TheOneKEA wrote:


This is what I don't understand - you (and others) keep going on about
how everyone on this part of the NLL wants to go to and from Hackney.
Why?!?


Well, I tend to travel during the day (for some reason) and usually
travel Highbury and Islington - North Woolwich. Most of the North
Woolwich passengers have boarded before Stratford.

But it also links North London, much further West than Hackney, to
London City Airport. That is useful. There is already a DLR link there,
which "links" to central London (with lots of shaking around), but the
silverlink supplied a north london link.

Francis

wrote:
TheOneKEA wrote:

This is what I don't understand - you (and others) keep going on about
how everyone on this part of the NLL wants to go to and from Hackney.
Why?!?


Well, I tend to travel during the day (for some reason) and usually
travel Highbury and Islington - North Woolwich. Most of the North
Woolwich passengers have boarded before Stratford.

But it also links North London, much further West than Hackney, to
London City Airport. That is useful. There is already a DLR link there,
which "links" to central London (with lots of shaking around), but the
silverlink supplied a north london link.

The walk from Silvertown to London City Airport isn't exactly the nicest
thing to do, and the line is prone to flooding as well.

And having just checked the TfL Journey Planner, from where I live in
Edmonton it's recommending various routes to Bank, then the DLR, with a
journey time of around 1.5 hours.

The only times it seems to suggest using Silverlink are if you put a
Silverlink Station in as the origin...And even then it says to change to
the DLR at Canning Town.

Cheers,

Barry

"TheOneKEA" wrote in news:1161798788.083458.123100
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Again, I am genuinely curious as to whether or not there really are
people doing these types of journeys, and if so, if there are enough of
them that replacing the NLL with the DLR will force them to change
modes.



I live in Canning Town and work near Hampstead Heath BR station, so I'm one
for a start.

I also go to Camden Town market a lot and use Camden Road. And I play poker
in Finchley Road & Frognal, and use it then as well.

So yes, I am a big user of it.

Then there's the people who live in Hackney etc and want to go to City
Airport. I know of two girls in Hackney who go to City airport quite often
for trips to Germany and Holland.

Barry Salter wrote in news:ehoiuj$oia$1
:

SNIP
The only times it seems to suggest using Silverlink are if you put a
Silverlink Station in as the origin...And even then it says to change
to
the DLR at Canning Town.


Not surprised. The Silverlink seems to not work well on the Journey
Planner website, I've been complaining about that since it started.

Want a proof? Try typing in

tomorrow 26 October, 13:10

STATION START: CANNING TOWN
STATION END: CAMDEN TOWN


Now, the Silvelink does it in 26 minutes.

But the first option given is a journey involving two two journeys
(Jubilee to London Bridge, London Bridge to Camden Town) and then a bus
journey (Camden Town to Camden Road).
Total: 48 minutes.

It even chooses a route starting at 12:59!

So complete and utter ********.

You and I know that the Silverlink is the best service, yet it decides
that it's the second best.

There is a bias about the Silverlink south of Stratford on the site. It
even gives as an option waiting 18 minutes (why?) for a Jubilee Line,
missing the Silverlink from Canning Town and then getting the later
Silverlink from Stratford.

As you can see, the website is clueless about the Silverlink. If this is
the data they rely on when trying to decide whether or not to close part
of a service, no wonder they decide to close it down. I bet you those
that make the decision don't live in Canning Town and use the line
themselves, but probably in some nice big house somewhere greener.

****'em. I have never ever been approached or asked or polled about my
decisions on that line or any line. I have never seen a poster saying
"we are thinking about removing this section of the line, do you have
any feedback". Just a poster saying the section is being withdrawn and
******** to ya.

I'm bitter about it. Very bitter.

Tristán White wrote:
Barry Salter wrote in news:ehoiuj$oia$1
:

SNIP
The only times it seems to suggest using Silverlink are if you put
a Silverlink Station in as the origin...And even then it says to
change to the DLR at Canning Town.


Not surprised. The Silverlink seems to not work well on the Journey
Planner website, I've been complaining about that since it started.

Want a proof? Try typing in

tomorrow 26 October, 13:10

STATION START: CANNING TOWN
STATION END: CAMDEN TOWN

You meant CAMDEN ROAD

Now, the Silvelink does it in 26 minutes.

But the first option given is a journey involving two two journeys
(Jubilee to London Bridge, London Bridge to Camden Town) and then a
bus journey (Camden Town to Camden Road).
Total: 48 minutes.

It even chooses a route starting at 12:59!

That's because, quite reasonably, it offers several journeys starting
either side of the departure time you specified.

So complete and utter ********.

I'm not sure if it is deliberate or not, but I find it daft that the JP
offers a journey that starts earlier and finishes later than the next
one on its list, which is why that 48-minute journey shouldn't have been
included. But it's a general feature of the JP, not just NLL-related.

You and I know that the Silverlink is the best service, yet it
decides that it's the second best.

Not second best, just the second in a list ordered by departure time.
Whether Silverlink is the best service, leaving aside issues of
reliability, comfort, etc., depends on when you get to Canning Town, as
their trains only run every 30 minutes.

There is a bias about the Silverlink south of Stratford on the
site. It even gives as an option waiting 18 minutes (why?) for a
Jubilee Line, missing the Silverlink from Canning Town and then
getting the later Silverlink from Stratford.

Again, you misunderstand what the JP is offering. It doesn't suggest you
wait 18 minutes. It's telling you that if you are late getting to
Canning Town, and arrive there between 13:19 and 13:28, then
Jubilee+Silverlink is the fastest route, which is true.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

TheOneKEA wrote:

I'm not a fan of it mainly because it's so run-down, dirty and
obviously uncared for. Had TfL taken over the NLL early on and cleaned
it up, I'll bet there would be more people wondering why the NLL was
being replaced.

Agreed. Local heavy rail in general in London is an embarrassment.
There is really no good reason, given how much money there is in
London, why it shouldn't be as good as Merseyrail has become.

The state of the track on the WCML DC lines is a case in point. It's
scandalous.

Neil

You meant CAMDEN ROAD


I did indeed; well spotted!

TheOneKEA wrote:
wrote:
Its a great shame that a useful rail link is being closed. When I
travel on it, it often seems fairly full, certainly there are less well
used routes.

It's not useful. It has far too little capacity and runs through some
less than modern areas of southeast London. The DLR on the other hand
has far more capacity to run a proper service to serve the airport, and
has the advantage of providing a direct connection to the City and a
single-change connection to Canary Wharf, whereas the NLL only goes to
Stratford and beyond. The demographics of the area suggest that most
people want to go elsewhere in Docklands, not to Hackney.


Its not either/or. The DLR runs into the city from the airport at
present and does so without the necessity of closing the silverlink. I
don't object to that (though would prefer a more comfortable ride),
what I don't see is the need to close the silverlink and put in the DLR
from canning town to stratford.

Francis

wrote:


Its not either/or. The DLR runs into the city from the airport at
present and does so without the necessity of closing the silverlink. I
don't object to that (though would prefer a more comfortable ride),
what I don't see is the need to close the silverlink and put in the DLR
from canning town to stratford.

IIRC it's so they can be ready for when (or if) Crossrail eventually
takes over the NLL tracks between Canning Town and Silvertown.

In message .com,
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Its not either/or. The DLR runs into the city from the airport at
present and does so without the necessity of closing the silverlink. I
don't object to that (though would prefer a more comfortable ride),
what I don't see is the need to close the silverlink and put in the DLR
from canning town to stratford.

Additional to the other reasons presented: The extra stops serving more
people locally?