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New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
New ticket restrictions have been announced with effect from next
Monday to services which depart from King's Cross to Cambridge in the evening peak. This was expected but this is the first time I've seen a definitive announcement. According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. In addition to this Network AwayBreaks and Saver tickets are not valid on services which depart from these services between 1730 and 1830 Monday to Friday." These restrictions apply to passengers returning from a variety of inner London stations to stations between Potters Bar to Waterbeach inclusive. The leaflet explicitly states that passengers returning to Ely and points north thereof are not affected. Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. PaulO |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
"Paul Oter" wrote:
New ticket restrictions have been announced with effect from next Monday to services which depart from King's Cross to Cambridge in the evening peak. This was expected but this is the first time I've seen a definitive announcement. So we've had the removal of the refreshments services, removal of the onboard announcements from the lovely lady, and now bans on actually travelling by train. I wonder what other improvements First have lined up? I notice that they've made a start on their number one priority: repainting the trains or putting stickers on the side. According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. In addition to this Network AwayBreaks and Saver tickets are not valid on services which depart from these services between 1730 and 1830 Monday to Friday." Are they allowed to change the terms & conditions of tickets that have already been issued? e.g. if I'd bought my Saver ticket 3 weeks ago (it allows the return journey up to 1 month from the ticket date) -- Stewart Brodie |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message .com, at
14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter remarked: According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", The new timetable starts then. from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. Are Network Card discounted tickets still OK? Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. MML still accept off-peak Travelcards in the evening rush, so this may shift even more of the Luton/Bedford crowd off Thameslink and onto MML. -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry wrote:
According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", The new timetable starts then. from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. Are Network Card discounted tickets still OK? I tried to look this up, but weirdly, the FCC website doesn't seem to have the new restrictions loaded - if you search for tickets from Cambridge to London on Fri June 16, it's happy to sell you CDRs and SVRs on FCC with the return leg during the 'banned' hours. (I recommend taking advantage of this if you need to make the relevant journey - while the tickets will technically be invalid, there is absolutely no way the company could get away with enforcing this). AFAIK every other peak-evening restriction does still allow Network Card tickets, although of course you need to buy a Network Card SDR not a CDR. Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. MML still accept off-peak Travelcards in the evening rush, so this may shift even more of the Luton/Bedford crowd off Thameslink and onto MML. ....although possibly not for very long; certainly if I were an MML manager I'd be looking at bringing my rules into line with FCC's. It seems a bit of a draconian restriction set for a surburban operator - the FGW rule where cheap tickets can only be used on slow trains (effectively also the case on the WCML with the Virgin/Silverlink split) is more reasonable. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry wrote: In message .com, at 14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter remarked: According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", The new timetable starts then. from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. Are Network Card discounted tickets still OK? Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. Wow. If travelling from Peterborough mid morning and back between 1830 and 1900 it will be £15 cheaper to buy a walk on CDR and use GNER than a SDR on FCC! And the journey time will be quicker too! |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message .com, at
00:45:01 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, John B remarked: Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. MML still accept off-peak Travelcards in the evening rush, so this may shift even more of the Luton/Bedford crowd off Thameslink and onto MML. ...although possibly not for very long; certainly if I were an MML manager I'd be looking at bringing my rules into line with FCC's. There's something funny going on, either a change of policy or a bug (surely there's not a rule that you can't buy a Travelcard more than a month in advance?). Currently (and until 5th July) you can get a Kettering-London Offpeak Travelcard for £30, but on 6th July and after the cheapest ticket to return in the evening peak is apparently a SOR at £57. (A Saver, restricted in the evening of course, is £32.70) If that's a permanent change, not a hiccup, the cost of most of my trips to St Pancras has just gone up thirty quid. It seems a bit of a draconian restriction set for a surburban operator - the FGW rule where cheap tickets can only be used on slow trains (effectively also the case on the WCML with the Virgin/Silverlink split) is more reasonable. We seem to have reached a "tipping point" where the rule that you can use off-peak tickets on suburban, but not the long distance, is blown apart. -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
John B wrote:
