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Tube could close in future heatwaves
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm
There are no such plans to close anything this summer. I think Livingstone is just thinking aloud on this issue - which is fair enough, given that much of the Underground system wasn't built with the possibilities of sustained heatwaves in mind. |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
In message .com,
Mizter T writes http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm There are no such plans to close anything this summer. I think Livingstone is just thinking aloud on this issue - which is fair enough, given that much of the Underground system wasn't built with the possibilities of sustained heatwaves in mind. We're all getting too damn soft and the media don't help. When I was a kid we just called it hot weather and got on with it. Now there are endless announcements to carry water and if you believe the news we're all about to suffer heat stroke. They'll be putting heat councillors on trains next :-) The stress of not being able to get home will far outweigh the stress of being a bit hot, so get Ken off his latest hobby horse and leave the Underground running. I could go on about the new improved London Transport that Ken promised us would be bought with the congestion charge money, but I think he's spent it all on community policing and the damn Olympics. -- Edward Cowling London UK |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
Edward Cowling London UK wrote: In message .com, Mizter T writes http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm There are no such plans to close anything this summer. I think Livingstone is just thinking aloud on this issue - which is fair enough, given that much of the Underground system wasn't built with the possibilities of sustained heatwaves in mind. We're all getting too damn soft and the media don't help. When I was a kid we just called it hot weather and got on with it. Now there are endless announcements to carry water and if you believe the news we're all about to suffer heat stroke. They'll be putting heat councillors on trains next :-) The stress of not being able to get home will far outweigh the stress of being a bit hot, so get Ken off his latest hobby horse and leave the Underground running. I could go on about the new improved London Transport that Ken promised us would be bought with the congestion charge money, but I think he's spent it all on community policing and the damn Olympics. -- Edward Cowling London UK Something that I have always puzzled over is that if people now wander off for more than 5 minutes from their home they have to take water with them to prevent dehydration. My journey into work this morning was an hour and a half, I drank tea before I left home and I reached work without dieing of thirst. Kevin |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
In message .com,
Mizter T writes I think Livingstone is just thinking aloud on this issue - which is fair enough, given that much of the Underground system wasn't built with the possibilities of sustained heatwaves in mind. Although average temperatures are now one degree higher than a century ago, there were several heatwaves in the Edwardian period - particularly 1911, which saw five months' of sustained high temperatures with a number of days exceeding 35C. But in those days much of the rolling stock was better designed for a through-flow of air, with relatively large "hopper" windows and, in a number of cases, open (but gated) platforms at the ends of carriages. I also suspect that staff were able to be much more pragmatic in dealing quickly with breakdowns. These days, H&S procedures often seem to endanger health and safety by causing long delays. As for all the reminders about carrying water (I was bombarded with them on the tube yesterday) - what next? Will nanny remind us to wrap up warm in cold weather and check that we have tied our shoelaces for fear that we might drip and fall down the gap? -- Paul Terry |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
Mizter T wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm "As temperatures inside carriages rose to well above 30C on Monday, Ken" 30C? Oh no, whatever will we do! When it reaches 45C I'll start to worry, temperature in the med never drops below 30C in summer. Of course, a 500ml bottle of water costs 50p in med countries, £2 in London. |
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Paul Weaver ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm "As temperatures inside carriages rose to well above 30C on Monday, Ken" 30C? Oh no, whatever will we do! Mmm. Quite. Temperatures *outside* rose to well above 30C, ffs... |
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Kev wrote:
Something that I have always puzzled over is that if people now wander off for more than 5 minutes from their home they have to take water with them to prevent dehydration. Or is it because mineral water is becoming a fashion statement? My journey into work this morning was an hour and a half, I drank tea before I left home and I reached work without dieing of thirst. Depends on the individual. I dehydrate very easily, especially in this kind of weather, so if I'm carrying any sort of bag it'll likely have a bottle of diluted squash in it somewhere (or similar). I've done this for years. Not everyone's the same, though. Neil |
