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wrote:

There are a couple of other stops I'd be keen to see as well (York
Road, North Pole/North Acton)

This latter example would certainly address the issue of moving the
DC/AC changeover point south to Shepherd's Bush or the need to change
over whilst on the move. It would also bring rail to an area currently
poorly served by that mode, although I wouldn't like to hazard a guess
at the cost of a pair of eight-car (or even four-car) platforms in
order to do so.

THC

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Paul Corfield wrote:
On 5 Sep 2006 08:57:44 -0700, "John B" wrote:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square, Paddington (District), Highbury &
Islington, Tottenham Hale, Waterloo (Northern) and Vauxhall.

Tottenham Hale is already step free - the lift has been in service for
years.

As the Victoria Line Voice Woman now reminds us every bloody time I go
through the station.

I don't know about anyone else, but her tone of voice to me on that
recording sounds awfully patronising, almost "Listen, disabled people, I
know some of you aren't very bright, so I'm going to say this very
slowly with a sense of wonder in my voice."

Sorry, it just annoys me :-)

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Paul Speller wrote:
On 5 Sep 2006 11:42:20 -0700, Bob wrote:

Nice to see the clever integration of the blue disabled access symbol
on to the map. Becks foresighted modular flexibility triumphs again.

Except that the use of the disabled symbol actually removes one of
Beck's original innovations and makes the map provide less information
than it used to (discounting the obvious extra information about
step-free access!).

Until recently you could immediately see which stations were
interchanges and which weren't

I assumed the original post was ironic, but maybe not.

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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 10:46:40 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

Listening to some commentary on the radio last night it was stated that
running trains from Dalston Junc to Highbury is going to cost £400M.
Bearing in mind that all that needs to be done on the face of it is
reinstate a few hundred yards of track what is going to cost half a
Wembley Stadium of half a Dome.

Not what I heard - the following parliamentary debate suggests £200m for
the northern part of (what was) Phase 2 - Dalston Junction to Caledonian
Road & Barnsbury. That includes turnback facilities at CR&B, possibly
extra tracks somewhere between there and Dalston, the reinstated curve
at Dalston, a replacement junction on the NLL (obviously the old one
isn't there any more) and probably some resignalling.

Then again, reinstating a significantly longer section of track in south
London and building a new station at Surrey Canal Road seems to cost
much less (£75m), so I'm not sure what difference is for. Is the
formation at Dalston still in Network Rail's hands?

Perhaps not: the property listing section of the British Railways
Board (Residuary) website (see http://www.brb.gov.uk/property)
suggests that the west curve at Dalston may have been sold off.

http://www.brb.gov.uk/property/prope...ounty=l&page=3

"Dalston Junction: Western Junction closed line: Sold"

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wrote:
There are a couple of other stops I'd be keen to see as well (York
Road, North Pole/North Acton) that are less important and very possibly
not worth the money.

I am still of the opinion that York Road Piccadilly should be reopened
as soon as possible - the regen frenzy of the Kings Cross Railway Lands
will eventually make it imperative to fill the hole.

The best part is that the station has lift shafts that descend all the
way to platform level, like the ones at Earl's Court and Caledonian
Road. As a result, all that would be needed is the construction of
escalators. If you build them in the right direction you may even be
able to do behind-barrier interchange with a new station on the NLL
(which is supposed to be close to the Piccadilly in this area).

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Dave Arquati wrote:

Camden Town to Camden Road (an additional exit from the northern
ends of the platforms at Camden Town to a second ticket office closer
to Camden Road was floated as a potential congestion-relief measure).

Floated by whom? When I phoned up the woman in charge of the public
consultation for the rebuiding of Camden Town, she clearly regarded
improving interchange with the NLL to be a bizarre and inexplicable aim.

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TheOneKEA wrote:

I am still of the opinion that York Road Piccadilly should be reopened
as soon as possible - the regen frenzy of the Kings Cross Railway
Lands will eventually make it imperative to fill the hole.

The best part is that the station has lift shafts that descend all the
way to platform level, like the ones at Earl's Court and Caledonian
Road. As a result, all that would be needed is the construction of
escalators.

I don't see why escalators would be necessary, when Russell Square, Goodge
Street and Lancaster Gate get by without any.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf

That map throws up a few extra bits of information by itself, such
as:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square

I haven't used Euston Square since they rebuilt it, but surely the new
station has either lifts or ramps!

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John Rowland wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:
Camden Town to Camden Road (an additional exit from the northern
ends of the platforms at Camden Town to a second ticket office closer
to Camden Road was floated as a potential congestion-relief measure).

Floated by whom? When I phoned up the woman in charge of the public
consultation for the rebuiding of Camden Town, she clearly regarded
improving interchange with the NLL to be a bizarre and inexplicable aim.