It seems a bit of a draconian restriction set for a surburban operator - the FGW rule where cheap tickets can only be used on slow trains (effectively also the case on the WCML with the Virgin/Silverlink split) is more reasonable. Depends on capacity constraints - it may well be that the commuter trains are more overloaded than the ICs. There is a precedent to all this; off-peak tickets were not allowed between 1600 and 1800 in the Merseytravel area for a long time. I have a feeling, but might be wrong, this only applies to the City Lines these days, as the Northern and Wirral Lines have a lot more capacity. That said, all this could lead to an interesting fares anomaly, in that an off-peak travelcard and a peak single back, or a SDR and an off-peak travelcard bought separately, may now be cheaper than the available through ticket. Neil |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Paul Oter wrote:
According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. In addition to this Network AwayBreaks and Saver tickets are not valid on services which depart from these services between 1730 and 1830 Monday to Friday." These restrictions apply to passengers returning from a variety of inner London stations to stations between Potters Bar to Waterbeach inclusive. The leaflet explicitly states that passengers returning to Ely and points north thereof are not affected. So what's to stop Cambridge travellers buying an Ely-London cheap day return and using that? Does the small print prevent this? Sam |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message . com, at
01:54:20 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Neil Williams remarked: all this could lead to an interesting fares anomaly, in that an off-peak travelcard and a peak single back, or a SDR and an off-peak travelcard bought separately, may now be cheaper than the available through ticket. For years it was cheaper to buy a SOS from Royston to London (for use in the morning peak) and a Network Card SOS back (which was valid in the evening peak). That's because the route didn't have a Peak Travelcard (only the more common off-peak ones). Eventually they [WAGN] did introduce the peak Travelcard (for the right price), and saved a lot of paper and ticket office queues. -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message . com, at
02:55:48 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Sam Holloway remarked: According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. In addition to this Network AwayBreaks and Saver tickets are not valid on services which depart from these services between 1730 and 1830 Monday to Friday." These restrictions apply to passengers returning from a variety of inner London stations to stations between Potters Bar to Waterbeach inclusive. The leaflet explicitly states that passengers returning to Ely and points north thereof are not affected. So what's to stop Cambridge travellers buying an Ely-London cheap day return and using that? Does the small print prevent this? Exiting at Cambridge in the evening is a Break of Journey (are they allowed on the return half of a CDR?) It's never been clear whether or not joining at Cambridge in the morning is also a BOJ or not. But without gates [yet] or a ticket check at Cambridge, you'd get away with it. -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In article . com,
Neil Williams wrote: That said, all this could lead to an interesting fares anomaly, in that an off-peak travelcard and a peak single back, or a SDR and an off-peak travelcard bought separately, may now be cheaper than the available through ticket. OK, how does one go about getting one of those Oyster things? |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message , at 10:26:25 on Tue, 6
Jun 2006, Sarah Brown remarked: OK, how does one go about getting one of those Oyster things? Not valid as far as Cambridge, yet. But you can get one if you fill in a form at any LUL ticket office, or order online: https://sales.oystercard.com/oyster/...action=display -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry wrote: Exiting at Cambridge in the evening is a Break of Journey (are they allowed on the return half of a CDR?) I thought exiting at Cambridge would be "abandoning" the journey which is allowed at any station en-route. IIRC a BOJ would be if you left, came back, and continued the journey |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
C! wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: Exiting at Cambridge in the evening is a Break of Journey (are they allowed on the return half of a CDR?) I thought exiting at Cambridge would be "abandoning" the journey which is allowed at any station en-route. IIRC a BOJ would be if you left, came back, and continued the journey A house in Cambridge. Knock at door, circa 10pm "Excuse me, sir, but it seems that you have abandoned your journey. Please come with us, so we can put you on a train to Ely." Sam |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message .com, at
04:17:05 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, C! remarked: Exiting at Cambridge in the evening is a Break of Journey (are they allowed on the return half of a CDR?) I thought exiting at Cambridge would be "abandoning" the journey which is allowed at any station en-route. IIRC a BOJ would be if you left, came back, and continued the journey I think I'd need to see the actual rule in black and white before commenting further. It's possible that you can leave the station freely, and that the only restriction is on re-entering; but what do the words say? -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message .com, at
