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My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul

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"Paul Speller" wrote in message
...
My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul

Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover' station...

Paul S.

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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

"Paul Speller" wrote in message
...
My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul

Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...

Paul S.

Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf

Paul S.

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My understanding is that there are "special" fares for the extension -
certainly when I have travelled out to Northfleet on my GoldCard, I have
bought a Zone 6 to Northfleet extension.

John

In article , Paul Scott notvalidpmscott@
btinternet.com writes

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

"Paul Speller" wrote in message
...
My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul

Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...

Paul S.

Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf

Paul S.



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That's going outwards. I don't think you can do the same going inwards.
--
David Biddulph

"John" wrote in message
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My understanding is that there are "special" fares for the extension -
certainly when I have travelled out to Northfleet on my GoldCard, I have
bought a Zone 6 to Northfleet extension.

John

In article , Paul Scott notvalidpmscott@
btinternet.com writes

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...

"Paul Speller" wrote in message
...
My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately
outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul

Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...

Paul S.

Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf

Paul S.



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In message , David Biddulph
writes
That's going outwards. I don't think you can do the same going inwards.
Cannot you ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone ?
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martyn dawe

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"martyn dawe" wrote in message
...
In message , David Biddulph
writes
That's going outwards. I don't think you can do the same going inwards.

Cannot you ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone ?

No.

Page K1.5 in the NFM
(http://www.atoc.org/retail/_download...4_Common_K.pdf) says:
"Excess fare tickets must never be issued to a Travelcard Zone or
combination of Zones. They may only be issued from a Boundary Zone to
destinations, and at fares shown, in Section K3."
--
David Biddulph

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:48:01 -0000, Paul Scott wrote:

Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...
Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf

Thanks very much for this info and link - very useful!

Paul S.

Me too :)

Paul

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Cannot you ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone ?

No.

Page K1.5 in the NFM
(http://www.atoc.org/retail/_download...4_Common_K.pdf) says:
"Excess fare tickets must never be issued to a Travelcard Zone or
combination of Zones. They may only be issued from a Boundary Zone to
destinations, and at fares shown, in Section K3."

Yes you can ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone.

That bit of the National Fares Manual describes that tickets _can_ be
issued to the _beginning_ (in practise, the outer boundary) of a zone
(as the OP asked) - for use in conjunction with a ticket valid within
it. The term used is "boundary", so the destination will be printed as
"Boundary Zone 6". The rule quoted above distinguishes between this and
issuing an excess fare to be used anywhere within a zone, as with LUL
tickets for example.

Don't count on the fare being cheaper than that to the first station
inside the boundary, though. That would be far too simple.

To give an example of this in practise (although the "other way
around"):

Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

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"Keith Raeburn" wrote in message
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Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

Yes - but you are describing an outward journey. As has been pointed out
already, you cannot buy an 'inbound' ticket from a NR station outside the
zones. Don't know why.

Paul

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Paul Scott wrote:
"Keith Raeburn" wrote in message
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Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

Yes - but you are describing an outward journey. As has been pointed out
already, you cannot buy an 'inbound' ticket from a NR station outside the
zones. Don't know why.

Apologies if I have misunderstood, but if you mean I cannot buy from
(say) Hertford East station "a single to Boundary Zone 3 as I have a
Z123 Oyster", then yes you can, as I do it about twice a week.

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Keith Raeburn wrote:


Yes you can ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone.

Don't count on the fare being cheaper than that to the first station
inside the boundary, though. That would be far too simple.


Certainly you can *ask* and the booking clerk will understand you,
but (in my experience) you will *not* receive.
Twice recently I have landed at Gatwick and asked for a single to
"the edge of Zone 6"; each time, without comment, I have been handed
a ticket to (IIRC) Coulsdon South, the first station inside the
"Zones". The clerk also volunteered the information "any train from
platform ... " (in other words, anything except Gatwick Express,
whether or not it stops at Coulsdon South).
On the other hand, going outward to anywhere, I get a ticket which
states "from boundary Zone 6". The wording is different in the two
directions, but the rules and the price seem to be the same.
I have a pensioner's "Freedom Pass" but I imagine the rules are the
same as for Gold Cards.
--
Bill Borland

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Bill wrote:
Keith Raeburn wrote:

Yes you can ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone.

Don't count on the fare being cheaper than that to the first station
inside the boundary, though. That would be far too simple.


Certainly you can *ask* and the booking clerk will understand you,
but (in my experience) you will *not* receive.
Twice recently I have landed at Gatwick and asked for a single to
"the edge of Zone 6"; each time, without comment, I have been handed
a ticket to (IIRC) Coulsdon South, the first station inside the
"Zones". The clerk also volunteered the information "any train from
platform ... " (in other words, anything except Gatwick Express,
whether or not it stops at Coulsdon South).

[see my other post]

Sometimes when I ask for Hertford East to Bounday Zone 3, my ticket says
"Boundary Zone 3". Other times it says "Seven Sisters", "Tottenham
Hale", "Northumberland Park" or "White Hart Lane". I assume it's a case
of the ticket seller either knowing how to issue BZ tickets or, if they
don't, just guessing what the appropriate destination should be.

