wrote in message
oups.com...
Isn't there talk of a localised dispute on the Northern Line involving
a driver dismissed after a SPAD incident? Someone has explained it to
me and it involves some quirk in the 1995TS tripcock but I can't recall
the excact details.


This driver who has been reinstated perhaps?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6247599.stm

Paul

The sticking point is that the company want to implement the later
friday and sat night running in with this pay offer, but won't
compromise, and actually offer staff something worth having to
compensate for increased assaults getting home at god knows what time in
the morning etc.

It sounds to me as if the pay offer was conditional on some other
changes which the unions haven't yet agreed, which is why the offer (not
"deal" if it's not yet agreed) hasn't been implemented. Is that right?

www.waspies.net wrote:

The sticking point is that the company want to implement the later
friday and sat night running in with this pay offer, but won't
compromise, and actually offer staff something worth having to
compensate for increased assaults getting home at god knows what time in
the morning etc.

But very little is actually changing. Staff have the same problem
getting home at whatever time they finish and I wasn't aware that an
employer had a duty to compensate for the risk of assault, not that it
would differ much from the existing circumstances.
I would have thought that they would be in a private car anyway.

Kevin

wrote:

Sad Old Git wrote:
Overheard some drivers talking while waiting for a train @ Golders Grn, It
appears that there will be a strike looming as the underground have refused
to give the staff their payrise. Is this correct?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6247599.stm

Wed 10 Jan 10:32 GMT

Sacked Tube driver is reinstated

The threat of a strike on the Tube has been averted after a driver who
was sacked for passing through a red signal was reinstated.

The Northern Line driver, who said he had followed correct procedure,
was given a 12-month "suspended sentence" by London Underground (LU) on
appeal.

LU said he would return to work under close supervision.

Drivers' union Aslef welcomed the outcome but said the driver should
never have been sacked.

An LU spokesman said: "A decision was made on appeal that, while the
driver was guilty of a misdemeanour, the original dismissal was too
severe.

"As a result it has been reduced to a suspended sentence of 12 months."

The result of a ballot over industrial action had been due to be
announced on Thursday.

Lets hope that he doesn't run anymore red lights then or there will be
another strike or worse a crash and dead passengers and a dead driver
but who cares about the driver.

Kevin

Kev wrote:
www.waspies.net wrote:

The sticking point is that the company want to implement the later
friday and sat night running in with this pay offer, but won't
compromise, and actually offer staff something worth having to
compensate for increased assaults getting home at god knows what time in
the morning etc.
But very little is actually changing. Staff have the same problem
getting home at whatever time they finish and I wasn't aware that an
employer had a duty to compensate for the risk of assault, not that it
would differ much from the existing circumstances.
I would have thought that they would be in a private car anyway.

Kevin

So due to the later running I now cannot get my last train home so have
to use my own car and receive no compensation for Kens ill thought out
plan to run the tube later for drunks and fare evaders on friday and
saturday nights.

On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:05:32 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote:

Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , d
writes

We are awaiting our pay rise from April 2006, there have been no
strike ballots yet so nothing is imminent, the sticking points
are the extra 30 mins friday and saturday night.

Pay rise? Safety I can understand, but pay rise? How much pay
and time do you think it's going to cost the general public? Was
that factored in to the strike discussion?

Maybe you should direct those comments at the Management who are
dealing with this too?

Staff have patiently waited for 9 months now for their 2006 pay deal
with no mention of a strike. How long do you consider they should
continue to wait?

Hang on, I think there's some spin here. On the one hand, there's talk
of staff patiently awaiting their pay rise from April 2006, as though
this was something that was agreed but the management haven't yet chosen
to pay it. On the other hand, there's talk of "sticking points"
concerning hours worked.

It sounds to me as if the pay offer was conditional on some other
changes which the unions haven't yet agreed, which is why the offer (not
"deal" if it's not yet agreed) hasn't been implemented. Is that right?

You would be entirely correct. LU have improved the offer three times
and now the final offer is on the table. Two of the smaller unions -
TSSA and BTOG - have accepted. RMT have not and ASLEF have (just)
changed their stance in respect of one key issue. The proposal is for a
3 year deal and the RMT are now demanding a one year deal with the
negotiation for a longer deal being restarted for the 2007 pay round. [I
suspect this is so they can formulate a different approach to LU's
requests that have come forward in the 2006 round and also so they have
more flexibility to use the threat of strike action.]

The later running at weekends is a key issue that remains outstanding.
[Obviously there is some merit for the TUs in delaying a settlement in
the hope that political pressure from the Mayor would force LU's hand as
the later running is an election pledge with a defined implementation
date.]

The above is from an internal (LU) comms notice. The TUs will obviously
have a different view of the negotiations and their status. My own views
are in the [] brackets.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

www.waspies.net wrote:

So due to the later running I now cannot get my last train home so
have to use my own car and receive no compensation for Kens ill
thought out plan to run the tube later for drunks and fare evaders on
friday and saturday nights.

I'm amused by the idea that railway staff have the right to finish in time
for the last train home.

Kev wrote:

Lets hope that he doesn't run anymore red lights then or there will be
another strike or worse a crash and dead passengers and a dead driver
but who cares about the driver.

You are an ignorant tosser. I've checked out some of your other posts
which confirm this. One for the Google Groups Killfile For FireFox.

wrote:

Kev wrote:

Lets hope that he doesn't run anymore red lights then or there will be
another strike or worse a crash and dead passengers and a dead driver
but who cares about the driver.

You are an ignorant tosser. I've checked out some of your other posts
which confirm this. One for the Google Groups Killfile For FireFox.

Then I suggest that the you and the driver are an ignorant tosser. He
was reprieved a sacking and got a suspended sentence. The choice is
his. If he doesn't run a red light he will be ok. If he does run a red
light we can keep our fingers crossed that he doesn't cause a crash and
kill passengers. Why does whether the driver does or doesn't do his job
correctly make me ignorant.
I would suggest that the driver has more to lose in a crash since he
would be at the front. Given that the drivers that strike don't give a
toss about the passengers why should the passengers give a toss about
the drivers.

Kevin

John Rowland wrote:

www.waspies.net wrote:

So due to the later running I now cannot get my last train home so
have to use my own car and receive no compensation for Kens ill
thought out plan to run the tube later for drunks and fare evaders on
friday and saturday nights.

I'm amused by the idea that railway staff have the right to finish in time
for the last train home.
The driver who drives the last train home can't catch another tarin
home what ever time the trains finish and I'm called ignorant.
Perhaps they could get a passenger to drive the last train of the day
so all the staff could get home.
Kevin