04:21:56 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Sam Holloway remarked: I thought exiting at Cambridge would be "abandoning" the journey which is allowed at any station en-route. IIRC a BOJ would be if you left, came back, and continued the journey A house in Cambridge. Knock at door, circa 10pm "Excuse me, sir, but it seems that you have abandoned your journey. Please come with us, so we can put you on a train to Ely." Airlines have attempted to surcharge people who buy a cheaper ticket than only use part of it (they regard it as fraud). And they are usually quite fierce about cancelling the whole ticket if you fail to turn up at the origin [eg failing to do London-Paris on a London-Paris-New York ticket.] -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry wrote:
In message .com, at 04:17:05 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, C! remarked: Exiting at Cambridge in the evening is a Break of Journey (are they allowed on the return half of a CDR?) I thought exiting at Cambridge would be "abandoning" the journey which is allowed at any station en-route. IIRC a BOJ would be if you left, came back, and continued the journey I think I'd need to see the actual rule in black and white before commenting further. That's breaking the spirit of cam.*, where everyone comments knowledgeably on everything :-) -- Alan SPAM BLOCK IN USE! Replace 'deadspam.com' with 'penguinclub.org.uk' to reply in email. |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry wrote:
Exiting at Cambridge in the evening is a Break of Journey (are they allowed on the return half of a CDR?) They're allowed on both halves, except a few specific flows where there is a specific restriction prohibiting it. It's never been clear whether or not joining at Cambridge in the morning is also a BOJ or not. This is the trouble... Neil |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
On 6 Jun 2006 05:22:09 -0700, Neil Williams wrote:
It's never been clear whether or not joining at Cambridge in the morning is also a BOJ or not. This is the trouble... NCoC: "'Break your journey' means leaving a Train Company's or Rail Service Company's premises after you start your journey other than to: -Join a train at another station, or -Stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete your journey within one day, or -comply with directions of Train Company's staff." I think it's quite clear that starting at Cambridge on an Ely-London ticket doesn't fit the definition of a BoJ. |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message , at 14:18:01 on
Tue, 6 Jun 2006, asdf remarked: NCoC: "'Break your journey' means leaving a Train Company's or Rail Service Company's premises after you start your journey other than to: -Join a train at another station, or -Stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete your journey within one day, or -comply with directions of Train Company's staff." I think it's quite clear that starting at Cambridge on an Ely-London ticket doesn't fit the definition of a BoJ. But abandoning the journey does appear to fit that definition. Although leaving the premises at the end of your journey isn't mentioned either, and that's not a BoJ :( -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry wrote:
In message .com, at 04:21:56 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Sam Holloway remarked: I thought exiting at Cambridge would be "abandoning" the journey which is allowed at any station en-route. IIRC a BOJ would be if you left, came back, and continued the journey A house in Cambridge. Knock at door, circa 10pm "Excuse me, sir, but it seems that you have abandoned your journey. Please come with us, so we can put you on a train to Ely." Airlines have attempted to surcharge people who buy a cheaper ticket than only use part of it (they regard it as fraud). And they are usually quite fierce about cancelling the whole ticket if you fail to turn up at the origin [eg failing to do London-Paris on a London-Paris-New York ticket.] The only workaround appears to be to actually fly to the real origin on a separate ticket. It is still much cheaper to do so for some airlines, though. -- Stewart Brodie |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In message gemini.j0g0ne000bswf01uc.stewart.brodie@ntlworld. com, at
14:33:28 on Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Stewart Brodie remarked: Airlines have attempted to surcharge people who buy a cheaper ticket than only use part of it (they regard it as fraud). And they are usually quite fierce about cancelling the whole ticket if you fail to turn up at the origin [eg failing to do London-Paris on a London-Paris-New York ticket.] The only workaround appears to be to actually fly to the real origin on a separate ticket. It is still much cheaper to do so for some airlines, though. Maybe we'll see people catching a train to Ely, just to come back on an offpeak travelcard to London, then return as far as Cambridge in the evening peak? -- Roland Perry |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
I read in a St Albans paper that you can get an unrestricted day return
to Elstree and Borehamwood, and then a zone 6 travelcard from there. Works out much cheaper than buying a full priced Travelcard from St Albans. Dont know if anyone can confirm this Rob Paul Oter wrote: New ticket restrictions have been announced with effect from next Monday to services which depart from King's Cross to Cambridge in the evening peak. This was expected but this is the first time I've seen a definitive announcement. According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. In addition to this Network AwayBreaks and Saver tickets are not valid on services which depart from these services between 1730 and 1830 Monday to Friday." These restrictions apply to passengers returning from a variety of inner London stations to stations between Potters Bar to Waterbeach inclusive. The leaflet explicitly states that passengers returning to Ely and points north thereof are not affected. Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. PaulO |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry
