http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/...t-onthemap.pdf

looking good? criticism welcome

This is a relatively old map, and it's also quite a strange map since
it's somewhere between the "London Connections" and the "Tube map",
showing the Croydon tramlink, Thameslink and Crossrail but not other
railways.
There's a few things that are definitely not going to happen.
Shoreditch is closed and will stay closed, the West London tram is very
unlikely, and the East London Line will be named Overground.
The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then, the Bakerloo
extended back to Watford Junction and the old Watford station would be
closed. Those are all much more likely projects than some of the ones
on this map.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, sweek wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

the Bakerloo extended back to Watford Junction

Yes, i'm really surprised that isn't shown.

and the old Watford station would be closed.

AIUI, the latest thinking is that it will stay open, although it'll
probably get Mill Hill Easted.

This map (the copy i have, anyway) is missing the new stops at Park Royal
on the Central and Wood Lane on the H&C, too, which is rather surprising
given that they're due very soon.

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, sweek wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

It's mentioned in Transport 2025, see page 88 among others.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/pdf/T2025-new.pdf
In the timeline on page 119 it says that the Northern Line upgrade
should happen before 2012. It requires a redesign of Camden Town
station, but that will definitely have to happen anyway.

I can't find it on Alwaystouchout.com (yet)?

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:32:14 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

the Bakerloo extended back to Watford Junction

Yes, i'm really surprised that isn't shown.

The map is a few years old - from long before Bakerloo to WJ was
confirmed.

This map (the copy i have, anyway) is missing the new stops at Park Royal
on the Central and Wood Lane on the H&C, too, which is rather surprising
given that they're due very soon.

Park Royal (Central) is due very soon? I haven't heard anything on
this project for years, and would have assumed it's been postponed
indefinitely if not quietly dropped altogether.

sweek wrote:
the East London Line will be named Overground.

Is it going to stay on the Tube map?

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sweek wrote:
the East London Line will be named Overground.

Is it going to stay on the Tube map?


Why shouldn't it? Its a map of TfL services - it includes DLR and Tramlink,
and the existing North London Line even though its under NR control (with
some TfL assistance) - what would they possibly gain by removing the ELL?

What will cause confusion is the use of 'Overground' for 'London Rail' -
given that the term is already in use for certain parts of the South London
NR network. I can see that having to change again, but its really only a few
fancy signs on the platforms...

Paul

Paul Scott wrote:
"Larry Lard" wrote in message
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sweek wrote:
the East London Line will be named Overground.
Is it going to stay on the Tube map?


Why shouldn't it? Its a map of TfL services - it includes DLR and Tramlink,
and the existing North London Line even though its under NR control (with
some TfL assistance) - what would they possibly gain by removing the ELL?

Well, they removed the central Thameslink connection, which was at one
time on there - and yes I know this isn't TfL operated, but it was hard
to see what they gained by its removal...

And the Tube map doesn't have Tramlink, at present - maybe they will add
it when ELLX opens and the Tube map then has to go south as far as West
Croydon?


What will cause confusion is the use of 'Overground' for 'London Rail' -
given that the term is already in use for certain parts of the South London
NR network. I can see that having to change again, but its really only a few
fancy signs on the platforms...

I remember when they introduced that 'Overground Network' branding to
minimal acclaim. Won't be sorry to see it go - never meant anything!


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sweek wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, sweek wrote:

The Northern Line will hopefully be split by then,

Is that actually on the cards? I thought this was no more than a idea
floated by the pundits.

It's mentioned in Transport 2025, see page 88 among others.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/pdf/T2025-new.pdf
In the timeline on page 119 it says that the Northern Line upgrade
should happen before 2012. It requires a redesign of Camden Town
station, but that will definitely have to happen anyway.

I can't find it on Alwaystouchout.com (yet)?

The Northern line will be getting new signalling and a new control
centre, which is the upgrade mentioned, but looking at the Transport
2025 document it appears that the splitting of the line is a
longer-term proposal more in the planning stage at present.

You guys are confusing the Tube map (LU + DLR + North London Line)
with the Connections map, showing all passenger raill ines in London.
TfL has also released a 2010 Tube Map earlier this year, clearly
showing that the whole Overground would appear on the map in orange.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/pdf/tube_map2010.pdf
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground