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John Rowland wrote:
That's partly because there are semi-fasts which skip Palmers Green, and there are no overtaking opportunities between Stevenage junction and Alexandra Palace via Palmers Green (although they can start extra trains at Gordon Hill or Hertford North). When I met FCC, about a number of issues, I was told that TfL are working with them to increase the services from Moorgate throughout the day. No date was given, but the plan is to run a tube-like frequency ALL day and later into the evenings. I have to assume that TfL (or perhaps local authorities) will partly fund the move, but didn't ask about the funding issue. Another discussion has also boosted my chances of getting a new service in the morning from Hatfield (a train just for me.. woohoo!!) with a bit of juggling around of services. May have to wait for the next timetable but one, but Wagn never managed it in all their years of service. :-) Jonathan |
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Drayton Park serves Arsenal FC fairly well.
Although it's being closed on match days isn't terribly helpful. Edward Cowling London UK wrote: Ahh good old British organisation, kind of makes you proud :-) Well, as it stands the station has to be closed because people would end up falling on the track. I thought Arsenal were going to pay to upgrade the station but I was either totally wrong, or they managed to wriggle out of it. So, not sure who gets the blame - but the fact is Drayton Park will always be closed on match days/nights. What would be nice is FCC starting to run 8 car trains on off-peak trains if Arsenal is playing at home - or extra services using 313s between Stevenage and Finsbury Park (where the bulk of the fans board and alight). Jonathan |
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Tom Anderson wrote
Interesting. New Southgate suffers from being right next door to Arnos Grove tube In the morning/evening peak, a train from New Southgate will only have a couple of stops to Finsbury Park and Kings Cross. Taking the tube would be a silly option, but I guess more people do as Arnos Grove is always busy and New Southgate is usually quite deserted. When I lived in Enfield, it took ages to get into central London via the Piccadilly Line. By contrast, Hatfield via FCC gets me there in 21 minutes (30 in the morning peak, with more stations served). Of course, I pay a lot more for the added convenience - although I also now live in a 3 bedroom house, having sold a 1 bedroom flat in London! Tube trains are great in central London, but on the outskirts, they're actually not very fast or convenient. Yes, you get more regular trains but the overall journey time is often much worse. Your mileage may vary, obviously - especially if you live next to a tube station and miles from an overground railway station!! Jonathan |
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Jonathan Morris wrote:
John Rowland wrote: That's partly because there are semi-fasts which skip Palmers Green, and there are no overtaking opportunities between Stevenage junction and Alexandra Palace via Palmers Green (although they can start extra trains at Gordon Hill or Hertford North). When I met FCC, about a number of issues, I was told that TfL are working with them to increase the services from Moorgate throughout the day. No date was given, but the plan is to run a tube-like frequency ALL day and later into the evenings. Were weekends mentioned? Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway. tom -- I do not think we will have to wait for long. |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
Were weekends mentioned? I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent service, but a service nonetheless. Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway. I think they have the stock, as they can run a high frequency service during the peaks (remember, the high frequency part will be Moorgate to AP, as beyond that they split on each branch - and that would mean more paths and stock, which isn't necessarily possible anytime soon). At weekends, 313s go into Kings Cross. So, if Moorgate was to continue in operation, there would be the issue of how frequent a service could be provided from KGX (on a Sunday, it would pretty much be an hourly service for me). Who said timetabling was easy?! Jonathan |
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In article om, Earl
Purple writes You'll probably find, if you look at a map, that although the journey towards Cockfosters is called "Eastbound", the East-most station is Manor House after which your journey heads back towards to the West (as well as North). Manor House is indeed the easternmost station; Cockfosters is slightly west of Hyde Park Corner. Here are the positions of the stations between the two; the first three digits are the easting co-ordinate, in 100m units. 281963 Cockfosters 293959 Oakwood 296942 Southgate 293925 Arnos Grove 300915 Bounds Green 310904 Wood Green 315896 Turnpike Lane 320874 Manor House 313867 Finsbury Park 314861 Arsenal 309854 Holloway Road 305849 Caledonian Road 302829 King's Cross St. Pancras 301821 Russell Square 305815 Holborn 302810 Covent Garden 299808 Leicester Square 296806 Piccadilly Circus 289802 Green Park 282798 Hyde Park Corner 278796 Knightsbridge -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Tel: +44 20 8495 6138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
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![]() Jonathan Morris wrote: Drayton Park serves Arsenal FC fairly well. Although it's being closed on match days isn't terribly helpful. Edward Cowling London UK wrote: Ahh good old British organisation, kind of makes you proud :-) Well, as it stands the station has to be closed because people would end up falling on the track. I thought Arsenal were going to pay to upgrade the station but I was either totally wrong, or they managed to wriggle out of it. So, not sure who gets the blame - but the fact is Drayton Park will always be closed on match days/nights. What would be nice is FCC starting to run 8 car trains on off-peak trains if Arsenal is playing at home - or extra services using 313s between Stevenage and Finsbury Park (where the bulk of the fans board and alight). Jonathan FCC DO run extra trains when Arsenal play at home. Being the numbskulls that they are, they don't advertise them in advance, though. So, last Saturday, for example following the 13:03 from Winchmore Hill was a 13:08 to Finsbury Park excl. Hornsey & Harringay. Same at 13:38. The 13:08 was a six car train and empty. It wouldn't be that hard for them to put posters up a week in advance (or mention their existence on their web site, you'd have thought). |
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Jonathan Morris wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: Were weekends mentioned? I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent service, but a service nonetheless. Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway. I think they have the stock, as they can run a high frequency service during the peaks (remember, the high frequency part will be Moorgate to AP, as beyond that they split on each branch - and that would mean more paths and stock, which isn't necessarily possible anytime soon). At weekends, 313s go into Kings Cross. So, if Moorgate was to continue in operation, there would be the issue of how frequent a service could be provided from KGX (on a Sunday, it would pretty much be an hourly service for me). Who said timetabling was easy?! There is also the issue that (proportional) demand for interchange at King's Cross will probably be greater at weekends, with people heading for the West End, the museums in South Ken and crossing to other terminals. -- Dave Arquati www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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![]() "Jonathan Morris" wrote in message oups.com... Tom Anderson wrote: Were weekends mentioned? I forgot to ask (didn't occur to me at the time that Moorgate was shut at weekends) but if I were a betting man, I'd guess they would run at weekends if TfL stepped in with funding. Possibly not such a frequent service, but a service nonetheless. Although given the rolling stock issues associated with a truly tube-like frequency, i suspect this is all rather aspirational anyway. I think they have the stock, as they can run a high frequency service during the peaks (remember, the high frequency part will be Moorgate to AP, as beyond that they split on each branch - and that would mean more paths and stock, which isn't necessarily possible anytime soon). At weekends, 313s go into Kings Cross. So, if Moorgate was to continue in operation, there would be the issue of how frequent a service could be provided from KGX (on a Sunday, it would pretty much be an hourly service for me). Who said timetabling was easy?! I don't think providing a frequent service to Kings Cross is particularly important. After all there are two tube lines with 40tph+ duplicating the GN route from Finsbury Park. With the cross-platform interchange at Highbury, the Moorgate branch offers just as good a range of connections as Kings Cross anyway. Peter Smyth |
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