"Businesses and residents in London's West End are facing the threat of
a second day of power cuts as engineers work to fix faults in the
system.

On Thursday more than 3,000 people were without electricity as four
faults and a high-demand for air conditioning put extra pressure on the
grid.

Power was cut off in different parts of Soho for four hours at a time."

Mo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5222996.stm


I presume this 'second day' of power cuts is a follow up to last
saturday's problems.

Mizter T wrote:
"Businesses and residents in London's West End are facing the threat of
a second day of power cuts as engineers work to fix faults in the
system.

On Thursday more than 3,000 people were without electricity as four
faults and a high-demand for air conditioning put extra pressure on the
grid.

Power was cut off in different parts of Soho for four hours at a time."

Mo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5222996.stm


I presume this 'second day' of power cuts is a follow up to last
saturday's problems.

Just wait until all the nukes are shut down and we are dependent on 50%
of our power coming from windmills.

Kevin

Kev wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
"Businesses and residents in London's West End are facing the threat of
a second day of power cuts as engineers work to fix faults in the
system.

On Thursday more than 3,000 people were without electricity as four
faults and a high-demand for air conditioning put extra pressure on the
grid.

Power was cut off in different parts of Soho for four hours at a time."

Mo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5222996.stm


I presume this 'second day' of power cuts is a follow up to last
saturday's problems.

Just wait until all the nukes are shut down and we are dependent on 50%
of our power coming from windmills.

Kevin

The problems were seemingly caused by local substation faults, possibly
partly as a result of the heavy load on the local network (in part the
extra demand related to air-con). There was not a problem of a lack of
electricity generating capacity yesterday, so your comment above is not
relevant whatsoever to these specific problems.

I understand there are basically two interlinked problems. The local
distribution network is old and somewhat frail, and in need of renewal
- there are also repeated suggestions that it is not maintained to a
high enough standard. Additionally the demand for electricity is
significantly higher now than it has been in the past, which places an
extra strain on the frail local network.

And renewable energy is about much more than just windmills.

Mizter T wrote:
Kev wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
"Businesses and residents in London's West End are facing the threat of
a second day of power cuts as engineers work to fix faults in the
system.

On Thursday more than 3,000 people were without electricity as four
faults and a high-demand for air conditioning put extra pressure on the
grid.

Power was cut off in different parts of Soho for four hours at a time."

Mo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5222996.stm


I presume this 'second day' of power cuts is a follow up to last
saturday's problems.

Just wait until all the nukes are shut down and we are dependent on 50%
of our power coming from windmills.

Kevin

The problems were seemingly caused by local substation faults, possibly
partly as a result of the heavy load on the local network (in part the
extra demand related to air-con). There was not a problem of a lack of
electricity generating capacity yesterday, so your comment above is not
relevant whatsoever to these specific problems.

I understand there are basically two interlinked problems. The local
distribution network is old and somewhat frail, and in need of renewal
- there are also repeated suggestions that it is not maintained to a
high enough standard. Additionally the demand for electricity is
significantly higher now than it has been in the past, which places an
extra strain on the frail local network.

And renewable energy is about much more than just windmills.

I understand that the current problems are not capacity related but it
is never the less a good indicator of where we are heading. All those
people are complaining now is just a precurser to what is going to
happen.
We also had a massive increase in the price of gas yesterday with more
to follow and what method of filling the short term gap did the
Government propose?

Kevin

Kev wrote:

(snip)

I understand that the current problems are not capacity related but it
is never the less a good indicator of where we are heading. All those
people are complaining now is just a precurser to what is going to
happen.
We also had a massive increase in the price of gas yesterday with more
to follow and what method of filling the short term gap did the
Government propose?

Kevin

I'm not at ease with the legacy nuclear power leaves behind - I'm not
happy with the idea that to sort out our energy needs today we'll be
leaving a significant problem for future generations to deal with.

With actual commitment I think that a big growth in generating
electricity from renewable sources combined with the savings from
properly implemented energy efficiency means we can meet electricity
needs. I don't think this is pie in the sky wishy washy green nonsense,
I think it's attainable, but people need to really go for it.

Mizter T wrote:
Kev wrote:

(snip)

I understand that the current problems are not capacity related but it
is never the less a good indicator of where we are heading. All those
people are complaining now is just a precurser to what is going to
happen.
We also had a massive increase in the price of gas yesterday with more
to follow and what method of filling the short term gap did the
Government propose?

Kevin

I'm not at ease with the legacy nuclear power leaves behind - I'm not
happy with the idea that to sort out our energy needs today we'll be
leaving a significant problem for future generations to deal with.

With actual commitment I think that a big growth in generating
electricity from renewable sources combined with the savings from
properly implemented energy efficiency means we can meet electricity
needs. I don't think this is pie in the sky wishy washy green nonsense,
I think it's attainable, but people need to really go for it.

I'd love somebody to convince me that I can cut my home energy use by
20% due to more efficient use of power. The bulk of people affected at
the moment are of course businesses and I don't see them giving up
their air conditioners.

Kevin

Mizter T wrote:
"Businesses and residents in London's West End are facing the threat of
a second day of power cuts as engineers work to fix faults in the
system.

On Thursday more than 3,000 people were without electricity as four
faults and a high-demand for air conditioning put extra pressure on the
grid.

Power was cut off in different parts of Soho for four hours at a time."

Mo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5222996.stm


I presume this 'second day' of power cuts is a follow up to last
saturday's problems.


It must be a follow-up to yesterday (Thursday)'s power cuts, affecting
much of London.

I found it amusing that Oxford Circus closing was part of the headline.
Oxford Circus station closes several times a day every single day,
leaving people spilling out into the street in front of the traffic,
whatever the weather.

You can't rely on travelling from there in the evening rush hour till
about 1930.

MIG wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
"Businesses and residents in London's West End are facing the threat of
a second day of power cuts as engineers work to fix faults in the
system.

On Thursday more than 3,000 people were without electricity as four
faults and a high-demand for air conditioning put extra pressure on the
grid.

Power was cut off in different parts of Soho for four hours at a time."

Mo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5222996.stm


I presume this 'second day' of power cuts is a follow up to last
saturday's problems.


It must be a follow-up to yesterday (Thursday)'s power cuts, affecting
much of London.

My post was with regards to yesterday's power cuts, when I posetd at
8:30 this morning today's power cuts (i.e. friday's) had not yet
happened - today's problems makes that three days of trouble in central
London.


I found it amusing that Oxford Circus closing was part of the headline.
Oxford Circus station closes several times a day every single day,
leaving people spilling out into the street in front of the traffic,
whatever the weather.

You can't rely on travelling from there in the evening rush hour till
about 1930.


I avoid Oxford Circus in the rush hour so I don't have that much
experience of that happening. I guess I was tying in the power cut
story to the topic of transport of this newsgroup!

Mizter T wrote:
And renewable energy is about much more than just windmills.

In any case, put the windmills in a sufficiently diverse variety
of locations, and the chances of all of them having no wind
at the same time is pretty much negligible.

#Paul

wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
And renewable energy is about much more than just windmills.

In any case, put the windmills in a sufficiently diverse variety
of locations, and the chances of all of them having no wind
at the same time is pretty much negligible.

.... as is the contribution that those that are spinning will make to the
nation's energy needs.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)