What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

I only ask because I thought they only had their police powers on railway
property and a few other transport related areas (but specifically NOT roads).
However the other day I saw a BTP marked car pull over an elderly motorist on
a main road.
Are they allowed to do this or should they have called the local plod to
do it for them? If they do have police powers outside their usual areas
does this now extend to anywhere in the country (given they're a nationwide
force)?

B2003

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:27:50 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I only ask because I thought they only had their police powers on railway
property and a few other transport related areas (but specifically NOT roads).
However the other day I saw a BTP marked car pull over an elderly motorist on
a main road.
Are they allowed to do this or should they have called the local plod to
do it for them? If they do have police powers outside their usual areas
does this now extend to anywhere in the country (given they're a nationwide
force)?

Their powers were extended some years ago, I guess in the last 5-10
years.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

David Hansen wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:27:50 +0000 (UTC) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I only ask because I thought they only had their police powers on railway
property and a few other transport related areas (but specifically NOT roads).
However the other day I saw a BTP marked car pull over an elderly motorist on
a main road.
Are they allowed to do this or should they have called the local plod to
do it for them? If they do have police powers outside their usual areas
does this now extend to anywhere in the country (given they're a nationwide
force)?

Their powers were extended some years ago, I guess in the last 5-10
years.



As long as the motorist doesn't go over County Line

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

wrote in message
I only ask because I thought they only had their police powers on railway
property and a few other transport related areas (but specifically NOT
roads).
However the other day I saw a BTP marked car pull over an elderly motorist
on
a main road.
Are they allowed to do this or should they have called the local plod to
do it for them? If they do have police powers outside their usual areas
does this now extend to anywhere in the country (given they're a
nationwide
force)?

Section 26 of the Anti-terrorism, crime and security Act 2001 says,

26. Sections 98 to 101 and Schedule 7 allow the British Transport Police
("BTP") to act outside their railways jurisdiction when asked to assist with
a specific incident by a constable from the local police force, the UKAEA
constabulary or a Ministry of Defence Police ("MDP") officer, and in an
emergency. The changes also give BTP officers certain powers available to
local police officers, including powers under the Terrorism Act 2000 and
powers to enter into mutual aid agreements with other forces.

Section 100 says,

100 Jurisdiction of transport police

(1) Where a member of the British Transport Police Force has
been requested by a constable of-

(a) the police force for any police area,
(b) the Ministry of Defence Police, or
(c) the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority Constabulary,
("the requesting force") to assist him in the execution of his
duties in relation to a particular incident, investigation or operation,
members of the British Transport Police Force have for the purposes of that
incident, investigation or operation the same powers and privileges as
constables of the requesting force.

(2) Members of the British Transport Police Force have in any
police area the same powers and privileges as constables of the police force
for that police area-

(a) in relation to persons whom they suspect on reasonable grounds
of having committed, being in the course of committing or being about to
commit an offence, or
(b) if they believe on reasonable grounds that they need those
powers and privileges in order to save life or to prevent or minimise
personal injury.
(3) But members of the British Transport Police Force have
powers and privileges by virtue of subsection (2) only if-

(a) they are in uniform or have with them documentary evidence that
they are members of that Force, and
(b) they believe on reasonable grounds that a power of a constable
which they would not have apart from that subsection ought to be exercised
and that, if it cannot be exercised until they secure the attendance of or a
request under subsection (1) by a constable who has it, the purpose for
which they believe it ought to be exercised will be frustrated or seriously
prejudiced.
(4) In this section-

"British Transport Police Force" means the constables appointed
under section 53 of the British Transport Commission Act 1949 (c. xxix).
Hope that helps.
Ian

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:59:57 GMT someone who may be
"www.waspies.net" wrote this:-

As long as the motorist doesn't go over County Line

Such things don't apply to BTP. ISTR this has been or is about to be
changed for local police forces as well.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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Ian wrote:

Section 26 of the Anti-terrorism, crime and security Act 2001 says,

(snip)

Section 100 says,

100 Jurisdiction of transport police

(1) Where a member of the British Transport Police Force has
been requested by a constable of-

(a) the police force for any police area,
(b) the Ministry of Defence Police, or
(c) the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority Constabulary

O/T but for the sake of completeness - the UKAEA Constabulary have now
been reformed as the Civil Nuclear Constabulary [1]. As well as what is
said in the Wikipedia entry, I think the change was also to do with
disembedding the police force from the UKAEA, given that the government
wishes to privatise it in an attempt to create a competetive market in
decommisioning nuclear power stations and other civil nuclear sites.

