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TBirdFrank wrote:
It provides, sadly, the best reason for having your own private
transport if you are out late at night, or arranging to travel in a
group.

Having a post-pubs train service is a good thing. You obviously have
to expect a different atmosphere on a train full of people who have
mostly had a drink to that on a morning commuter train, but by and
large it's trouble-free, if, at times, raucous.

Incidents where it gets really threatening are, fortunately, pretty
rare. As for being in a group, it would be no bad thing if people were
a bit less insular - it would provide a lot of deterrance to the odd
troublemaker if they knew that the rest of the passengers would back
each other up.


As a bloke I never worried about travelling, late or exceedingly early
hours when younger, but as a dad, if my daughter's college activities
require her to be on campus late I would rather she gets a B & B up
there rather than taking a Preston M/cr - Manchester Hadfield late at
night.

I'm surprised that your daughter makes such a journey. I've always
thought that living away from home was an important part of higher
education. It's what makes it more than just 'more school'.


And they call this progress ........... sheeesh!

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"TBirdFrank" wrote in message
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It provides, sadly, the best reason for having your own private
transport if you are out late at night, or arranging to travel in a
group.

As a bloke I never worried about travelling, late or exceedingly early
hours when younger, but as a dad, if my daughter's college activities
require her to be on campus late I would rather she gets a B & B up
there rather than taking a Preston M/cr - Manchester Hadfield late at
night.

And they call this progress ........... sheeesh!

I wouldn't expect any problems on Local Trains, they are for Local People.


--
Ken Ward

"Society for the production of Maritime Reefs using MerseyRail 142's"
(For membership email... )
"Leave the Mobile Phone at home day Oct 25th 2006"

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In message . com, at
16:49:14 on Sat, 7 Oct 2006, remarked:
Of course, the driver may have been female,
in which case it was probably netter for the two male staff to deal
with the problem. In any case, where there is a risk of injury to
staff, it makes sense to minimise that risk to the person who can drive
the train.

That is perhaps more of an argument for reviewing the use of DOO trains
on that route, at that time of day (or indeed female-D OO trains on that
route at that time of day).
--
Roland Perry

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I'm surprised that your daughter makes such a journey. I've always
thought that living away from home was an important part of higher
education. It's what makes it more than just 'more school'.

She has for some courses - but student loans dear boy, student loans

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I wouldn't expect any problems on Local Trains, they are for Local People.

Ah - but Ken - as she gets off before Royston Vasey, she never has to
leave!

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jonmorris wrote:

I reported everything by telephone to British Transport Police, and
await an explanation from FCC. BTP were concerned by this, but I'm
not holding out much hope of them getting to the bottom of things. I
don't know who the people were who claimed to be working for the
railway, and never got to speak to the driver.

http://www.documentcapture.co.uk/forms/btp_2006.htm

BTP are running a survey about crime on the railway. You should forward
your observations.

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Roland Perry wrote:

That is perhaps more of an argument for reviewing the use of DOO trains
on that route, at that time of day (or indeed female-D OO trains on that
route at that time of day).

I wouldn't say so. A single guard is as likely to avoid the situation
due to danger to himself as the driver is.

What it might be an argument for is the abolition of the BTP and its
replacement with local force jurisdiction, as I expect it would have
been a lot easier to have local plod waiting for the train in such an
instance, which would have been the ideal situation.

Neil

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TBirdFrank wrote:

And they call this progress ........... sheeesh!

No, they call it the faster spread of news. Without this NG, none of
us would ever have heard of this incident, nor of any other similar
ones.

I have never, ever, in many journeys over many years, encountered
anything I'd think to be remotely threatening on a late-night train.
I've seen drunk people, silliness, high spirits and such, but never
anything seriously threatening. Most late-night trains I've been on
have been quiet and subdued, while others (such as the last run to
Buxton on a Friday night) almost feel like a social club.

While this incident raises major questions in how it was handled, I'd
think that was fairly good odds, and I really wouldn't worry.

Neil

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message . com,
at 16:49:14 on Sat, 7 Oct 2006,
remarked:
Of course, the driver may have been female,
in which case it was probably netter for the two male staff to deal
with the problem. In any case, where there is a risk of injury to
staff, it makes sense to minimise that risk to the person who can
drive the train.

That is perhaps more of an argument for reviewing the use of DOO
trains on that route, at that time of day (or indeed female-D OO
trains on that route at that time of day).

Not really. It's why WAGN introduced security guards and First (they
claim) use their own security staff.

--
Colin Rosenstiel