Arup, I think. They supplied an alternative proposal to LU's (on behalf
of a campaign group organised by the markets) for the public inquiry,
which was intended to reduce the impact of the expanded station on the
surrounding markets and shops.

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John Rowland wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...06_tubemap.pdf

That map throws up a few extra bits of information by itself, such
as:

* lifts appearing at Euston Square

I haven't used Euston Square since they rebuilt it, but surely the new
station has either lifts or ramps!

Well, the entrance from the street under the new Wellcome building,
might have a lift (entrance not open yet), but the building work hasn't
affected the stairs from the ticket office down to the platforms.

This 'rebuild' is actually just a replacement of the entrance on the
south side of Euston Road, due to the Wellcome building works.

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In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:

Camden Town to Camden Road (an additional exit from the northern
ends of the platforms at Camden Town to a second ticket office closer
to Camden Road was floated as a potential congestion-relief measure).

Floated by whom? When I phoned up the woman in charge of the public
consultation for the rebuiding of Camden Town, she clearly regarded
improving interchange with the NLL to be a bizarre and inexplicable aim.

But of course. If it doesn't add to the property redevlopment "take"
then there's no need for it in Camden Town.

Nick

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Also, as a longer term idea, it strikes me that the idea some locals
have proposed for a Clapham Junction-South East London route could be a
good addition to the network. A route that ran Clapham Junction-Peckham
Rye-Lewisham-Woolwich-Abbey Wood would provide a link from Crossrail
and City Airport to south London. Be even better if they built those
extra platforms at Brockley.

I've heard about the Clapham Junction to Sidcup idea, but this in my opinion
seems mad. Clapham Junction to Plumstead service seems a far better idea,
with an extension to Abbey Wood if the extra platforms could be built.
Although I am not quite sure where the room to build the Crossrail platforms
is coming from, let alone any additional platforms.

If they ran the service to Plumstead/Abbey Wood throughout the course of the
day/evening, they could scrap the little used Cannon Street - Lewisham -
Plumstead trains and it would allow the Medway - Charing Cross semi-fast
service to continue to travel via Greenwich instead of the IKF plan to go
back to travelling via Lewisham.

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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:20:19 +0100, Thomas Covenant
wrote:


South Tottenham - I think that has ramps

I'm fairly sure it is steps only.


Following this, I can confirm that at South Tottenham, it is steps up
to the platforms.

The ramp is from the main road to the bottom of the steps.

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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:20:05 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:

Rather than opting for the brown "Rail" roundel, the branding scheme is
an orange (!) "Overground" scheme - not to be confused with South
London's "Overground Network" branding.

http://i6.tinypic.com/47btbbq.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/2dr9g5u.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/402ntxj.jpg

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John B wrote:
Side note - a couple of interesting pics on the TfL press centre,
including mock-ups of the London Overground Electrostars:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/press-cent...ry/gallery.asp

Lots of nice glass waiting to be etched.. :)

Jonathan

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Keith Spink wrote:
Also, as a longer term idea, it strikes me that the idea some locals
have proposed for a Clapham Junction-South East London route could be a
good addition to the network. A route that ran Clapham Junction-Peckham
Rye-Lewisham-Woolwich-Abbey Wood would provide a link from Crossrail
and City Airport to south London. Be even better if they built those
extra platforms at Brockley.

I've heard about the Clapham Junction to Sidcup idea, but this in my opinion
seems mad. Clapham Junction to Plumstead service seems a far better idea,
with an extension to Abbey Wood if the extra platforms could be built.
Although I am not quite sure where the room to build the Crossrail platforms
is coming from, let alone any additional platforms.

If they ran the service to Plumstead/Abbey Wood throughout the course of the
day/evening, they could scrap the little used Cannon Street - Lewisham -
Plumstead trains and it would allow the Medway - Charing Cross semi-fast
service to continue to travel via Greenwich instead of the IKF plan to go
back to travelling via Lewisham.


Yeah, that was my thinking - it would, as much as such a performance
polluting route can, simply the service pattern rather than complicate
it, and hit quite a lot of interchanges.

The platform thing could be an issue though.

Jonn

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On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:14:31 +0100, Andy wrote:

WATFORD RAIL USERS GROUP
AN OPEN MEETING IS TO BE HELD ON
MONDAY 11th SEPTEMBER 2006 7pm
at
WATFORD TOWN HALL, RICKMANSWORTH ROAD, WATFORD
Entry to the Town Hall is via the Customers Service Centre entrance
next to the Hempstead Road car park.
Representatives from your local Train Operators will be in attendance.
There will also be a presentation from
Transport for London on their proposed plans to bring
"BAKERLOO LINE TRAINS TO WATFORD JUNCTION"
ALL WELCOME

Did anyone go to this? If so, did anything new or interesting surface?