In fact, last time I did it in the opposite direction, and asked for
"BZ3 to Hertford East", the ticket seller at Tottenham Hale thought for
a millisecond, then asked me "How much do you normally pay for that
then?" I replied, "Oh, about £6.20 I think", and he issued me with an
LUL Extension ticket for £6.20, i.e. no destination of any sort printed
on it.

Is this because they don't know, or because it involves pressing too
many buttons, or is there actually a good reason for it?

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"Dave Newt" wrote in message
...

Sometimes when I ask for Hertford East to Bounday Zone 3, my ticket says
"Boundary Zone 3". Other times it says "Seven Sisters", "Tottenham Hale",
"Northumberland Park" or "White Hart Lane". I assume it's a case of the
ticket seller either knowing how to issue BZ tickets or, if they don't,
just guessing what the appropriate destination should be.

Is this because they don't know, or because it involves pressing too many
buttons, or is there actually a good reason for it?

I have always assumed that its to stop you taking a journey round the
outside of zone 6 by NR, by issuing to a particular station just inside zone
6, the permitted route rules can be enforced easier. The fares manual
clearly states that fares to zone boundaries are not to be sold - that
doesn't mean the ticketing system used by 'one' can't print them...

Paul

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Dave Newt wrote:

Sometimes when I ask for Hertford East to Bounday Zone 3, my ticket says
"Boundary Zone 3". Other times it says "Seven Sisters", "Tottenham
Hale", "Northumberland Park" or "White Hart Lane". I assume it's a case
of the ticket seller either knowing how to issue BZ tickets or, if they
don't, just guessing what the appropriate destination should be.

It *should* say one of Bowes Park, White Hart Lane or Northumberland
Park, depending on what route you're taking. Tickets must NOT be sold TO
Boundary Zones, as otherwise it all gets very confusing. (Boundary Zone
3 heading outward, becomes Boundary Zone *4* heading inbound)

In fact, last time I did it in the opposite direction, and asked for
"BZ3 to Hertford East", the ticket seller at Tottenham Hale thought for
a millisecond, then asked me "How much do you normally pay for that
then?" I replied, "Oh, about £6.20 I think", and he issued me with an
LUL Extension ticket for £6.20, i.e. no destination of any sort printed
on it.

Is this because they don't know, or because it involves pressing too
many buttons, or is there actually a good reason for it?

It's more likely because the LU ticket machines aren't *that*
sophisticated. ;) Though they *can* show certain NR destinations.

Cheers,

Barry

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:03:55 +0000, Dave Newt
wrote:



Paul Scott wrote:
"Keith Raeburn" wrote in message
ups.com...
Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

Yes - but you are describing an outward journey. As has been pointed out
already, you cannot buy an 'inbound' ticket from a NR station outside the
zones. Don't know why.

Apologies if I have misunderstood, but if you mean I cannot buy from
(say) Hertford East station "a single to Boundary Zone 3 as I have a
Z123 Oyster", then yes you can, as I do it about twice a week.

And it says "Boundary Zone 3" on it?

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:47:31 +0000, Dave Newt wrote:

In fact, last time I did it in the opposite direction, and asked for
"BZ3 to Hertford East", the ticket seller at Tottenham Hale thought for
a millisecond, then asked me "How much do you normally pay for that
then?" I replied, "Oh, about £6.20 I think", and he issued me with an
LUL Extension ticket for £6.20, i.e. no destination of any sort printed
on it.

Is this because they don't know, or because it involves pressing too
many buttons, or is there actually a good reason for it?

It saves him having to look up the fare in a book.

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James Farrar wrote:
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:03:55 +0000, Dave Newt
wrote:


Paul Scott wrote:
"Keith Raeburn" wrote in message
ups.com...
Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

Yes - but you are describing an outward journey. As has been pointed out
already, you cannot buy an 'inbound' ticket from a NR station outside the
zones. Don't know why.
Apologies if I have misunderstood, but if you mean I cannot buy from
(say) Hertford East station "a single to Boundary Zone 3 as I have a
Z123 Oyster", then yes you can, as I do it about twice a week.

And it says "Boundary Zone 3" on it?

Not *always* (see my other post), but I was pretty sure that I have
succeeded in getting one on some occasions. Though now I'm starting to
doubt and will check the next few times!

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Paul Scott wrote:
"Keith Raeburn" wrote in message
ups.com...

Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

Yes - but you are describing an outward journey. As has been pointed out
already, you cannot buy an 'inbound' ticket from a NR station outside the
zones. Don't know why.

Interesting. Recently I had to travel from my home in New Cross to
Weybridge for work. At New Cross station I asked for a "return
extension from boundary Zone 2 to Weybridge" and got two printed
tickets, one saying "Boundary Zone 2 to Weybridge" and the other saying
"Weybridge to Boundary Zone 2".

Are you saying that if I had started the journey in Weybridge (outside
the zones), I wouldn't have been able to ask for a "return extention to
boundary Zone 2", and received the same two tickets to use in the
reverse order? How odd.

Patrick

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