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Weaver writes Mizter T wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm "As temperatures inside carriages rose to well above 30C on Monday, Ken" 30C? Oh no, whatever will we do! When it reaches 45C I'll start to worry, temperature in the med never drops below 30C in summer. Of course, a 500ml bottle of water costs 50p in med countries, £2 in London. Not if you fill it from the tap :-) -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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Edward Cowling London UK wrote: We're all getting too damn soft and the media don't help. When I was a kid we just called it hot weather and got on with it. Now there are endless announcements to carry water and if you believe the news we're all about to suffer heat stroke. They'll be putting heat councillors on trains next :-) -- Edward Cowling London UK To some extent what you say about us getting soft is true. On the other hand, when there was last a prolonged period of heat like this there were 2000 deaths in this country and 11000 in France. Presumably, there were as many, if not more, cases in the UK which required hospitalization. So too remind us to take sensible precautions is not stupid if it stops the NHS having to expend resources on treating people unnecessarily. It's a long, long time since I had to suffer the Tube in very hot weather - it is over 30 years, in fact, since I was a regular commuter. It was foul in those days - my understanding is that it is even more crowded now than it was then and, of course, the more people there are, the more heat is created just by the bodies. |
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Paul Weaver wrote:
When it reaches 45C I'll start to worry, temperature in the med never drops below 30C in summer. We have poorly ventilated trains and that's a problem, but to buy/lease new buses without air con is a joke (even in the winter, it's a good thing and keeps the windows from misting up). All this fuss about not being able to put air-con on the tube is one thing, but aircon isn't an expensive premium on a bus these days! Didn't TfL realise that our buses are still for a lot of the time? No movement means no airflow (especially with such tiny windows, presumably to stop people throwing things out). Of course, a 500ml bottle of water costs 50p in med countries, £2 in London. I thought the shops at Kings Cross were expensive, but I still only pay 95p for a bottle, or £1.20 for two bottles. Not cheap, but not a major rip off either. However, I don't care because whenever possible I simply refill a bottle with (cold) water from our office water machine, or before I leave in the morning! Sod expensive mineral water! Jonathan |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
jonmorris wrote: Of course, a 500ml bottle of water costs 50p in med countries, £2 in London. I thought the shops at Kings Cross were expensive, but I still only pay 95p for a bottle, or £1.20 for two bottles. Not cheap, but not a major rip off either. However, I don't care because whenever possible I simply refill a bottle with (cold) water from our office water machine, or before I leave in the morning! Sod expensive mineral water! Jonathan Doesn't anyone here ever go in a supermarket? A six pack of 500ml mineral waters costs about £2 (supermarket own brand). Buying in bulk reduces the price. Morrisons have an offer currently on, I think, Volvic in 5litre bottles for about the same price - not that I'm suggesting you take a 5l bottle to work, just refill a smaller one. |
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"Kev" wrote in message
Something that I have always puzzled over is that if people now wander off for more than 5 minutes from their home they have to take water with them to prevent dehydration. Will this mean that trains will now have to have functioning toilets on them more frequently ? Given that FCC were exhorting me to "always carry water with [me] at all times" and to "stay out of direct sunlight" (!duh), your average railway coach is going to be filled without 100 litre of bladders waiting to be emptied. Richard [in SG19] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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victormeldrewsyoungerbrother wrote:
Doesn't anyone here ever go in a supermarket? A six pack of 500ml mineral waters costs about £2 (supermarket own brand). Buying in bulk reduces the price. Morrisons have an offer currently on, I think, Volvic in 5litre bottles for about the same price - not that I'm suggesting you take a 5l bottle to work, just refill a smaller one. Indeed, I fill my £1.99 water bottle from the powwow water supply. I'm thinking more of cases where you are caught unprepared in town. Carts along the river, for example, are known to rip tourists off. |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
Neil Williams wrote:
