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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Clive R Robertson wrote:

I queried FCC on exactly this point a month ago, referencing the 1753.
Their reply made it clear that if I used the first class section to my
local station (Oakleigh Park) without paying a first class fare, I
would be liable to a penalty fare. Regrettably, the reply failed to
tell me what the first class fare is (and I did ask).

I reckon that's because there isn't one. At least not a point to
point fare (there might be season tickets?). Qjump's complete list of
fares contains exactly one entry - a "standard day single". That's
it.

Clive R Robertson wrote:
I queried FCC on exactly this point a month ago, referencing the 1753.
Their reply made it clear that if I used the first class section to my
local station (Oakleigh Park) without paying a first class fare, I
would be liable to a penalty fare. Regrettably, the reply failed to
tell me what the first class fare is (and I did ask).

I take my hat off to you for getting a response from FCC on anything,
even if it was complete rubbish!

There's no first class on the service. Even in the new timetable, where
it is now the 1752, it's clearly not marked. On at least one 317, the
seat covers and the 'next compartment is 1st class only' vinyls have
even been removed! If you /could/ buy a 1st class ticket, imagine how
annoyed you would be when you got a 313 with no first class section!
That's exactly why there's no advertised service because it gives them
the flexibility on stock they wouldn't have otherwise.

Some passengers that get grief (and it's very rare now as the grippers
are usually aware and save themselves the embarrassment) have letters
obtained from Wagn to show inspectors. Now, consider that FCC still
work out of the London Lines office in Old Street.. so it's probably
the same member of staff that told you the exact opposite of what they
said before!

Jonathan

wrote:

And break of journey is permitted in both directions on CDR tickets -

Source?
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Michael Hoffman

Michael Hoffman wrote:

Source?

NRE Journey Planner:-
CHEAP DAY
Train Operator Most Train Operating Companies
Booking Deadlines No deadline - walk up fare
Discounts Discounts are available for all railcard holders
Refunds Full refund if wholly unused minus cancellation fee of GBP7.50
if processed online, or if processed at call centre.
Changes To Travel Plans GBP10.00 admin charge plus upgrade to next
appropriate walk up fare.
Conditions Reservations are not essential but are recommended on
certain services. Return journey must be made on same day as outward
travel.
Break Of Journey Valid for break of journey on outward and return
portion of ticket
Availability Available on most off-peak journeys on any days.
Validity Only valid for off peak travel on date shown on ticket. Not
valid for travel on some Monday to Friday peak services, especially
to/from London. Definition of peak period is dependent on route.

There do exist CDRs with a specific no Break of Journey restriction,
but I have personally never come across one, and they're rare enough
that staff would probably not know about them.

Neil

In message gemini.j0epiy000rv9r03k8.stewart.brodie@ntlworld. com,
Stewart Brodie writes
So we've had the removal of the refreshments services, removal of the
onboard announcements from the lovely lady, and now bans on actually
travelling by train. I wonder what other improvements First have lined up?

On the ex-Thameslink line, the new pocket timetables no longer show by
shading which morning trains count as 'peak hour' so requiring expensive
tickets. When I complained, the reply was that this was to impose
uniformity with their other lines, where they have, apparently, never
bothered to show such useful information.

This reveals quite well, I think, the quality of the management of this
company. I thought that it would be impossible for any company to make
one hanker for the days of Thameslink, but I was wrong. On the
Brighton-Bedford service, as well, the reliability has gone down a lot
since First Capital Connect took over.



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Clive Page

Just got this in - does this mean protestors have won the war?

http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews.asp...on_rail_routes

Thursday, 29th June 2006 14:23

FirstGroup backs down on plans for fare restrictions on London rail
routes

LONDON (AFX) - UK rail and bus operator FirstGroup PLC is changing its
plans for new restrictions on rail fares on its London routes after
pressure from passenger watchdogs.

First said it is reducing the number of stations affected by the new
restrictions introduced on June 11 after complaints from London
Travelwatch and Passenger Focus.

The company, which took over the Thameslink and Great Northern rail
routes from National Express Group PLC in April, banned the use of
cheap day returns on northbound weekday services from London to
stations outside the London Travelcard zones between 4.30pm and 7pm.

First said the measure was primarily designed to reduce overcrowding
and said it was only expected to result in a small increase in revenue.

However, watchdogs criticised the measures, saying they effectively
represented large fare increases and would discourage public transport
use.

A FirstGroup spokesman said the company had decided to make the
changes, which reportedly involve cutting the number of stations
affected by the restrictions from 37 to 27, after meeting the watchdogs
yesterday.

'After a fruitful discussion with London Travelwatch and Passenger
Focus, we have agreed to changes to these restrictions to address
issues raised by the groups,' he said.

The spokesman added that First plans to try to ease the overcrowding
problem in the longer term by acquiring extra rolling stock from other
operators and investigating potential infrastructure improvements.



paw/nes


Paul Oter wrote:
New ticket restrictions have been announced with effect from next
Monday to services which depart from King's Cross to Cambridge in the
evening peak. This was expected but this is the first time I've seen a
definitive announcement.

According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", from
that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day
Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no
longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate]
between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. In addition to this Network
AwayBreaks and Saver tickets are not valid on services which depart
from these services between 1730 and 1830 Monday to Friday."

These restrictions apply to passengers returning from a variety of
inner London stations to stations between Potters Bar to Waterbeach
inclusive. The leaflet explicitly states that passengers returning to
Ely and points north thereof are not affected.

Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the
Thameslink route to Bedford.

PaulO

In article .com,
(Rob) wrote:

A FirstGroup spokesman said the company had decided to make the
changes, which reportedly involve cutting the number of stations
affected by the restrictions from 37 to 27, after meeting the
watchdogs yesterday.

Anyone know which stations this affects?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article .com,
(Rob) wrote:

A FirstGroup spokesman said the company had decided to make the
changes, which reportedly involve cutting the number of stations
affected by the restrictions from 37 to 27, after meeting the
watchdogs yesterday.

Anyone know which stations this affects?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

I've managed to leave the ES on the train, but it was mainly smaller
stations, including from what I can remember Welwyn Garden City,
Potters Bar and others around there.

Not Cambridge or Bedford though!

In article om,
(SamB) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article .com,
(Rob) wrote:

A FirstGroup spokesman said the company had decided to make the
changes, which reportedly involve cutting the number of stations
affected by the restrictions from 37 to 27, after meeting the
watchdogs yesterday.

Anyone know which stations this affects?

I've managed to leave the ES on the train, but it was mainly smaller
stations, including from what I can remember Welwyn Garden City,
Potters Bar and others around there.

Not Cambridge or Bedford though!

:-((

--
Colin Rosenstiel