Airlines have attempted to surcharge people who buy a cheaper ticket than only use part of it (they regard it as fraud). [...] The key word being 'attempted'. I know people who made 'open jaw' journeys like that on routes which don't offer sane one-way prices, but don't know of any successful surcharge. It would be a bit stupid to penalise one's customers for buying more than they use, as the seat can be sold again last-minute if there's still demand. |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
On Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:26:25 GMT, Sarah Brown
wrote: In article . com, Neil Williams wrote: That said, all this could lead to an interesting fares anomaly, in that an off-peak travelcard and a peak single back, or a SDR and an off-peak travelcard bought separately, may now be cheaper than the available through ticket. OK, how does one go about getting one of those Oyster things? Oyster cards have a very limited applicability to the issue under discussion. There is a limited amount of Pre-Pay acceptance on the FCC lines across zone 1 for Thameslink and Moorgate / KX - Finsbury Park for the Cambridge / Peterborough lines. The only other ticket in Oyster format would be a Travelcard based season which is not affected by the new restrictions. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
"John B" wrote in message oups.com... It seems a bit of a draconian restriction set for a surburban operator - the FGW rule where cheap tickets can only be used on slow trains (effectively also the case on the WCML with the Virgin/Silverlink split) is more reasonable. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org I see the BBC have a story about it - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5052494.stm As usual, it starts with the word 'commuter', which in the BBC seems to be synonymous with 'passenger' or 'traveller'. The TOC would no doubt argue that CDRs are not intended for regular commuter use. Paul |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Roland Perry wrote: In message .com, at 14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter remarked: According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", The new timetable starts then. from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. Are Network Card discounted tickets still OK? Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. MML still accept off-peak Travelcards in the evening rush, so this may shift even more of the Luton/Bedford crowd off Thameslink and onto MML. According to the FCC leaflet - and the article on tonight's Evening Standard, the restrictions apply also on MML (and GNER). PaulO |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
PRAR wrote: DERWENT New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:04:28 +0100, Roland Perry In message .com, at 14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter remarked: According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", The new timetable starts then. from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. Is this only for out-boundary Travel Cards or can you really not use travel card for journeys suchas Moorgate - Finsbury Park? Journeys entirely within the travelcard area are not affected, it says... PaulO |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message .com, at 14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter remarked: According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", The new timetable starts then. from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. Are Network Card discounted tickets still OK? Similar restrictions have been introduced to Peterborough and on the Thameslink route to Bedford. MML still accept off-peak Travelcards in the evening rush, so this may shift even more of the Luton/Bedford crowd off Thameslink and onto MML. The leaflet is at http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...DL_Leaflet.pdf I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys. Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where you split your ticket. Peter |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
"PRAR" wrote in message ... DERWENT New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:04:28 +0100, Roland Perry In message .com, at 14:17:31 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Paul Oter remarked: According to a new leaflet "Ticket Changes from 11th June 2006", The new timetable starts then. from that date "the return portion of Cheap Day return, One (sic) Day Travelcard (off-peak), Family Travelcard and DaySave tickets are no longer valid on services departing from [King's Cross and Moorgate] between 1630 and 1901 Monday to Friday. Is this only for out-boundary Travel Cards or can you really not use travel card for journeys suchas Moorgate - Finsbury Park? As I read the leaflet you can use any ODTC, including an out-boundary one, for an evening peak journey entirely within the Travelcard zones. Peter |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Peter Masson wrote:
I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys. Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where you split your ticket. I think the leaflet is badly-worded, and it would in fact be necessary to split tickets to get around the restriction. While FCC have no control over what happens within the Travelcard area as such, it is surprising that the restrictions have not been applied closer in. Neil |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
DERWENT New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to
Cambridge Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:18:01 +0100, asdf NCoC: "'Break your journey' means leaving a Train Company's or Rail Service Company's premises after you start your journey other than to: -Join a train at another station, or -Stay in overnight accommodation when you cannot reasonably complete your journey within one day, or -comply with directions of Train Company's staff." I think it's quite clear that starting at Cambridge on an Ely-London ticket doesn't fit the definition of a BoJ. So break you journey immediately at Ely then restart it at Cambridge, having made your own way between the two stations. PRAR -- http://www.i.am/prar/ and http://prar.fotopic.net/ As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. --Dick Cavett Please reply to the newsgroup. That is why it exists. NB Anti-spam measures in force - If you must email me use the Reply to address and not |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