Back on topic, thanks for your post Ian, it's good to read the actual
legislation that covers this matter.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Atom...y_Constabulary

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

wrote:
I only ask because I thought they only had their police powers on railway
property and a few other transport related areas (but specifically NOT roads).
However the other day I saw a BTP marked car pull over an elderly motorist on
a main road.
Are they allowed to do this or should they have called the local plod to
do it for them? If they do have police powers outside their usual areas
does this now extend to anywhere in the country (given they're a nationwide
force)?

B2003
The jurisdiction always used to be, "In, on and in the vicinity of
premises and elsewhere in matters affecting the Board (BRB)". Within
that jurisdiction they have full police powers. Properly used, the
combination of jurisdiction and powers covers the whole of England and
Wales (Scotland requires separate oath swearing).

I cannot imagine that any recent changes have reduced their powers.
For example, they may have needed to stop the elderly motorist as he
had left premises in suspicious circumstances. Who knows he may have
had a stolen class 47 in his boot!
George

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

wrote in message
...
I only ask because I thought they only had their police powers on railway
property and a few other transport related areas (but specifically NOT
roads).
However the other day I saw a BTP marked car pull over an elderly motorist
on
a main road.
Are they allowed to do this or should they have called the local plod
to
do it for them? If they do have police powers outside their usual areas
does this now extend to anywhere in the country (given they're a
nationwide
force)?

Any Police Officer in any force in the UK has has jurisdiction anywhere in
the UK. They may, for operational reasons, be instructed to leave certain
types of offences/incidents to the "local" plod.

If fact, doesn't any EU Police Officer have jurisdiction in the UK as well,
for
offences that were allegedly committed on their home soil ?

Richard [in SG19]



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On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:13:37 +0100 someone who may be "Richard M
Willis" wrote this:-

Any Police Officer in any force in the UK has has jurisdiction anywhere in
the UK. They may, for operational reasons, be instructed to leave certain
types of offences/incidents to the "local" plod.

It might not be a good idea to try this in Northern Ireland.

In this country when the English police were imported for the
gathering of criminals at Gleneagles this time last year ISTR that
they had to have something done to them to make them Scottish
officers.

One of the reasons why many of the malicious prosecutions resulting
from that gathering were eventually abandoned was that these English
police officers were devoid of any useful knowledge of the law here.
The Bluff and Bluster Act didn't cut the mustard.

Instead of wasting their time and my money behaving like arseholes
here they might have been better employed in London looking out for
people with exploding rucksacks.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

David Hansen wrote:

In this country when the English police were imported for the
gathering of criminals at Gleneagles this time last year ...

Geldof is a bit of an unattractive character (IMHO), but calling him and
his cohorts "criminals" could be seen as libellous - you need to be more
careful.

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:06:11 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

David Hansen wrote:

In this country when the English police were imported for the
gathering of criminals at Gleneagles this time last year ...

Geldof is a bit of an unattractive character (IMHO), but calling him and
his cohorts "criminals" could be seen as libellous - you need to be more
careful.

I don't think he meant Geldof. IIRC he didn't get to Gleneagles, ICBW.

I think he meant Yul Grinner, and his mate who talks a bit funny.

DG

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

"David Hansen" wrote:

Instead of wasting their time and my money behaving like arseholes
here they might have been better employed in London looking out for
people with exploding rucksacks.

But not searching or scanning the exploding rucksacks, because you wouldn't
like that either.

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

In ,
Huge said:
On 2006-07-03, JNugent wrote:
David Hansen wrote:

In this country when the English police were imported for the
gathering of criminals at Gleneagles this time last year ...

Geldof is a bit of an unattractive character (IMHO), but calling him
and his cohorts "criminals" could be seen as libellous - you need to
be more careful.

Well, quite. But then, Hansen seems to be a little confused as
to where he lives, since this is all one country.

