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Colin Rosenstiel April 16th 06 11:16 PM
Oyster PAYG from Stratford-Seven Kings?
 
In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Yes but the main issue is the train companies' decision not to
participate in the Oyster scheme except to the barest extent
necessary.

Correction: The main issue is the government's refusal to allow the
train companies to participate in the Oyster scheme except to the
barest extent necessary (because it is not standards-compliant).

Everyone seems to have someone else to blame for the current mess!

If the government is vetoing implementing it, how do you explain the
requirements for the South West Trains franchise?

Things are moving now towards Oyster becoming standards-compliant, at
least I think that's why the line has changed.

Also, haven't SWT invested more on barriers than most TOCs?

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Colin Rosenstiel

asdf April 16th 06 11:26 PM
Oyster PAYG from Stratford-Seven Kings?
 
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Yes but the main issue is the train companies' decision not to
participate in the Oyster scheme except to the barest extent
necessary.

Correction: The main issue is the government's refusal to allow the
train companies to participate in the Oyster scheme except to the barest
extent necessary (because it is not standards-compliant).

What would it take to make Oyster compliant with the new standards?
Would it only require changes to the central systems, would validators
also need to be replaced, or would all Oyster cards need to be
recalled and reissued?

TheOneKEA April 17th 06 07:48 AM
Oyster PAYG from Stratford-Seven Kings?
 
asdf wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

Yes but the main issue is the train companies' decision not to
participate in the Oyster scheme except to the barest extent
necessary.

Correction: The main issue is the government's refusal to allow the
train companies to participate in the Oyster scheme except to the barest
extent necessary (because it is not standards-compliant).

What would it take to make Oyster compliant with the new standards?
Would it only require changes to the central systems, would validators
also need to be replaced, or would all Oyster cards need to be
recalled and reissued?

The first step would be for TfL to actually purchase the Oyster system
- at the moment it is owned by the consortium that developed it. I have
read implications in some places that this non-TfL ownership of Oyster
was a very potent excuse for some TOCs to shun it.

John Salmon April 17th 06 08:02 AM
Oyster PAYG from Stratford-Seven Kings?
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote
Also, haven't SWT invested more on barriers than most TOCs?

But not at London termini.



Colin April 20th 06 10:50 PM
Oyster PAYG from Stratford-Seven Kings?
 

"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Tim Roll-Pickering) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
Everyone seems to have someone else to blame for the current mess!

If the government is vetoing implementing it, how do you explain the
requirements for the South West Trains franchise?

Things are moving now towards Oyster becoming standards-compliant, at
least I think that's why the line has changed.

Also, haven't SWT invested more on barriers than most TOCs?

IIRC the wording in the document is along the lines of 'the Secretary of
State has now been convinced of the benefits of Oyster ticketing'.

It sounds more like he has given up waiting for the 'standards compliant'
solution, and is allowing Oyster, in line with his commitment to hand more
power over London NR services to TfL.

However, the requirement is (initially at least) restricted to Greater
London stations, so the DoT may still be hoping that a multi-vendor system
comes to the fore at a later date for outside of Greater London.




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