Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

"Two new free newspapers have created 1.5 tonnes of extra waste on the
London Underground (LU), it has been claimed."

Full story from BBC News:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5363818.stm

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Mizter T wrote:
"Two new free newspapers have created 1.5 tonnes of extra waste on the
London Underground (LU), it has been claimed."

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

Tidier, more environmentally-friendly, good passenger service and would
cost next to nothing.

Neil

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
"Two new free newspapers have created 1.5 tonnes of extra waste on
the London Underground (LU), it has been claimed."

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

Tidier, more environmentally-friendly, good passenger service and
would cost next to nothing.

As there are still no bins (?) on the underground they would quickly be
filled with half eaten food and other rubbish rendering them unusable. IMHO
of course.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

"Two new free newspapers have created 1.5 tonnes of extra waste on the
London Underground (LU), it has been claimed."

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

Tidier, more environmentally-friendly, good passenger service and would
cost next to nothing.

Because the free papers *want* to give more away, not less - because they
use high circulation numbers to justify their advertising fees.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

In article ,
shaun wrote:
As there are still no bins (?) on the underground they would quickly be
filled with half eaten food and other rubbish rendering them unusable. IMHO
of course.

There are bins on the Underground network.

--
I don't play The Game - it's for five-year-olds with delusions of adulthood.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
"Two new free newspapers have created 1.5 tonnes of extra waste on the
London Underground (LU), it has been claimed."

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

Tidier, more environmentally-friendly, good passenger service and would
cost next to nothing.

Neil
I am not sure that I would agree to taking up space that could be used
by a standing passenger for some stupid bin fror free newspapers. Just
make the damn things illegal. They are a waste or resources, a waste of
energy and not worth reading anyway. Why don't the green lobby come
down hard on this wasteful product.

kevin

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Why don't the green lobby come
down hard on this wasteful product.

Because they are afraid of Murdoch?

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams wrote:

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

Tidier, more environmentally-friendly, good passenger service and would
cost next to nothing.

When they collect them now do they recycle them?

What is shocking is that certain stations have already run out of
Metros by 8am. I think it tends to be the ones that have newspaper
sellers in the station because they can't bear the competition.

That means that passengers scrounge around for them, any leftover ones
on the train, on the platforms, even in the bins (which they do have).

There is already a place to put finished-with metros - when you leave
the station just put it back into the metro stand.

Note: I once took a pile of metros with me on the way from Brent Cross
(where there are loads) to Finchley Road (which is out of them before
8am) and put them into the stand there (apart from the one I wanted for
myself) and they were gone within seconds.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

alex_t wrote:
Why don't the green lobby come
down hard on this wasteful product.

Because they are afraid of Murdoch?

I don't think Murdoch makes any of the free London papers. Metro is
made by the same company that makes the Standard and Standard-Lite is
their new free evening paper. The other one I've seen floating around
is not very good.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

On 21 Sep 2006 02:02:52 -0700, "Earl Purple"
wrote:


alex_t wrote:
Why don't the green lobby come
down hard on this wasteful product.

Because they are afraid of Murdoch?

I don't think Murdoch makes any of the free London papers. Metro is
made by the same company that makes the Standard and Standard-Lite is
their new free evening paper. The other one I've seen floating around
is not very good.

thesillilynamedlondonpaper is a Murdoch rag. And is, as you say, not
very good.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:

I am not sure that I would agree to taking up space that could be used
by a standing passenger for some stupid bin fror free newspapers.

Then you didn't read my post. I'm not proposing putting it anywhere
that would get in the way of standing pax.

Neil

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams wrote:
Kev wrote:

I am not sure that I would agree to taking up space that could be used
by a standing passenger for some stupid bin fror free newspapers.

Then you didn't read my post. I'm not proposing putting it anywhere
that would get in the way of standing pax.

Neil

In that case I don't understand where you are going to put it so that
it doesn't get in the way. Most tube trains that I get on are nose to
nose. Anything that you put in will take up space, unless it hangs from
the roof then space is limited.
I would like to see them banned along with the other scurge of the
underground, bottled water.

Kevin

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

On 21 Sep 2006 03:00:05 -0700, "Kev" wrote:


Neil Williams wrote:
Kev wrote:

I am not sure that I would agree to taking up space that could be used
by a standing passenger for some stupid bin fror free newspapers.

Then you didn't read my post. I'm not proposing putting it anywhere
that would get in the way of standing pax.

Neil

In that case I don't understand where you are going to put it so that
it doesn't get in the way. Most tube trains that I get on are nose to
nose. Anything that you put in will take up space, unless it hangs from
the roof then space is limited.
I would like to see them banned along with the other scurge of the
underground, bottled water.

I look forward to the tube trains full of passengers who have fainted,
each taking up as much floor space as several who are standing.

--
James Farrar
. @gmail.com

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:

In that case I don't understand where you are going to put it so that
it doesn't get in the way.

Just below roof height on the partition separating the seats from the
walls, on the seat side? Or maybe (lateral thinking) on the station
platforms.

