
I should imagine that all the other crane lifts of rails and ballast
etc throughout the refurbishment will use a much smaller crane (did
you see the size of the counterweight on this weekend's photos! eek!)
and there will be much much less disruption.

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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:10:24 +0100, "JMUpton2000" securitynovels @
freeuk.com wrote:

Waterloo Millenium Gardens provides a brilliant ringside seat

Absolutely. Makes a pleasant change when a major bit of engineering
work like this takes place in a location with such good public viewing
access.

Thanks for sharing your photos, if anyone craves even more (including
some close-ups of the carriage undersides as they were craned
overhead), I've put the good ones from my collection online as well at
http://tornado.pair.com/drain_cleaning/index.html

Regards
Chris

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"Peter Frimberly" wrote in message
...
I'm not totally sure where the lift connected to, but I gather it was
to the main line and the Bakerloo line, neither of which would be too
accomodating to another lines' trains in this HSE-concious age.

The access to the lift I believe was off a short spur a short distance into
the running tunnel after Waterloo platform.

Stock was then lifted to the surface alongside Waterloo Main Line station
and then with W&C stock match wagons, loco hauled to either Wimbledon or
Selhurst for overhaul.

No links to the Bakerloo whatsoever though.

One W&C 1940's car did run test trips on its own on the Alton branch once
though!

Regards
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:21:55 +0100, Chris Coulson
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:10:24 +0100, "JMUpton2000" securitynovels @
freeuk.com wrote:

Waterloo Millenium Gardens provides a brilliant ringside seat

Absolutely. Makes a pleasant change when a major bit of engineering
work like this takes place in a location with such good public viewing
access.

Thanks for sharing your photos, if anyone craves even more (including
some close-ups of the carriage undersides as they were craned
overhead), I've put the good ones from my collection online as well at
http://tornado.pair.com/drain_cleaning/index.html

Regards
Chris

Thanks for your pics too.

Amazing how dirty the car ends are. I guess the train wash does not
manage to reach in to the gap between cars, assuming there is even a
train wash down there. But you'd think they would do these bits by
hand every couple of months!

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In message , Peter Frimberly
writes

I'm not totally sure where the lift connected to, but I gather it was
to the main line

Yes - more precisely, it was to the carriage sidings just north of the
Windsor lines, roughly where the taxi road to the Eurostar terminal is
now. There was originally also a second, smaller lift to take coal
wagons down to the W&C power station.

and the Bakerloo line,

No, as John wrote, there was never a Bakerloo connection. The W&C runs
below and just beyond the gate line at Waterloo, with the depot at the
east end of Lower Marsh. Then comes the Northern, further west, roughly
mid-way along most platforms. The Bakerloo is further west still, pretty
much at the country end of platforms 1-3 and so at the far easterly end
of Lower Marsh. (It then follows Westminster Bridge Road to cross the
Northern at Lambeth North.)

--
Paul Terry

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Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Peter Frimberly
writes

I'm not totally sure where the lift connected to, but I gather it was
to the main line

Yes - more precisely, it was to the carriage sidings just north of the
Windsor lines, roughly where the taxi road to the Eurostar terminal is
now. There was originally also a second, smaller lift to take coal
wagons down to the W&C power station.

and the Bakerloo line,

No, as John wrote, there was never a Bakerloo connection. The W&C runs
below and just beyond the gate line at Waterloo, with the depot at the
east end of Lower Marsh. Then comes the Northern, further west, roughly
mid-way along most platforms. The Bakerloo is further west still, pretty
much at the country end of platforms 1-3 and so at the far easterly end
of Lower Marsh. (It then follows Westminster Bridge Road to cross the
Northern at Lambeth North.)


Although, for interest, you can see Bakerloo trains popping into the
open nearby at the corner of St Georges Road and Lambeth Road (the
"London Road" depot). If you can stand on something to see over the
wall.

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Richard J. wrote:
They estimate nearly 14000 crane
lifts during the project (8000 coming out, nearly 6000 going in).

I hope most of these will be by the small fixed crane over the shaft,
and not a road crane.

I've only once seen that crane used; to lift out the bars with wheels
fixed to the ends which guided the new cars down the shaft. I see the
same things were fixed to the ends of the cars as they were lifted out.
I assume that it is used from time to time for lifting smallish items
into/out of the depot.

Where is the entrance for staff; other than going in by train?

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wrote:
Interesting though the operation will be for spectators, doesn't it
show just what madness was visited on Waterloo when the old lift was
removed - now it seems for the "temporary" visitation of the Eurostar
terminus, soon to be closed and replaced by a shopping centre?

The old lift couldn't have been used even if it still existed; even the
old stock only just fitted onto it, after couplers, air hoses and a few
other 'bits' had been removed.

The old lift was hydraulic; built by Armstrong I believe. They offered
it to various places for preservation before it was removed, but none
would take it.

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wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
They estimate nearly 14000 crane
lifts during the project (8000 coming out, nearly 6000 going in).

I hope most of these will be by the small fixed crane over the shaft,
and not a road crane.

I've only once seen that crane used; to lift out the bars with wheels
fixed to the ends which guided the new cars down the shaft. I see the
same things were fixed to the ends of the cars as they were lifted out.
I assume that it is used from time to time for lifting smallish items
into/out of the depot.

Where is the entrance for staff; other than going in by train?


There's a main entrance and driveway from Waterloo Road at the eastern
corner of the main station, parallel to the main platforms, or
perpendicular to the W & C..

Incidentally, the lifting stopped for a while on Saturday morning,
while the huge crane was used to take a kind of hood off the permanent
hoist. I guessed that maybe it was in the way or had been dangerously
dislodged.

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Peter Frimberly wrote:
Thanks for sharing your photos, if anyone craves even more (including
some close-ups of the carriage undersides as they were craned
overhead), I've put the good ones from my collection online as well at
http://tornado.pair.com/drain_cleaning/index.html

What surprises me is that the cars are still powered up enough to
display "Bank" on the destination screens while going through this
procedure. Do these trains not have a full "off" switch?

--
Simon Hewison

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"Simon Hewison" wrote in message
...
Peter Frimberly wrote:
Thanks for sharing your photos, if anyone craves even more (including
some close-ups of the carriage undersides as they were craned
overhead), I've put the good ones from my collection online as well at
http://tornado.pair.com/drain_cleaning/index.html

What surprises me is that the cars are still powered up enough to display
"Bank" on the destination screens while going through this procedure. Do
these trains not have a full "off" switch?

No power needed - due to the rather limited range of destinations it is just
a sticker.

Peter Smyth

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In message , Peter Smyth
writes
What surprises me is that the cars are still powered up enough to display
"Bank" on the destination screens while going through this procedure. Do
these trains not have a full "off" switch?

No power needed - due to the rather limited range of destinations it is just
a sticker.

Let's hope they remember to put them back facing the same direction or
else the driver may get confused.

--
Bob Adams - email: bob55 at ntlworld dot com

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Presumably that's why there is a large "B" or "W" sticker on each end
of each carriage!

Marc.

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JRS: In article . com,
dated Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:05:48 remote, seen in news:uk.transport.london,
posted :
Presumably that's why there is a large "B" or "W" sticker on each end
of each carriage!

They could paint the Bank end of everything black and the Waterloo end
white ...

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They could, but wouldn't that be discriminatory against the
colour-blind?

Come to think of it, the B and W is discriminatory against the
illiterate. Shame on TFL for being so politically incorrect!

Marc.