Edward Cowling London UK wrote: The stress of not being able to get home will far outweigh the stress of being a bit hot, so get Ken off his latest hobby horse and leave the Underground running. Indeed. I could go on about the new improved London Transport that Ken promised us would be bought with the congestion charge money, but I think he's spent it all on community policing and the damn Olympics. A lot of it's gone on the bus network, to pretty good effect. The trouble is it was a little too successful, in that it did redirect people onto public transport, which means his income dropped. That lead to the price rise and the "make it easier to pay" stuff to encourage a few more people to drive and up the income again! Talking of buses and heatwaves, I noticed on a 14 yesterday that a new air cooling unit had been installed above the stairs on the top deck - and very welcome it was too. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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victormeldrewsyoungerbrother wrote:
Doesn't anyone here ever go in a supermarket? A six pack of 500ml mineral waters costs about £2 (supermarket own brand). Buying in bulk reduces the price. Yes, but I am trying to avoid carrying a bag with me so I don't really want to take two bottles in (one for the journey in, one for coming back) because I've stocked up at home. Incidentally, I take water because it's common sense, not because of the announcements telling me to do so in case I was too silly to work it out myself!! If I'm out and want a drink, I'll go to the nearest newsagent and buy one even if I have loads at home. If I was buying mineral water for home, I'd buy larger bottles because it's a huge waste of time getting all that additional packaging for a 0.5 litre bottle. Tap water does me fine anyway, so if they had tap water available at stations I'd simply use that. I only drink it to rehydrate, not to be seen drinking a fancy brand (but, I wouldn't have paid Coca Cola to drink bottled tap water either!!). Jonathan |
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jonmorris ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : Doesn't anyone here ever go in a supermarket? A six pack of 500ml mineral waters costs about £2 (supermarket own brand). Buying in bulk reduces the price. Yes, but I am trying to avoid carrying a bag with me so I don't really want to take two bottles in (one for the journey in, one for coming back) because I've stocked up at home. Isn't there a supermarket (even a Metro/Extra corner-shop-with-pretensions) near work? Keep a stock in your desk drawer? |
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victormeldrewsyoungerbrother wrote:
just refill a smaller one. ....out of the tap. I only tend to buy mineral water (rarely) for convenience, and because I like the fizzy stuff. If you're going to fill up, you might as well not bother. Neil |
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jonmorris wrote: Tap water does me fine anyway, so if they had tap water available at stations I'd simply use that. Can I nominate this for this newsgroups's "best idea of the day" award? Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. PaulO |
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Paul Oter ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : Tap water does me fine anyway, so if they had tap water available at stations I'd simply use that. Can I nominate this for this newsgroups's "best idea of the day" award? Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. Hmmm. Would you *really* trust a drinking fountain, considering what your fellow tube passengers may very well have been doing with it beforehand? |
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Edward Cowling London UK wrote:
We're all getting too damn soft and the media don't help. When I was a kid we just called it hot weather and got on with it. Now there are endless announcements to carry water and if you believe the news we're all about to suffer heat stroke. That's because in the past when people dropped dead on the tube, their relatives just grieved, buried their dead and got on with their lives. Now they sue. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p15036443.html (Original "Great Western" nameplate on 47 500, 1979) |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
Adrian wrote: Paul Oter ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Tap water does me fine anyway, so if they had tap water available at stations I'd simply use that. Can I nominate this for this newsgroups's "best idea of the day" award? Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. Hmmm. Would you *really* trust a drinking fountain, considering what your fellow tube passengers may very well have been doing with it beforehand? I also can't see the retailers who pay shed loads of money to Network Rail accepting that one either. Kevin |
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Neil Williams wrote:
victormeldrewsyoungerbrother wrote: just refill a smaller one. ...out of the tap. The rate things are going, it will be more expensive out of the tap than bottled water. |
Tube could close in future heatwaves
Adrian wrote: Paul Oter ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Tap water does me fine anyway, so if they had tap water available at stations I'd simply use that. Can I nominate this for this newsgroups's "best idea of the day" award? Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. Hmmm. Would you *really* trust a drinking fountain, considering what your fellow tube passengers may very well have been doing with it beforehand? It's not beyond the wit of man to devise a drinking fountain that is vandal-proof. Especially if it is in a well-supervised location like right next to the ticket barrier (and I'm referring to main stations here). PaulO |