Anyhow, it'd be a better concept on trains, especially intercity ones.

Most tube trains that I get on are nose to
nose. Anything that you put in will take up space, unless it hangs from
the roof then space is limited.
I would like to see them banned along with the other scurge of the
underground, bottled water.

Precisely what adverse effect does someone consuming bottled water (or
indeed any other drink) have on your Tube use?

Neil

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:12:17 +0000 (UTC), Mike Bristow
wrote:

In article ,
shaun wrote:
As there are still no bins (?) on the underground they would quickly be
filled with half eaten food and other rubbish rendering them unusable. IMHO
of course.

There are bins on the Underground network.

Not at very many (any?) central area stations!

Unless you count those clear plastic sacks that you sometimes see
sitting somewhere half full because their operative has gone off
somewhere and left their sack behind, as an "official bin".

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams wrote:
Kev wrote:

In that case I don't understand where you are going to put it so that
it doesn't get in the way.

Just below roof height on the partition separating the seats from the
walls, on the seat side? Or maybe (lateral thinking) on the station
platforms.

OK but I doubt anybody would use them.

Anyhow, it'd be a better concept on trains, especially intercity ones.

Most tube trains that I get on are nose to
nose. Anything that you put in will take up space, unless it hangs from
the roof then space is limited.
I would like to see them banned along with the other scurge of the
underground, bottled water.

Precisely what adverse effect does someone consuming bottled water (or
indeed any other drink) have on your Tube use?

Absolutely none but then if you agree that it is ok to truck water half
way across Europe, consuming energy and making plastic bottles,
consuming energy, then I guess it is ok. What is wrong with water out
of a tap? Consumes a damn sight less energy.

Kevin

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:

Absolutely none but then if you agree that it is ok to truck water half
way across Europe, consuming energy and making plastic bottles,
consuming energy, then I guess it is ok. What is wrong with water out
of a tap? Consumes a damn sight less energy.

It's very tricky getting your ticket out of your pocket whilst carrying
a handful of water.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:
What is wrong with water out
of a tap? Consumes a damn sight less energy.

Who's to say some of the bottles aren't filled up out of the tap?
Loads of people (including everyone in this here office) do that.

Neil

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

"alex_t" wrote in message
ps.com...

Why don't the green lobby come
down hard on this wasteful product.

Because they are afraid of Murdoch?

I'm "green." Murdoch doesn't scare me.

Next target please.........

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Dave Newt wrote:
Kev wrote:

Absolutely none but then if you agree that it is ok to truck water half
way across Europe, consuming energy and making plastic bottles,
consuming energy, then I guess it is ok. What is wrong with water out
of a tap? Consumes a damn sight less energy.

It's very tricky getting your ticket out of your pocket whilst carrying
a handful of water.
Nothing wrong with reusing a bottle filled with tap water, just why
does the bottle and the water have to come from half way across Europe.

Kevin

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams wrote:
Kev wrote:
What is wrong with water out
of a tap? Consumes a damn sight less energy.

Who's to say some of the bottles aren't filled up out of the tap?
Loads of people (including everyone in this here office) do that.

Neil
They may well be but it doesn't take much to see how many bottles of
water ther are in one supermarket then multply that by the number of
supermarkets. See how easy it is to bash car drivers and airline users
for being environmentally unfriendly but when it comes to condeming
trendy bottle water drinkers it is suddenly ok.

Kevin

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

On 20 Sep 2006 17:07:07 -0700, "Mizter T" wrote:

"Two new free newspapers have created 1.5 tonnes of extra waste on the
London Underground (LU), it has been claimed."

Full story from BBC News:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5363818.stm

Yes and look who publicised it - Tube Lines! I'm sure I'll have a claim
for the extra costs when I return to work after my holidays!

And yes the collected papers are recycled by the Infracos (in response
to someone who asked this elsewhere in the thread).
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:

They may well be but it doesn't take much to see how many bottles of
water ther are in one supermarket then multply that by the number of
supermarkets. See how easy it is to bash car drivers and airline users
for being environmentally unfriendly but when it comes to condeming
trendy bottle water drinkers it is suddenly ok.

Given that, on occasions, I do all three of the above (with the "air
travel" one ranking quite high at the moment, though the car driving
quite low, as I'm currently flying twice weekly and spending Mon-Fri in
..nl) I am in no position to bash any of them, and I don't do so.

Neil

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
Kev wrote:

Absolutely none but then if you agree that it is ok to truck water half
way across Europe, consuming energy and making plastic bottles,
consuming energy, then I guess it is ok. What is wrong with water out
of a tap? Consumes a damn sight less energy.
It's very tricky getting your ticket out of your pocket whilst carrying
a handful of water.
Nothing wrong with reusing a bottle filled with tap water, just why

So why did you say you want water in bottles banned from the tube?

does the bottle and the water have to come from half way across Europe.

Different point entirely. You asked for bottled water to be banned from
the tube.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

"Kev" wrote in message
ups.com...

Neil Williams wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
"Two new free newspapers have created 1.5 tonnes of extra waste on the
London Underground (LU), it has been claimed."

