Ease of interchange on the tube
 

Does anyone know of a good resource for finding out the ease of
interchange between lines at London Underground interchange stations? I
happen to know, for example, that to change from the Victoria Line to
the Bakerloo line at Oxford Circus when travelling southbound is a
simple platform cross. But is there anywhere I can look up this sort of
information for all stations?

I am aware that the extendedness of blob gives a rough indication of
the interchange difficulty, but I would appreciate a pointer to any
website or publication which is a bit more thorough

Thanks!
MU

Ease of interchange on the tube
 

Ease of interchange on the tube
 

wrote:
Does anyone know of a good resource for finding out the ease of
interchange between lines at London Underground interchange
stations? I happen to know, for example, that to change from the
Victoria Line to the Bakerloo line at Oxford Circus when travelling
southbound is a simple platform cross. But is there anywhere I can
look up this sort of information for all stations?

I am aware that the extendedness of blob gives a rough indication of
the interchange difficulty, but I would appreciate a pointer to any
website or publication which is a bit more thorough

Go to http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/maps/ and look under Accessible Tube
maps. The Tube Access Guide and its index give information about
step-free interchanges. Not quite what you asked for, but it may help.

I thought there used to be a detailed guide to each station showing the
number of steps up/down for each entrance/exit/interchange, but I can't
find it on the TfL website.

Ah! Found it on my hard drive! It's an Excel spreadsheet (270KB) that
tells you, for example, that to get from the Piccadilly to the Victoria
line at Green Park, it's 19 stairs up, then a long subway, then 13 + 13
stairs down. I've had it since April 2005, but it appears to date from
about 2001. Does anyone know if there's an up-to-date version online?
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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On 21 Oct 2006 07:35:15 -0700, wrote:

I am aware that the extendedness of blob gives a rough indication of
the interchange difficulty,

I don't believe it does. There are some stations on the map where an
attempt seems to have been made (e.g. Baker Street, Euston), but there
are also plenty of counterexamples (King's Cross, Green Park). Perhaps
where there does seem to be an indication it's just coincidence.

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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:06:05 +0100, Steve M
wrote:

wrote:
Does anyone know of a good resource for finding out the ease of
interchange between lines at London Underground interchange stations? I
happen to know, for example, that to change from the Victoria Line to
the Bakerloo line at Oxford Circus when travelling southbound is a
simple platform cross. But is there anywhere I can look up this sort of
information for all stations?

I am aware that the extendedness of blob gives a rough indication of
the interchange difficulty, but I would appreciate a pointer to any
website or publication which is a bit more thorough

Thanks!
MU


I think you want the "Way Out Tube Map" - it even tells you which
carriage to travel in for the shortest interchange!

There are a few of these cross-platform interchanges across the Tube
network. From memory...

Oxford Circus (Victoria to Bakerloo, NB and SB)
Stockwell (Northern to Victoria, NB and SB)
Highbury and Islington (NR to Victoria, NB and SB)
Baker Street (Bakerloo to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Euston (Northern Bank Branch to Victoria, NB and SB)
Finsbury Park (Piccadilly to Victoria, NB and SB)
Barons Court (District to Piccadilly, EB and WB)

And Acton Town and Hammersmith D&P as above. Also Turnham Green when the
Picc stops there.

Finchley Road (Metropolitan to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Kennington (Northern Bank to Northern CX, NB and SB)
Mile End (Central to District, EB and WB)

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint running
lines such as round the Circle)?

Earls Court - between branches of the District Line (WB and EB)
Rayners Lane - Picc & Met but only for Picc trains terminating there.
Ealing Common - District to Picc (Ealing Bdwy branch - Picc trains)
Wembley Park - Met / Jubilee
Finchley Road - Met / Jubilee
Ealing Broadway - Central / District which IIRC is on the same level.
There is also some level access to NR lines to Paddington?
Gunnersbury - District to NLL
West Brompton - District n/b to NR s/b
Barking - District to NR (certain platforms only) ?
Stratford - Central Line to NR also Central Line w/b to DLR and Jubilee
Line to NLL w/b.

I'm sure I've still missed some out and stretched the definition a bit
in places but there you are.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:06:05 +0100, Steve M wrote:

There are a few of these cross-platform interchanges across the Tube
network. From memory...

Oxford Circus (Victoria to Bakerloo, NB and SB)
Stockwell (Northern to Victoria, NB and SB)
Highbury and Islington (NR to Victoria, NB and SB)

NR as in FCC, not the NLL

Baker Street (Bakerloo to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Euston (Northern Bank Branch to Victoria, NB and SB)
Finsbury Park (Piccadilly to Victoria, NB and SB)
Barons Court (District to Piccadilly, EB and WB)
Finchley Road (Metropolitan to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Kennington (Northern Bank to Northern CX, NB and SB)
Mile End (Central to District, EB and WB)

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint running
lines such as round the Circle)?

Off the top of my head (and stretching the definition of
cross-platform in places)...

Acton Town, Hammersmith, Wembley Park, Queen's Park (don't know if you
count these as joint running lines)
Greenford
Ealing Broadway (sort of)
High Street Kensington (Olympia shuttles to/from NB Circle/District)
Earl's Court (since you're counting Kennington)
Kensington Olympia (District to/from northbound NR only)
West Brompton (NB District to/from SB NR only)
Farringdon (WB SSL to/from EB NR, though there are a few steps)
Moorgate (WB SSL to WB NR only)
Stratford (Central to/from NR, and WB Central/NR to/from DLR)
Barking (District to/from c2c)
New Cross, New Cross Gate, Richmond, Upminster (to/from certain NR
platforms only)

That should help in compiling an exhaustive list.

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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:06:05 +0100, Steve M
wrote:

wrote:
Does anyone know of a good resource for finding out the ease of
interchange between lines at London Underground interchange stations? I
happen to know, for example, that to change from the Victoria Line to
the Bakerloo line at Oxford Circus when travelling southbound is a
simple platform cross. But is there anywhere I can look up this sort of
information for all stations?

I am aware that the extendedness of blob gives a rough indication of
the interchange difficulty, but I would appreciate a pointer to any
website or publication which is a bit more thorough

Thanks!
MU


I think you want the "Way Out Tube Map" - it even tells you which
carriage to travel in for the shortest interchange!

There are a few of these cross-platform interchanges across the Tube
network. From memory...

Oxford Circus (Victoria to Bakerloo, NB and SB)
Stockwell (Northern to Victoria, NB and SB)
Highbury and Islington (NR to Victoria, NB and SB)
Baker Street (Bakerloo to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Euston (Northern Bank Branch to Victoria, NB and SB)
Finsbury Park (Piccadilly to Victoria, NB and SB)
Barons Court (District to Piccadilly, EB and WB)

And Acton Town and Hammersmith D&P as above. Also Turnham Green when the
Picc stops there.

Finchley Road (Metropolitan to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Kennington (Northern Bank to Northern CX, NB and SB)
Mile End (Central to District, EB and WB)

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint running
lines such as round the Circle)?

Earls Court - between branches of the District Line (WB and EB)
Rayners Lane - Picc & Met but only for Picc trains terminating there.
Ealing Common - District to Picc (Ealing Bdwy branch - Picc trains)
Wembley Park - Met / Jubilee
Finchley Road - Met / Jubilee
Ealing Broadway - Central / District which IIRC is on the same level.
There is also some level access to NR lines to Paddington?
Gunnersbury - District to NLL
West Brompton - District n/b to NR s/b
Barking - District to NR (certain platforms only) ?
Stratford - Central Line to NR also Central Line w/b to DLR and Jubilee
Line to NLL w/b.

I'm sure I've still missed some out and stretched the definition a bit
in places but there you are.



Information on step-free interchanges, rather than just length, would
probably be rather useful. Step-free ways out as well. Like
City/Victoria to Euston concourse and Bakerloo to Paddington concourse.

Ease of interchange on the tube
 

Steve M wrote:

(snip)

There are a few of these cross-platform interchanges across the Tube
network. From memory...

Oxford Circus (Victoria to Bakerloo, NB and SB)
Stockwell (Northern to Victoria, NB and SB)
Highbury and Islington (NR to Victoria, NB and SB)

^^^ Only cross platform interchange between the Victoria line and the
Great Northern line to/from Moorgate - aka the Northern City Line
(trains currently operated First Capital Connect). There's no
cross-platform interchange with the North London Line (aka Silverlink
Metro).

Baker Street (Bakerloo to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Euston (Northern Bank Branch to Victoria, NB and SB)
Finsbury Park (Piccadilly to Victoria, NB and SB)
Barons Court (District to Piccadilly, EB and WB)
Finchley Road (Metropolitan to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Kennington (Northern Bank to Northern CX, NB and SB)
Mile End (Central to District, EB and WB)

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint running
lines such as round the Circle)?

Cheers

Steve M

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Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:06:05 +0100, Steve M
wrote:

(snip)

There are a few of these cross-platform interchanges across the Tube
network. From memory...