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Kevin wrote: Paul Oter ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. I also can't see the retailers who pay shed loads of money to Network Rail accepting that one either. The retailers who pay shedloads of money to BAA at Heathrow and Gatwick appear to accept it. PaulO |
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On 4 Jul 2006 10:08:02 -0700, "Paul Oter"
wrote: Adrian wrote: Paul Oter ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Tap water does me fine anyway, so if they had tap water available at stations I'd simply use that. Can I nominate this for this newsgroups's "best idea of the day" award? Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. Hmmm. Would you *really* trust a drinking fountain, considering what your fellow tube passengers may very well have been doing with it beforehand? It's not beyond the wit of man to devise a drinking fountain that is vandal-proof. Especially if it is in a well-supervised location like right next to the ticket barrier (and I'm referring to main stations here). Many older drinking fountains were designed as "non-contact" devices which would have required a deal of intent for contamination to be caused. -- _______ +---------------------------------------------------+ |\\ //| | Charles Ellson: | | \\ // | +---------------------------------------------------+ | | | // \\ | Alba gu brath |//___\\| |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 08:46:51 +0100 someone who may be Edward Cowling
London UK wrote this:- We're all getting too damn soft and the media don't help. When I was a kid we just called it hot weather and got on with it. Now there are endless announcements to carry water and if you believe the news we're all about to suffer heat stroke. As others have said, this is the fashion for "mineral" water. Personally if I want water I turn on the tap and water comes out. I did this when I lived in London too. As for shutting down some lines, that would simply increase the temperature in the tunnels. The trains are much of the ventilation system and they do a reasonable job of keeping the tunnels reasonably cool. As for high temperatures in tunnels when the trains stop running, a member of my family gave up her job in a florist in Covent Garden (this would probably have been in the late 1950s) after being caught in a few breakdowns on peak hour trains. People probably whined less then. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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"Paul Oter" wrote:
Can I nominate this for this newsgroups's "best idea of the day" award? Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. I think I'm right in saying that cups of water are available free from the buffets on trains in Sweden.... so why not here? |
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David Hansen wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 08:46:51 +0100 someone who may be Edward Cowling London UK wrote this:- We're all getting too damn soft and the media don't help. When I was a kid we just called it hot weather and got on with it. Now there are endless announcements to carry water and if you believe the news we're all about to suffer heat stroke. As others have said, this is the fashion for "mineral" water. Personally if I want water I turn on the tap and water comes out. I did this when I lived in London too. Last I checked there weren't any taps on the underground platforms, or on underground trains. If you're stuck on a tube train in very hot weather, water definitely helps. I think it's a sensible precaution on the tube in hot weather. -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org |
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ab wrote:
"Paul Oter" wrote: Can I nominate this for this newsgroups's "best idea of the day" award? Drinking fountains at main NR and tube stations, where travellers can have a drink or refil their water bottles. Just like at all BAA airports. I think I'm right in saying that cups of water are available free from the buffets on trains in Sweden.... so why not here? Because it's more important that people buy crap chocolate on the tube platforms. -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org |
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ab ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying : I think I'm right in saying that cups of water are available free from the buffets on trains in Sweden.... so why not here? Ummm, lemme guess... No buffets on tube trains? I'll bet that if you went to the buffet car on an intercity and asked for a glass of tap water you'd get one for free. |
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"Adrian" wrote Ummm, lemme guess... No buffets on tube trains? Pullman cars Mayflower and Galatea ran on the Met between 1910 and 1939. Peter |
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Dave Arquati wrote:
