London Banter - New camera scam

London Banter (https://www.londonbanter.co.uk/forum.php)

- London Transport (https://www.londonbanter.co.uk/london-transport/)

- - New camera scam (https://www.londonbanter.co.uk/london-transport/4101-new-camera-scam.html)

Chris Read wrote:

A much more helpful use of cameras would be to catch those drivers who
obstruct pedestrian crossings at traffic light controlled junctions, making
pedestrians walk around them whilst they wait for the next green phase.

The first step would have to be to make it illegal to stop there ie
implie there is a yellow box at all ped crossings

"Chris!" wrote:

Chris Read wrote:

A much more helpful use of cameras would be to catch those drivers who
obstruct pedestrian crossings at traffic light controlled junctions,
making
pedestrians walk around them whilst they wait for the next green phase.

The first step would have to be to make it illegal to stop there ie
implie there is a yellow box at all ped crossings

See http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/18.htm

168: "In queuing traffic, you should keep the crossing clear."

Chris

In ,
Nick Finnigan said:
Chris! wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute
not only drivers who go through the final stop line when the
traffic light is reds, but also drivers who go through the initial
stop line before the cycle box.

About time too. I can only recall two occasions on my daily cycle
commute when there haven't been cars in the cycle box.

On a busy road, that is legal and expected.

Why?

Chris! wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

About time too. I can only recall two occasions on my daily cycle
commute when there haven't been cars in the cycle box.

On a busy road, that is legal and expected.

In article , J. Chisholm
writes
I also know of a major junction where there is a RT used by significant
numbers but there are only 'green arrows' for left and straight ahead
with no full green. My reading of HC suggests that you may never turn
right at that junction!

Never mind the Highway Code: it is an offence to turn right at traffic
lights except on a green arrow pointing right or a solid green light.

[Ditto for left and straight ahead.]

--
Clive D.W. Feather | Home:
Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org
Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work:
Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is:

In article , John Rowland
writes
The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

Good.

This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber phase.

If it makes it noticeably harder for you, then you need to go and get
some more driving lessons.

--
Clive D.W. Feather | Home:
Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org
Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work:
Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is:

"Chris!" wrote in message

John Rowland wrote:
The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not
only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is
reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle
box.

About time too. I can only recall two occasions on my daily cycle
commute when there haven't been cars in the cycle box. The rule about
not enroaching the cycle box has been in the highway code for some
years now but is being blatently ignored.

The rule about cyclists obeying traffic lights has been in the Highway Code
even longer, but it is more often than not ignored. I just watched a
recording of a debate this week in the House of Lords on the subject of
cyclists ignoring traffic law. It sounds like something is going to be done
this soon. About time too.

Apparently one member of the House of Lords nearly died a few years ago
after being hit by a dangerously ridden cycle outside the House. Helps
concentrate their minds.

Ian

In message of Fri, 28 Apr 2006
11:28:35 in uk.transport.london, Walter Briscoe
writes
In message of Thu, 27 Apr 2006
23:51:48 in uk.transport.london, John Rowland
writes

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle box.

Where? The nearest relevant URL I found is
http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/community/stoplines.html
That describes the rules but says nothing about new enforcement
policies. 'phone information confirms a new practice is being developed.
Leaflets - not yet ready - will publicise the campaign.
I await a call back from the relevant COLP person. When I find out
more, I will say.

I just spoke to the relevant P.C. who is on early turn.
There is a new leaflet explaining the rules. It seems it is similar to
http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/community/stoplines.html. It has
been distributed via the Public Carriage office and other places.

The rules will be enforced by constables in uniform on site.
The rules will NOT be enforced by camera - I regret that. ;)

It seems there are 3 classes of vehicle which regularly ignore the
advanced stop line: taxis; motorcycles and buses.

The work is part of a campaign to reduce deaths and serious injuries to
cyclists in the city. There were 14 such casualties in 2005; 8 in 2003.
The Department of Transport target is less than 6.

COLP is also trying to educate cyclists. There is an educational
presentation at St. Paul's (outside M&S) between 11.00 and 15.00 on May
22-26. Ticketed cyclists will get a voucher to attend and the tickets
will be cancelled on attending a presentation.

I suggest the OP overstated the situation.
--
Walter Briscoe

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:51:48 +0100, John Rowland wrote:

The City Of London Police have announced that they will prosecute not only
drivers who go through the final stop line when the traffic light is reds,
but also drivers who go through the initial stop line before the cycle
box. This makes it noticeably harder to stop legally during the amber
phase.

If driving is too hard for you then don't.