Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1]. Do LUL ever bother checking tickets randomly on the
network or do they let the ticket gates do the job?

[1] I did get my Oyster card swiped by someone on board a DLR train to
Custom House last Fri. If I hadn't touched in my annual Oystercard,
would I have been liable for a penalty fare? The reason I ask, is
that the station tannoy always reminds PAYG customers to always touch
in and touch out, but it doesn't mention annual Oysters.

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

In ups.com,
Andrea typed:

Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1]. Do LUL ever bother checking tickets randomly on the
network or do they let the ticket gates do the job?

[1] I did get my Oyster card swiped by someone on board a DLR train to
Custom House last Fri. If I hadn't touched in my annual Oystercard,
would I have been liable for a penalty fare? The reason I ask, is
that the station tannoy always reminds PAYG customers to always touch
in and touch out, but it doesn't mention annual Oysters.


There are occasional on-board checks. If you've not had one in the
several years that you have been using the tube, you will probably get
two next week.

Annual Oystercard holders do not need to Touch-In on the DLR.






--
Bob

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, "Andrea" wrote:
Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1]. Do LUL ever bother checking tickets randomly on the
network or do they let the ticket gates do the job?

[1] I did get my Oyster card swiped by someone on board a DLR train to
Custom House last Fri. If I hadn't touched in my annual Oystercard,
would I have been liable for a penalty fare? The reason I ask, is
that the station tannoy always reminds PAYG customers to always touch
in and touch out, but it doesn't mention annual Oysters.

I've not seen an on-tube check in 3 years of mainly central line,
however collegues have.

Have seen them at interchanges though, Notting Hill Gate is a popular
one, and I've seen them at Bank (presumably because of people changing
from the DLR?) Wasn't checked in either case as I just continued
walking at a high speed and they decided it wasn't worth it.

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

In message . com,
Andrea writes
Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1]. Do LUL ever bother checking tickets randomly on the
network or do they let the ticket gates do the job?

I can confirm that Revenue do indeed prowl the network. I've had them
on my train (I drive 'em so I don't technically need a ticket;))
checking my train along the Rayners Lane branch from Ealing Common to
South Harrow and also doing the full length of the train between
Finsbury Park and Holborn. I frequently see them doing spot checks of
people leaving eastbound trains at Caledonian Road (first Z2 station).

I'm sure we're not the only ones graced with their presence.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

On Mar 6, 1:37 pm, "Bob Wood" wrote:
[1] I did get my Oyster card swiped by someone on board a DLR train to
Custom House last Fri. If I hadn't touched in my annual Oystercard,
would I have been liable for a penalty fare? The reason I ask, is
that the station tannoy always reminds PAYG customers to always touch
in and touch out, but it doesn't mention annual Oysters.

Annual Oystercard holders do not need to Touch-In on the DLR.


....or on the Tube, or on bendy buses, or on trams, or on National
Rail. The only occasions where you need to touch in with a period
Oyster card are when you physically need to open barriers, and when
boarding a non-bendy bus.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

On 6 Mar, 16:00, "John B" wrote:
On Mar 6, 1:37 pm, "Bob Wood" wrote:

[1] I did get my Oyster card swiped by someone on board a DLR train to
Custom House last Fri. If I hadn't touched in my annual Oystercard,
would I have been liable for a penalty fare? The reason I ask, is
that the station tannoy always reminds PAYG customers to always touch
in and touch out, but it doesn't mention annual Oysters.

Annual Oystercard holders do not need to Touch-In on the DLR.

...or on the Tube, or on bendy buses, or on trams, or on National
Rail. The only occasions where you need to touch in with a period
Oyster card are when you physically need to open barriers, and when
boarding a non-bendy bus.



OR when you're travelling outside the zonal validity of your
Travelcard, and thus are using Pay-As-You-Go (PAYG) to cover the
ticket extension (i.e. excess fare) from where your Travelcard
validity finishes.

This is obviously only available when travelling on routes where
Oyster PAYG is accepted for the whole journey - i.e. on the
Underground, the DLR and the very limited number of National Rail
routes that accept PAYG.

On other National Rail journeys when you are travelling outside the
zonal validity of your Travelcard then you'll need to buy a ticket
extension before you travel from the ticket office.

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

On 6 Mar 2007 05:09:32 -0800, "Andrea" wrote:

Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1].