Yet another demonstration of your ignorance and bigotry..

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

In ,
said:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:06:11 +0100, JNugent
wrote:


Geldof is a bit of an unattractive character (IMHO),
Geldof like many more in this country is a do gooder he sits there
going on about the poor people of Africa and like many more of the
same ilk they don't even think about never mind mention the poor
people of the UK . They can damn well starve to death before Geldof
and his merry men will do anything for them .
Charity begins at home .

How many people in the UK are literally starving?

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:15:51 +0100, "Brimstone"
wrote:

Charity begins at home .

How many people in the UK are literally starving?


You wouldn't believe us if we told you.

But the lily livered pinko lefties can't have it all ways up.

If I have to be guilty as hell of guilty of having "relative
affluence" (the opposite of "relative poverty") because the
betattooed chavs can't all afford PVR's and HDTV, and their kids can't
always have the latest model brand name running shoes and the
currrent football T shirts, well so be it, and BTW, if you weren't
aware it's a disgrace they can't afford precooked convenience foods
every day, not to mention Mickey D's 5 times per week.

I'll feel as guilty as hell.

And ***** Africa* because then that obviously *is* a lost cause.

As the man says "Charity Begins at Home".

There's only so much guilt to go around. There *is* a limit.

DG

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

In ,
Huge said:
On 2006-07-03, Brimstone wrote:
In ,
Huge said:
On 2006-07-03, JNugent wrote:
David Hansen wrote:

In this country when the English police were imported for the
gathering of criminals at Gleneagles this time last year ...

Geldof is a bit of an unattractive character (IMHO), but calling
him and his cohorts "criminals" could be seen as libellous - you
need to be more careful.

Well, quite. But then, Hansen seems to be a little confused as
to where he lives, since this is all one country.

Yet another demonstration of your ignorance and bigotry..

Superior knowledge of politics & geography, maybe. Just because
Hansen thinks it's a seperate country, and you're too stupid
to think of an argument other than 'ad hominem' doesn't make
make me wrong.

I'd dearly love to see Scotland get complete independence, then we
can stop pouring subsidy into their grasping little hands and
listening to the whining about how hard done by they are, but until
then,
it's all one country, no matter what that toy Assembly they ****ed
away oh-so-very-much of the UK taxpayers money on thinks. They
got it because Westminster gave it to them. Who's the Daddy,
exactly?

Thank you for the additional ddemonstration.

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:03:32 +0100, David Hansen wrote:

In this country when the English police were imported for the
gathering of criminals at Gleneagles this time last year ISTR that
they had to have something done to them to make them Scottish
officers.

A lobotomy, HTH.

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:13:37 +0100 someone who may be "Richard M
Willis" wrote this:-

Any Police Officer in any force in the UK has has jurisdiction anywhere in
the UK. They may, for operational reasons, be instructed to leave certain
types of offences/incidents to the "local" plod.

It might not be a good idea to try this in Northern Ireland.

In this country when the English police were imported for the
gathering of criminals at Gleneagles this time last year ISTR that
they had to have something done to them to make them Scottish
officers.

Wasn't the castration a little drastic?



IanH

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:33:13 +0100 someone who may be "Chris Read"
wrote this:-

But not searching or scanning the exploding rucksacks, because you wouldn't
like that either.

If they wish to scan rucksacks and luggage that is one thing.
However, that is very different from perverts running their hands
all over someone.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

David Hansen wrote:

Instead of wasting their time and my money behaving like arseholes
here

They didn't behave like arseholes, and didn't need to - you are a big
enough arsehole (as evidenced by your montonous and inane whingeing in
various newsgroups) to cover Scotland on your own.

What is the jurisdiction of the BTP?
 

On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 23:16:03 +0100, David Hansen
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:59:57 GMT someone who may be
"www.waspies.net" wrote this:-

As long as the motorist doesn't go over County Line

Such things don't apply to BTP. ISTR this has been or is about to be
changed for local police forces as well.

Happened a long time ago. I was stopped by Sussex police in Surrey in
about 1982. (For having blown a fuse in the lighting circuit and thus
inadvertently failing to show tail lights at night, as it happens.)