North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thameslink)
 

John Rowland wrote:
Rupert Candy wrote:

...any more than people confuse Tottenham Court Road (here we go
again) with Tottenham Hale.

I know that happens.

Really? It's not as if either are major tourist destinations...

Ditto Edgware Road and Edgware, which are
equally far apart.

I know that happens a lot, along with Finchley/Finchley Road.

....with hilarious consequences. (I always used to think the area
immediately north of Swiss Cottage was Finchley, on account of that
station name.) At least with those two examples, the stations are on
different lines. I can't think of any examples on the same line at the
moment.

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminalsand Thameslink)
 

Rupert Candy wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
Rupert Candy wrote:
...any more than people confuse Tottenham Court Road (here we go
again) with Tottenham Hale.
I know that happens.

Really? It's not as if either are major tourist destinations...


Oh, I don't know - one of them is the intersection of two of the busiest
lines right next to one of the busiest shopping areas, whilst the other
one is very often by far the most convenient interchange to get to
Stansted Airport. Tourist use of those stations must be pretty sizeable.

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thameslink)
 

Rupert Candy wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

I know that happens a lot, along with Finchley/Finchley Road.

...with hilarious consequences.

Not really, but cabbies do well out of it if the Underground is in the
process of shutting down for the night.

At least with those two examples, the stations are on
different lines. I can't think of any examples on the same line at the
moment.

West Ham and West Hampstead are both on the Jubbly, and both are on the NLL
too.

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thameslink)
 

"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
oups.com...

John Rowland wrote:

I know that happens a lot, along with Finchley/Finchley Road.

...with hilarious consequences. (I always used to think the area
immediately north of Swiss Cottage was Finchley, on account of that
station name.) At least with those two examples, the stations are on
different lines. I can't think of any examples on the same line at the
moment.

Confusion between Liverpool Street and Liverpool Lime Street (e.g. from
Cambridge, or even from Euston) could alos have significant (and in the
recounting, hilarious) consequences. Wasn't there a recent story about a
delegation from the Continent aiming for Kingston who got confused
between -upon-Thames and -upon-Hull?

Peter

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thame
 

In article .com,
(victormeldrewsyoungerbrother) wrote:

although logically Goodge Street should be more properly called TCR
as the station lies on that latter thoroughfare.

Wasn't it actually called that at first?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thameslink)
 

"Paul Terry" wrote

Although I think the main reason for the southerly position of Euston
Square station was the need to keep the original line beneath the "New
Road", I have often wondered whether the close association of the
Metropolitan with the GWR made it less inclined to go out of its way to
offer easy interchange with the "Birmingham Railway" at a time when the
GWR had its own route to Birmingham (I've not checked dates against a
contemporary Bradshaw, but I *think* that could be an issue).

The GWR route to Birmingham (Great Way Round via Oxford) opened several
years before the Metropolitan. The opening special for the GWR Birmingham
route collided with a mixed train at Aynho (20 October 1852). The
Metropolitan didn't open between Paddington and Farringdon until 1863.

Peter

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thameslink)
 

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
oups.com...

John Rowland wrote:

I know that happens a lot, along with Finchley/Finchley Road.

...with hilarious consequences. (I always used to think the area
immediately north of Swiss Cottage was Finchley, on account of that
station name.) At least with those two examples, the stations are on
different lines. I can't think of any examples on the same line at the
moment.

Confusion between Liverpool Street and Liverpool Lime Street (e.g. from
Cambridge, or even from Euston) could alos have significant (and in the
recounting, hilarious) consequences. Wasn't there a recent story about a
delegation from the Continent aiming for Kingston who got confused
between -upon-Thames and -upon-Hull?

Was that by choice or Jamaca?

....Hat... Gone!

--
Ken Ward

"Society for the production of Maritime Reefs using MerseyRail 142's"
(For membership email... )
"Leave the Mobile Phone at home day Oct 25th 2006"

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thame
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article .com,
(victormeldrewsyoungerbrother) wrote:

although logically Goodge Street should be more properly called
TCR as the station lies on that latter thoroughfare.

Wasn't it actually called that at first?

Indeed it was. According to Douglas Rose's excellent map, the Northern
Line stations south of Euston were originally (22/6/1907):

Euston Road
Tottenham Court Road
Oxford Street
Leicester Square
Charing Cross

which would have been reasonably logical had the Central London Railway
not named its station at St Giles Circus "Tottenham Court Road" in 1900.

The first three were renamed as:

Warren Street (7/6/1908)
Goodge Street (9/3/1908)
Tottenham Court Road (9/3/1908)

Incidentally, Euston Square was named Gower Street from 1863-1909.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thame
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article .com,
(victormeldrewsyoungerbrother) wrote:

although logically Goodge Street should be more properly called TCR
as the station lies on that latter thoroughfare.

Wasn't it actually called that at first?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

My whole supposition was wrong. I've checked Leboff & Demuth's 'No Need
to Ask' which is the story of the Underground map. In 1907, when the
CEHR was opened Goodge Street was, in fact, called Tottenham Court
Road, shown as such on a number of reproduced maps of that year. The
present TCR was called Oxford Street. By 1908 the Goodge Street name
was being used and Oxford Street had turned into TCR. Apologies for
this - I should have checked first. I have no information why the name
changed.

Later


Or did it - as I type this I've checked backwards in the book to a map
of 1902, CLR only. and TCR is called that, as it is on a map of 1904.
The book has 2 1906 maps published for what was to become the Bakerloo.
Those show both names. One, indeed, shows 2 stations called Tottenham
Court Road - one as now and the other the current Goodge Street. This
is all very odd. I've never picked up on this before. Does anyone know
the what happened and why?

North Greenwich and the naming of stations (was London Terminals and Thame
 

victormeldrewsyoungerbrother wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article .com,
(victormeldrewsyoungerbrother) wrote:

although logically Goodge Street should be more properly called
TCR as the station lies on that latter thoroughfare.

Wasn't it actually called that at first?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

My whole supposition was wrong. I've checked Leboff & Demuth's 'No
Need to Ask' which is the story of the Underground map. In 1907,
when the CEHR was opened Goodge Street was, in fact, called
Tottenham Court Road, shown as such on a number of reproduced maps
of that year. The present TCR was called Oxford Street. By 1908 the
Goodge Street name was being used and Oxford Street had turned
into TCR. Apologies for this - I should have checked first. I have
no information why the name changed.

Later


Or did it - as I type this I've checked backwards in the book to a
map of 1902, CLR only. and TCR is called that, as it is on a map of
1904. The book has 2 1906 maps published for what was to become the
Bakerloo. Those show both names. One, indeed, shows 2 stations
called Tottenham Court Road - one as now and the other the current
Goodge Street. This is all very odd. I've never picked up on this
before. Does anyone know the what happened and why?

The CLR station was always TCR. The CEHR (now Northern Line) named
theirs in isolation, and produced the confusion you describe, hence
presumably the reason for the change.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)