I have seen maybe half a dozen in nearly ten years of daily commuting.
Three of them were in a two week span on the District line.

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

On 6 Mar 2007 05:09:32 -0800, "Andrea" wrote:

Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1]. Do LUL ever bother checking tickets randomly on the
network or do they let the ticket gates do the job?

Ticket inspections take place at station entrances, exits, on train and
on interchange routes. Obviously having ticket gates helps but they do
not cover every route into and out of the system nor are they a 100%
solution to ticket fraud as I have said many times.

[1] I did get my Oyster card swiped by someone on board a DLR train to
Custom House last Fri. If I hadn't touched in my annual Oystercard,
would I have been liable for a penalty fare? The reason I ask, is
that the station tannoy always reminds PAYG customers to always touch
in and touch out, but it doesn't mention annual Oysters.

No you would not have been liable as your Travelcard ticket was valid at
that location and on that date. As I have replied in another post it is
important to touch in and out if using PAYG for *part* or *all* of a
journey. Without knowing where you start and finish the system cannot
know what to charge someone for their extension or their full ride.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

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On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:11:05 +0000, James Farrar
wrote:

On 6 Mar 2007 05:09:32 -0800, "Andrea" wrote:

Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1].

I have seen maybe half a dozen in nearly ten years of daily commuting.
Three of them were in a two week span on the District line.

Oh, that refers to on-train checks. In-station checks are far more
common IME.

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On Mar 6, 4:59 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:
Annual Oystercard holders do not need to Touch-In on the DLR.

...or on the Tube, or on bendy buses, or on trams, or on National
Rail. The only occasions where you need to touch in with a period
Oyster card are when you physically need to open barriers, and when
boarding a non-bendy bus.

OR when you're travelling outside the zonal validity of your
Travelcard, and thus are using Pay-As-You-Go (PAYG) to cover the
ticket extension (i.e. excess fare) from where your Travelcard
validity finishes.

Hmm. I'd count that as "not having a period Oyster card", assuming
that "which is valid for the journey you're planning to make" is
implicit after "Oyster card" (in the same sense as "you should only
board a train at a manned station if you have a ticket"). But I
suppose you're technically right...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

On 6 Mar 2007 05:09:32 -0800, "Andrea" wrote:

Having used the tube for several years, I've never yet encountered a
revenue ticket inspection on board a tube train or within station
passages [1]. Do LUL ever bother checking tickets randomly on the
network or do they let the ticket gates do the job?

I have about twice in goodness knows how many years. The barriers
probably catch enough people, given that you generally have to think
quite carefully if you wanted to find a non-barriered way out of the
network - there aren't many left!

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Ticket inspections on the tube network
 

On 6 Mar, 18:46, "John B" wrote:
On Mar 6, 4:59 pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

Annual Oystercard holders do not need to Touch-In on the DLR.

...or on the Tube, or on bendy buses, or on trams, or on National
Rail. The only occasions where you need to touch in with a period
Oyster card are when you physically need to open barriers, and when
boarding a non-bendy bus.

OR when you're travelling outside the zonal validity of your
Travelcard, and thus are using Pay-As-You-Go (PAYG) to cover the
ticket extension (i.e. excess fare) from where your Travelcard
validity finishes.

Hmm. I'd count that as "not having a period Oyster card", assuming
that "which is valid for the journey you're planning to make" is
implicit after "Oyster card" (in the same sense as "you should only
board a train at a manned station if you have a ticket"). But I
suppose you're technically right...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot orgwww.johnband.org


Yes, I quite understand your logic.

Whenever we're discussing Oyster cards I almost feel the need to spell
everything out step by step, given the popular confusion there is
about the whole Oyster system (hence my reply to your post). The
problem of course is that unpacking it to such an extent each time we
discuss Oyster is somewhat laborious.

In the back of my head there's an embryonic Oyster FAQ writing itself
each time an Oyster thread comes round on utl, indeed each time I
explain it to a friend or colleague so the FAQ in the form of a
website for the benefit of non-usenetters (i.e. nearly everyone!)
would be even better. However to explain the whole system in clear yet
precise layman's terms is probably a harder task than it first
appears, for that and other reasons it ain't on the top of my list at
the moment.

Meanwhile perhaps more mention should be made of the official 'Oyster
help' Q&A website - whch does answer most questions - it's at this
URL:
http://transportforlondon.custhelp.com