I have been informed that it is being, or has been, dismantled at Theobalds
Grove and will shortly be reinstated at or near its original location
between the Strand and Fleet Street.

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In article , John Rowland
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I have been informed that it is being, or has been, dismantled at Theobalds
Grove and will shortly be reinstated at or near its original location
between the Strand and Fleet Street.
Er ,if they put it back *at* its original location that could have a -
to say the least - "dramatic" effect on traffic between the Strand and
Fleet Street. "Nearby" I can believe, "at" I suspect is unlikely.

This project has been talked about for yeas, decades, even. What's
your source, John? (Not that I'm doubting you, I hasten to add!)
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I have been informed that it is being, or has been, dismantled at Theobalds
Grove and will shortly be reinstated at or near its original location
between the Strand and Fleet Street.


My understanding is that it will be re-erected in or near Paternoster Square,
to the North West of the front entrance of St. Paul's Cathedral.

It can't go back in Fleet Street (sadly, in my view) because the traffic
wouldn't get through.

It was also offered to Middle and Inner Temple, to erect at the South end of
Middle Temple Lane, but we turned it down (I was a member of the Middle Temple
Estates Committee at the time) because it would have cost us over £1 million to
erect it there, and in any event it would have detracted from the attractive
gothic Temple Gardens building which straddles Middle Temple Lane thereabouts.

Marc.

From: "John Rowland"
Date: 31/07/2003 20:13 GMT Daylight Time

I have been informed that it is being, or has been, dismantled at Theobalds
Grove and will shortly be reinstated at or near its original location
between the Strand and Fleet Street.

Erm, Theobalds Park please. Theobalds Grove is a railway station about 2 miles
away from there. Careful stone-by-stone removal is currently in progress, but
much of the structure still remains intact (a bit fragile, so they need to be
very careful how they do it).

I'm not at all surprised Temple Bar is a bit fragile as its been sitting
totally neglected in those woods for ... oh, it had been there ages when
I was a kid round there 50 years ago! Good to see that it's going back
into central London; it was wasted in those woods.

*Keith*

From: (Keith Marshall)
Date: 01/08/2003 19:13 GMT Daylight Time

I'm not at all surprised Temple Bar is a bit fragile as its been sitting
totally neglected in those woods for ... oh, it had been there ages when
I was a kid round there 50 years ago! Good to see that it's going back
into central London; it was wasted in those woods.

I think its been there since the 1880s. Old photos of it from betweeen 1920 and
about 1960 show it to have been in pretty good condition. The rot set in in a
big way after that, not helped by vandalism aided by its isolation. Even a high
concrete fence didn't help.

I took some photos of it in the mid-eighties, and it was looking pretty down at
heel then. Things are even worse now, so the prospect of it in the middle of
Paternoster Square all spruced up and giving the place a bit of character can
only be welcomed.

One small problem though. Will the "Temple Bar" pub in Waltham Cross High
Street still keep its name? Or will that be moved too?!

"Keith Marshall" wrote in message
. ..

the Roman Ermine Street runs right by Temple Bar

Ermine Street seems to be still in use from London Bridge to the Tottenham /
Edmonton boundary, but abandoned from there to Maidens Bridge in Bulls
Cross. I wonder why, and when it happened - was it in connection with the
New River construction?

Things are even worse now, so the prospect of it in the
middle of Paternoster Square all spruced up and giving
the place a bit of character can only be welcomed.

I'm sure the phrases "Paternoster Square" and "a bit of character" in the
same sentence will sound okay in time!

I don't understand why they couldn't put it back between the Strand and
Fleet Street. There were buildings demolished there recently, and I assumed
that they were making room for it, but it would appear not. Failing that, I
think they should have put it somewhere else on the boundary between the
City of London and the City of Westminster, perhaps on the Embankment.
Putting it in Paternoster Square seems pointless, because it won't be the
gate between anything, and it will be outclassed by Wren's better known work
anyway.

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John Rowland wrote:
"Keith Marshall" wrote in message
. ..

the Roman Ermine Street runs right by Temple Bar

Ermine Street seems to be still in use from London Bridge
to the Tottenham / Edmonton boundary, but abandoned from
there to Maidens Bridge in Bulls Cross. I wonder why, and
when it happened - was it in connection with the New River
construction?

Things are even worse now, so the prospect of it in the
middle of Paternoster Square all spruced up and giving
the place a bit of character can only be welcomed.

I'm sure the phrases "Paternoster Square" and "a bit of
character" in the same sentence will sound okay in time!

I don't understand why they couldn't put it back between
the Strand and Fleet Street. There were buildings
demolished there recently, and I assumed that they were
making room for it, but it would appear not. Failing that,
I think they should have put it somewhere else on the
boundary between the City of London and the City of
Westminster, perhaps on the Embankment. Putting it in
Paternoster Square seems pointless, because it won't be the
gate between anything, and it will be outclassed by Wren's
better known work anyway.

Why not as a gate into the CC area? It'd make a significant contribution to
free movement of traffic!

"Cast_Iron" wrote in message
...
John Rowland wrote:

Why not as a gate into the CC area?

Hehe, and make 200 replicas for all of the cordon points.

It'd make a significant contribution to free movement of traffic!

How restrictive is it anyway? Could 2 Routemasters pass each other beneath
it? 2 bendibi?

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That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

John Rowland wrote:

I'm sure the phrases "Paternoster Square" and "a bit of character" in the
same sentence will sound okay in time!

I don't understand why they couldn't put it back between the Strand and
Fleet Street. There were buildings demolished there recently, and I assumed
that they were making room for it, but it would appear not. Failing that, I
think they should have put it somewhere else on the boundary between the
City of London and the City of Westminster, perhaps on the Embankment.
Putting it in Paternoster Square seems pointless, because it won't be the
gate between anything, and it will be outclassed by Wren's better known work
anyway.


Remember - this is the new Paternoster Square, which is much more
sympathic towards it's far more grand neighbour St Pauls than that 60's
nightmare.

A piccie of where Temple Bar is being moved to is he

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL85/9...1/29012091.jpg

Behind it, you can see the north tower of St Pauls on the West Front
(I'm sure it's probably got some specific name but I don't know it). The
red brick building in on the left is the original chapterhouse (I
think), the cream coloured building on the right is a new building
that's part of the new Paternoster Sq development.

So, it's not just being stuck in the middle of the square - it will be
used as the main gateway to and from it (the square itself also has a
big column on the centre with some golden fire bolt thing on the top).