Neil Williams wrote: Edward Cowling London UK wrote: The stress of not being able to get home will far outweigh the stress of being a bit hot, so get Ken off his latest hobby horse and leave the Underground running. Indeed. I could go on about the new improved London Transport that Ken promised us would be bought with the congestion charge money, but I think he's spent it all on community policing and the damn Olympics. A lot of it's gone on the bus network, to pretty good effect. The trouble is it was a little too successful, in that it did redirect people onto public transport, which means his income dropped. That lead to the price rise and the "make it easier to pay" stuff to encourage a few more people to drive and up the income again! Talking of buses and heatwaves, I noticed on a 14 yesterday that a new air cooling unit had been installed above the stairs on the top deck - and very welcome it was too. Interesting... I've seen a few of the 85s have these too (probably the same fleet from Putney depot mind) and have wondered just how effective the system is. Did you try sitting in different places to test the effect? Cheers Steve M |
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Edward Cowling London UK wrote:
In message .com, Mizter T writes http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm They'll be putting heat councillors on trains next :-) I`m *not* electing any of those! Better to use trained staff, or, failing that, heat counsellors. ;-) Isn`t British awful in its lack of phonetic pronounciation? |
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On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:23:46 +0100, "Peter Masson"
wrote: "Adrian" wrote Ummm, lemme guess... No buffets on tube trains? Pullman cars Mayflower and Galatea ran on the Met between 1910 and 1939. Not quite tube trains in any sense. -- _______ +---------------------------------------------------+ |\\ //| | Charles Ellson: | | \\ // | +---------------------------------------------------+ | | | // \\ | Alba gu brath |//___\\| |
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Charles Ellson ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying : Ummm, lemme guess... No buffets on tube trains? Pullman cars Mayflower and Galatea ran on the Met between 1910 and 1939. Not quite tube trains in any sense. The Met is certainly a tube line. |
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On 4 Jul 2006 02:20:51 -0700, "Paul Weaver"
wrote: Of course, a 500ml bottle of water costs 50p in med countries, £2 in London. Totally off topic, I admit, but a 5 *litre* bottle of water costs 52 cents in any of the major Spanish supermarkets (including on the coast). Even a 2 litre bottle of Gaseosa (a light lemonade) costs 26 cents. I keep going with Isotonics - 23 cents for a 300ml can. -- Bill Hayles http://www.rossrail.com |
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"Adrian" wrote in message . 244.170... Charles Ellson ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying : Ummm, lemme guess... No buffets on tube trains? Pullman cars Mayflower and Galatea ran on the Met between 1910 and 1939. Not quite tube trains in any sense. The Met is certainly a tube line. It is not. It is entirely surface (or subsurface in some places), but never tube. That line is run entirely by A stock, which is surface stock, and would not fit in tube tunnels. Even if you consider the Metropolitan to include the Circle,H+C,ELL, it still isn't tube. Richard [in SG19] -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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In message , Ian Patterson
writes Edward Cowling London UK wrote: In message .com, Mizter T writes http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5143388.stm They'll be putting heat councillors on trains next :-) I`m *not* electing any of those! Better to use trained staff, or, failing that, heat counsellors. ;-) Isn`t British awful in its lack of phonetic pronounciation? And normally I'm infullable :-) -- Edward Cowling London UK |
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Charles Ellson wrote: Many older drinking fountains were designed as "non-contact" devices which would have required a deal of intent for contamination to be caused. Come to think of it, I remember such devices in all the public parks back home. They have all disappeared. Now I know why. I am sure the little (and not so little) so and so's could find ways of contaminating them. The contamination may or may not harm you but it would give them intense pleasure to think you were drinking the water:-( George |
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Richard M Willis ) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying : Ummm, lemme guess... No buffets on tube trains? Pullman cars Mayflower and Galatea ran on the Met between 1910 and 1939. Not quite tube trains in any sense. The Met is certainly a tube line. It is not. It is entirely surface (or subsurface in some places), but never tube. That line is run entirely by A stock, which is surface stock, and would not fit in tube tunnels. Even if you consider the Metropolitan to include the Circle,H+C,ELL, it still isn't tube. sigh Tube in the sense of "London Underground", rather than tube in the sense of the actual engineering behind the line itself. |
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