Oxford Circus (Victoria to Bakerloo, NB and SB)
Stockwell (Northern to Victoria, NB and SB)
Highbury and Islington (NR to Victoria, NB and SB)
Baker Street (Bakerloo to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Euston (Northern Bank Branch to Victoria, NB and SB)
Finsbury Park (Piccadilly to Victoria, NB and SB)
Barons Court (District to Piccadilly, EB and WB)

And Acton Town and Hammersmith D&P as above. Also Turnham Green when the
Picc stops there.

Finchley Road (Metropolitan to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Kennington (Northern Bank to Northern CX, NB and SB)
Mile End (Central to District, EB and WB)

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint running
lines such as round the Circle)?

Earls Court - between branches of the District Line (WB and EB)
Rayners Lane - Picc & Met but only for Picc trains terminating there.
Ealing Common - District to Picc (Ealing Bdwy branch - Picc trains)
Wembley Park - Met / Jubilee
Finchley Road - Met / Jubilee
Ealing Broadway - Central / District which IIRC is on the same level.
There is also some level access to NR lines to Paddington?

^^^ Correct - level access to the NR platform for services to
Paddington (and indeed Acton Main Line, though they only stop their
every half-hour).

Gunnersbury - District to NLL
West Brompton - District n/b to NR s/b
Barking - District to NR (certain platforms only) ?
Stratford - Central Line to NR also Central Line w/b to DLR and Jubilee
Line to NLL w/b.

I'm sure I've still missed some out and stretched the definition a bit
in places but there you are.


Also...

New Cross - East London Line to National Rail SB
New Cross Gate - East London Line to National Rail SB
Greenwich - DLR NB to National Rail WB

Richmond - District Line / North London Line to National Rail EB ?

Ease of interchange on the tube
 

Mizter T wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:06:05 +0100, Steve M
wrote:

(snip)

There are a few of these cross-platform interchanges across the
Tube network. From memory...

Oxford Circus (Victoria to Bakerloo, NB and SB)
Stockwell (Northern to Victoria, NB and SB)
Highbury and Islington (NR to Victoria, NB and SB)
Baker Street (Bakerloo to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Euston (Northern Bank Branch to Victoria, NB and SB)
Finsbury Park (Piccadilly to Victoria, NB and SB)
Barons Court (District to Piccadilly, EB and WB)

And Acton Town and Hammersmith D&P as above. Also Turnham Green
when the Picc stops there.

Finchley Road (Metropolitan to Jubilee, NB and SB)
Kennington (Northern Bank to Northern CX, NB and SB)
Mile End (Central to District, EB and WB)

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint
running lines such as round the Circle)?

Earls Court - between branches of the District Line (WB and EB)
Rayners Lane - Picc & Met but only for Picc trains terminating
there. Ealing Common - District to Picc (Ealing Bdwy branch - Picc
trains) Wembley Park - Met / Jubilee
Finchley Road - Met / Jubilee
Ealing Broadway - Central / District which IIRC is on the same
level. There is also some level access to NR lines to Paddington?

^^^ Correct - level access to the NR platform for services to
Paddington (and indeed Acton Main Line, though they only stop their
every half-hour).

Gunnersbury - District to NLL
West Brompton - District n/b to NR s/b
Barking - District to NR (certain platforms only) ?
Stratford - Central Line to NR also Central Line w/b to DLR and
Jubilee Line to NLL w/b.

I'm sure I've still missed some out and stretched the definition a
bit in places but there you are.


Also...

New Cross - East London Line to National Rail SB
New Cross Gate - East London Line to National Rail SB
Greenwich - DLR NB to National Rail WB

Richmond - District Line / North London Line to National Rail EB ?
Yes.

Gloucester Road - District e/b to Circle outer rail.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

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In article ,
(Steve M) wrote:

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint
running lines such as round the Circle)?

There are stations on joint running lines where interchange is worth
avoiding because you can't be sure to get a same/cross platform
interchange, e.g. Edgware Road District to Circle/H&C.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Ease of interchange on the tube
 

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Steve M) wrote:

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint
running lines such as round the Circle)?

There are stations on joint running lines where interchange is worth
avoiding because you can't be sure to get a same/cross platform
interchange, e.g. Edgware Road District to Circle/H&C.


Edgware Road confuses me each and every time I go there - can't some
amazing new passenger information system be devised for this station so
passengers are given some clue as to what is going on! Similarly a
better PIS solution is needed at Camden Town, though I don't think I
get any prizes for suggesting that!