On 6 Jun 2006 12:48:07 -0700, "Neil Williams"
wrote: Peter Masson wrote: I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys. Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where you split your ticket. I think the leaflet is badly-worded, and it would in fact be necessary to split tickets to get around the restriction. While FCC have no control over what happens within the Travelcard area as such, it is surprising that the restrictions have not been applied closer in. I think they would have applied them further in if they could have got away with it. I've forgotten which ticket types are subject to controls as part of the privatisation process - I assume CDRs are not part of the regulated bundle of ticket types? I can vaguely understand why an Inter City train operator may wish to impose some restrictions on some journeys but this is blatant profiteering by First. It must also have been endorsed by the DfT as part of accepting the franchise proposals - I wonder when GoVia will introduce the same policy on the South Eastern franchise. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In article . com,
Sam Holloway wrote: So what's to stop Cambridge travellers buying an Ely-London cheap day return and using that? Does the small print prevent this? Will the ticket offices at Cambridge sell that one? Failing that, I guess I could always either drive to Ely (despite living within short walking distance of Cambridge station), or buy a single to Ely, and then a travelcard once at Ely. |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
In article ,
Paul Corfield wrote: Oyster cards have a very limited applicability to the issue under discussion. There is a limited amount of Pre-Pay acceptance on the FCC lines across zone 1 for Thameslink and Moorgate / KX - Finsbury Park for the Cambridge / Peterborough lines. The only other ticket in Oyster format would be a Travelcard based season which is not affected by the new restrictions. My reasoning is that when I go to London, I can buy a standard return (and therefore use peak time trains), and use the Oyster for Underground travel. At the moment I'm buying a day return from Cambridge to London/Travelcard combined ticket. |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Sarah Brown wrote:
Will the ticket offices at Cambridge sell that one? They should do: all stations should sell all tickets available on the national network. (Excluding 'experimental' fares like Megatrain). I'm not quite sure of where to find the rules stating that to wave at them though. Failing that, I guess I could always either drive to Ely (despite living within short walking distance of Cambridge station), or buy a single to Ely, and then a travelcard once at Ely. You could also buy your tickets on the internet and collect them from the machines at Cambridge once that's enabled (though I note they currently have notices saying pre-booked tickets should be collected from the ticket office, which surprised me since Qjump etc don't list Cambridge as a collection point so I thought collection wasn't officially provided at Cambridge). Or buy them in advance from the advance purchase window. Theo |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
Sarah Brown wrote:
Sam Holloway wrote: So what's to stop Cambridge travellers buying an Ely-London cheap day return and using that? Does the small print prevent this? Will the ticket offices at Cambridge sell that one? Failing that, I guess I could always either drive to Ely (despite living within short walking distance of Cambridge station), or buy a single to Ely, and then a travelcard once at Ely. Sadly, tickets are non-transferrable, otherwise I could start a lucrative business buying tickets for people in Ely station and posting them to Cambridge. :-) You can certainly buy tickets from Ely that start at Cambridge (e.g. if you hold Ely-Cam season ticket and want to travel to London, you can buy the Cam-London part from Ely). Sam |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:58:03 +0100, Peter Masson wrote:
I can't see how they can make the restrictions stick in the case of trains which call at stations like Alexandria Palace or Mill Hill Broadway. CDRs are val;id for break of journey, and ODTCs are valid for multiple journeys. Journeys from Central London to these stations (or others in Zone C on the leaflet) are unrestricted in the evening peak, as aqre journeys from Zone C northwards - all you have to do is to break your journey at a Zone C station. Does it count as break of journey if you resume your journey on the same train? Alter4natively you could of course split tickets at a Zone C station, though your train both ways would have to call at the station where you split your ticket. That would be hugely inconvenient if you live north of about Welwyn GC, as you'd have to get an all-stations service at least as far as Potters Bar. It could (at a guess) add 30-60 minutes to your journey (your usual train could be first stop Letchworth or St Neots). |
New evening ticket restrictions from King's Cross to Cambridge
On 6 Jun 2006 08:42:34 -0700, Rob wrote:
I read in a St Albans paper that you can get an unrestricted day return to Elstree and Borehamwood, and then a zone 6 travelcard from there. Works out much cheaper than buying a full priced Travelcard from St Albans. Dont know if anyone can confirm this Yes, but only if you travel on trains that call at Elstree & Borehamwood. |
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