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So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?

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So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?


They both do already, though in the future the DLR will go to Stratford
twice.

Confused?
See http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/45
and http://developments.dlr.co.uk/extensions/stratford/index.shtml
for all the info.

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So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to
Stratford?

They already do. The DLR will get a second route to Stratford.

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Mizter T wrote:

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So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?

They both do already, though in the future the DLR will go to Stratford
twice.

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town, and can trains from the west head south at
Poplar?

tom

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,

No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction - trains
south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards KGV and
eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the existing line
east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having major improvements
to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase capacity.

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?

No, they have already headed south at Westferry...

Paul S

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Mizter T wrote:

wrote:

"John Rowland" wrote in message
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http://www.nceplus.co.uk/news/news_a...il_engineering

So does that mean that the Jubilee and the DLR will both got to Stratford?

They both do already, though in the future the DLR will go to Stratford
twice.

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,

AIUI no - not without reversing at least. This will still require a
complicated junction south of Canning Town, replete with a flyover for
grade seperated movements.

This PDF illustrates the planned service pattern:
http://developments.dlr.co.uk/pdf/extensions/SIE%20Proposed%20frequency%20Changes.pdf

and can trains from the west head south at
Poplar?

No without reversing again. But trains from the west - from Bank/Tower
Gateway already head south directly from Westferry to West India Quay
and to anary Wharf and points south. See the DLR map (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/dlr/pdf/network/zones.pdf

DLR plans to remodel the North Quay Junction - that at the nexus of
Westferry, West India Quay and Poplar - adding a fly-under for services
travelling southeast-bound from Westferry to Canary Wharf, which would
miss West India Quay because of practical reasons. This would mean
there were less conflicting movements at North Quay Junction. Read more
at Dave's site:
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/30

This fly-under wouldn't change the fact that trains from the west
couldn't head south at Poplar - if you look on a map or visit on the
ground you'll see that Poplar station is too far to the east for this
to be possible.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,

No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction

Surely all that'd be necessary would be to demolish the A13?

- trains south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards
KGV and eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the
existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having
major improvements to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase
capacity.

It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?

No, they have already headed south at Westferry...

Doh! I meant from the east. Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of the
HSBC building makes it hard to say, but it looks like it would be
possible.

I was, as i think you guessed, wondering if the new route could replace
the old one, but it seems not. It would be a bit longer anyway, and would
mean the line up to Bow Church would look slightly silly.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li...

While we're on the subject, can trains from Stratford on the new route
head west at Canning Town,

No - the local topography prevents a connection in this direction

Surely all that'd be necessary would be to demolish the A13?

After TfL has spent so much money on it!


- trains south from Stratford will either go towards Beckton, or towards
KGV and eventually Woolwich (under construction now. Remember that the
existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and Lewisham is also having
major improvements to its platforms at Stratford, which will increase
capacity.

It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?


I think it does. However this branch will have *two* platforms at
Stratford once the redevelopment is finished, which will enhance
capacity.

and can trains from the west head south at Poplar?

No, they have already headed south at Westferry...

Doh! I meant from the east. Looking on the goggly maps, the shadow of the
HSBC building makes it hard to say, but it looks like it would be
possible.

Trains arriving from at Poplar from either the northern or eastern
branches - i.e. from either All Saints or Blackwall can run either
west towards Westferry and the City or south down to West India Quay
and Canary Wharf.


I was, as i think you guessed, wondering if the new route could replace
the old one, but it seems not. It would be a bit longer anyway, and would
mean the line up to Bow Church would look slightly silly.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Mizter T wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Paul Scott wrote:

Remember that the existing line east from Stratford to Poplar and
Lewisham is also having major improvements to its platforms at
Stratford, which will increase capacity.

It still has a single-track section around Pudding Mill Lane, though,
doesn't it?

I think it does. However this branch will have *two* platforms at
Stratford once the redevelopment is finished, which will enhance
capacity.

One cannot deal with a bottleneck by increasing capacity elsewhere!

But i suppose this means that the single-track section is not currently
the bottleneck - it's presumably short enough, and the DLR's computers
smart enough, not to be.

tom

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