Ease of interchange on the tube
 

Mizter T wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(Steve M) wrote:

Are there any others I've missed (excluding the obvious joint
running lines such as round the Circle)?
There are stations on joint running lines where interchange is worth
avoiding because you can't be sure to get a same/cross platform
interchange, e.g. Edgware Road District to Circle/H&C.


Edgware Road confuses me each and every time I go there - can't some
amazing new passenger information system be devised for this station so
passengers are given some clue as to what is going on! Similarly a
better PIS solution is needed at Camden Town, though I don't think I
get any prizes for suggesting that!

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:19:12 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.

It does have a "Next fastest train to..." display, but Clapham
Junction isn't on it:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...5-10-24_06.jpg

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:19:12 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.

And I'm dismayed that Paddington has a 'First train to Reading' indicated
by an asterisk next to about 5 or 6 listed departures. How can they all be
the first train. Even worse, on the displays with 2 pages, for example the
one at the exit to the Circle line station, some of these 'first trains'
appear on page 2. Someone not in the know could quite easily take a glance
at that and miss several trains stopping at Reading while waiting for one
indicated on page 2.

I suppose I should really address my question to the TOC. Ah, now I get
it! Of course, all trains from Paddington to Reading are First trains.

--
Fig

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:37:10 +0100, Fig wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:19:12 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.

And I'm dismayed that Paddington has a 'First train to Reading' indicated
by an asterisk next to about 5 or 6 listed departures. How can they all be
the first train.

They're "fast trains", not "first trains"...

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:41:18 +0100, James Farrar
wrote:

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:37:10 +0100, Fig wrote:

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:19:12 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote:

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham
Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.

And I'm dismayed that Paddington has a 'First train to Reading'
indicated
by an asterisk next to about 5 or 6 listed departures. How can they all
be
the first train.

They're "fast trains", not "first trains"...

Doh, dyslexia rules, KO.

--
Fig

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asdf wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:19:12 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.

It does have a "Next fastest train to..." display, but Clapham
Junction isn't on it:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...5-10-24_06.jpg

Yes - it's extremely stupid that it doesn't have CJ on it.

Actually, with these boards, I wonder whether they just work on the
timetable data or whether they account for delays to departing trains.
Personally I wouldn't expect them to be clever enough...

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

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Dave Arquati wrote:
asdf wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:19:12 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.

It does have a "Next fastest train to..." display, but Clapham
Junction isn't on it:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...5-10-24_06.jpg

Yes - it's extremely stupid that it doesn't have CJ on it.

Actually, with these boards, I wonder whether they just work on the
timetable data or whether they account for delays to departing trains.
Personally I wouldn't expect them to be clever enough...



The ones on SET at places like Lewisham certainly don't cope. They
will tell you that the next train to London Bridge is coming at
whatever time the next scheduled train is likely to eventually turn up,
regardless of whether several undelayed ones might be going there
sooner. Even to the extent of showing that the next train to London
Bridge is cancelled, which doesn't really help with when the next one
is.

So it seems to work out when the next scheduled train is and then
simply repeat its expected time or cancelled status, with no reference
to any other trains coming sooner.

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MIG wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:
asdf wrote:
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:19:12 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:

I'm amazed that Victoria doesn't have a "next train to Clapham Junction"
display - unless it's so obvious that I've missed it.
It does have a "Next fastest train to..." display, but Clapham
Junction isn't on it:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...5-10-24_06.jpg
Yes - it's extremely stupid that it doesn't have CJ on it.

Actually, with these boards, I wonder whether they just work on the
timetable data or whether they account for delays to departing trains.
Personally I wouldn't expect them to be clever enough...



The ones on SET at places like Lewisham certainly don't cope. They
will tell you that the next train to London Bridge is coming at
whatever time the next scheduled train is likely to eventually turn up,
regardless of whether several undelayed ones might be going there
sooner. Even to the extent of showing that the next train to London
Bridge is cancelled, which doesn't really help with when the next one
is.

So it seems to work out when the next scheduled train is and then
simply repeat its expected time or cancelled status, with no reference
to any other trains coming sooner.

Shame - you'd think it would be easy enough to take the number of
minutes delayed, add it to the calculated London Bridge arrival time,
and then work out which train is fastest using that...

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Sally - RNIB members provide some details at
http://www.describe-online.com/lul/tubemap.htm
Sometimes you have to deduce the "easy" changes from the fact that there is no interchange route given! Gives details of routes from different platforms and also exiting the stations