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

Tidier, more environmentally-friendly, good passenger service and would
cost next to nothing.

Neil
I am not sure that I would agree to taking up space that could be used
by a standing passenger for some stupid bin fror free newspapers. Just
make the damn things illegal.

As the operators have put the contract to litter the tube 'out to tender' to
the person who will pay them the biggest amount of dosh I don't think that
they want to pass a law making them illegal.

tim

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Neil Williams ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

I am not sure that I would agree to taking up space that could be used
by a standing passenger for some stupid bin fror free newspapers.

Then you didn't read my post. I'm not proposing putting it anywhere
that would get in the way of standing pax.

If it isn't *RIGHT THERE* nobody'll use it.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

On 20 Sep 2006 23:43:59 -0700, Neil Williams
wrote in .com:

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

I thought that was what the windowsill behind the seats was for.
I'm sure I've never tucked a read paper behind my head on a moderately packed
train without someone reaching across for it within seconds (or responding to
my invitation to take it because of obvious interest before tucking it away).

--
Ivan Reid, Electronic & Computer Engineering, ___ CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. ] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Dave Newt wrote:

So why did you say you want water in bottles banned from the tube?

Probably because the majority of the bottles aren't refills. Can't you
take a bit of light hearted banter.
I find it rather amusing the way people take bottles of water on trains
as if they are going on some sort of expedition.

Kevin

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Dave Newt wrote:
Kev wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:
Kev wrote:

Absolutely none but then if you agree that it is ok to truck water half
way across Europe, consuming energy and making plastic bottles,
consuming energy, then I guess it is ok. What is wrong with water out
of a tap? Consumes a damn sight less energy.
It's very tricky getting your ticket out of your pocket whilst carrying
a handful of water.
Nothing wrong with reusing a bottle filled with tap water, just why

So why did you say you want water in bottles banned from the tube?

does the bottle and the water have to come from half way across Europe.

Different point entirely. You asked for bottled water to be banned from
the tube.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:

So why did you say you want water in bottles banned from the tube?

Probably because the majority of the bottles aren't refills. Can't you
take a bit of light hearted banter.
I find it rather amusing the way people take bottles of water on trains
as if they are going on some sort of expedition.

Mine is refilled but from a bigger bottle. The small ones are
convenient to take around but their price is rip-off given the price of
the larger equivalents.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:

So why did you say you want water in bottles banned from the tube?

Probably because the majority of the bottles aren't refills. Can't you
take a bit of light hearted banter.
I find it rather amusing the way people take bottles of water on trains
as if they are going on some sort of expedition.


They might be of course 8-).

In my case, I have usually spent several hours in a dry court room,
often with a dry judge, and often with me doing a lot of talking. I'm
usually very dehydrated indeed on the way home and do carry water with
me to help rehydrate myself. Needless to say its Thames Water out of my
tap -- surely you have no objection to that?

Francis

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

wrote:
Kev wrote:
Dave Newt wrote:

So why did you say you want water in bottles banned from the tube?

Probably because the majority of the bottles aren't refills. Can't you
take a bit of light hearted banter.
I find it rather amusing the way people take bottles of water on trains
as if they are going on some sort of expedition.


They might be of course 8-).

In my case, I have usually spent several hours in a dry court room,
often with a dry judge, and often with me doing a lot of talking. I'm
usually very dehydrated indeed on the way home and do carry water with
me to help rehydrate myself. Needless to say its Thames Water out of my
tap -- surely you have no objection to that?

Francis

Non at all, I was being flippant with the bottled water comment but I
do feel strongly about the waste aspect of carting it across Europe.

Kevin

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:
Non at all, I was being flippant with the bottled water comment but I
do feel strongly about the waste aspect of carting it across Europe.

Most of it is from England, Scotland or France. Hardly "across Europe".

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

Kev wrote:

Dave Newt wrote:

So why did you say you want water in bottles banned from the tube?

Probably because the majority of the bottles aren't refills. Can't you
take a bit of light hearted banter.
I find it rather amusing the way people take bottles of water on trains
as if they are going on some sort of expedition.

Kevin

At the weekend - and especially in the summer, but also throughout the
year - I'm often out and about in London town for several hours or
whole days on end, and leave the house without necessarily having an
overall plan for the day. So I'll put a refilled bottle of water in my
bag. I've no desire to spend money acquiring water if I can avoid doing
so (let alone sweet fizzy drinks), and like other posters here I object
to the waste caused by bottled water.

Free papers 'clog up underground'
 

The railways and (slightly less so) the Tube are missing a trick with
newspapers, free or otherwise, in that they get picked up as rubbish.
Why not put a clearly-signed plastic newspaper rack in each vestibule
(perhaps facing the seats on the Tube so it doesn't get in the way of
standing passengers) and encourage passengers by way of notices and
announcements to leave any unused newspapers in the rack for another
person to read?

Tidier, more environmentally-friendly, good passenger service and would
cost next to nothing.

Neil


Better still if the peasants could take their free comix with them and
dispose of them like grown-ups