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The current long route from the underground to platform level at St
Pancras station is a joke! Are there no plans to have a direct underground passage to the station, that avoids an outside walk braving the elements? There also seems to be an exit from the station onto Midland Road, but this is closed - are there no plans to open it? |
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In oups.com,
Andrea typed: The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! Are there no plans to have a direct underground passage to the station, that avoids an outside walk braving the elements? There also seems to be an exit from the station onto Midland Road, but this is closed - are there no plans to open it? Both will be opening later this year. -- Bob |
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On Mar 6, 1:46 pm, "Bob Wood" wrote:
The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! Are there no plans to have a direct underground passage to the station, that avoids an outside walk braving the elements? There also seems to be an exit from the station onto Midland Road, but this is closed - are there no plans to open it? Both will be opening later this year. Indeed - and another side entrance to the new Underground ticket hall between St P and KX will open in c2009. I wonder if the OP has noticed that St Pancras and Midland Road both have something of an unfinished/building site ambience at present...? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, John B wrote:
On Mar 6, 1:46 pm, "Bob Wood" wrote: The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! I wonder if the OP has noticed that St Pancras and Midland Road both have something of an unfinished/building site ambience at present...? Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ tom -- ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, John B wrote: On Mar 6, 1:46 pm, "Bob Wood" wrote: The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! I wonder if the OP has noticed that St Pancras and Midland Road both have something of an unfinished/building site ambience at present...? Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ tom -- ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,,,,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Is that the on the walk way to St Pancras station? I remember when it used to be all underground the walk and you used to come out by a pub. I forget what the pub was called. |
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On 6 Mar 2007 05:21:12 -0800, "Andrea" wrote:
The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! Are there no plans to have a direct underground passage to the station, that avoids an outside walk braving the elements? There also seems to be an exit from the station onto Midland Road, but this is closed - are there no plans to open it? You have undoubtedly noticed that St Pancras has been totally reconstructed to accommodate Eurostar, provide a new Midland Mainline station and also a new Thameslink station. The tube station is in the process of being rebuilt and a new Northern Ticket Hall is being built between St Pancras and Kings Cross. This is a massive project and there is obviously some inconvenience while something on this scale is undertaken. I agree the walk to St Pancras is not perfect at present but the end result will be worth it. You will see more of the new links later this year when Eurostar opens for business but there is about another 3 years work to construct the new Northern ticket hall for LU and Thameslink access and a new surface building to link together KX and St Pancras. http://www.lcrhq.co.uk/ http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/company/p...ewsletters.asp has lots of info about work done and the next steps. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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() wrote: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, John B wrote: On Mar 6, 1:46 pm, "Bob Wood" wrote: The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! I wonder if the OP has noticed that St Pancras and Midland Road both have something of an unfinished/building site ambience at present...? Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ Is that the on the walk way to St Pancras station? I remember when it used to be all underground the walk and you used to come out by a pub. I forget what the pub was called. It's in St Pancras Road. I cycle along it past the sign after arriving at King's Cross platforms 9-11. I'd like to know what it means too. I seem to remember it's the wrong side of the Great Northern Hotel for the Northern Ticket Hall works. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ Is that the on the walk way to St Pancras station? I remember when it used to be all underground the walk and you used to come out by a pub. I forget what the pub was called. It's in St Pancras Road. I cycle along it past the sign after arriving at King's Cross platforms 9-11. I'd like to know what it means too. I seem to remember it's the wrong side of the Great Northern Hotel for the Northern Ticket Hall works. Are you referring to 'Blue Egg'? - I thinks its the nickname for the Underground ventilation and access shaft, the stainless steel clad 'building' in the shot, which is illuminated blue at night, and is egg shaped in plan. Paul |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ Is that the on the walk way to St Pancras station? I remember when it used to be all underground the walk and you used to come out by a pub. I forget what the pub was called. It's in St Pancras Road. I cycle along it past the sign after arriving at King's Cross platforms 9-11. I'd like to know what it means too. I seem to remember it's the wrong side of the Great Northern Hotel for the Northern Ticket Hall works. Are you referring to 'Blue Egg'? - I thinks its the nickname for the Underground ventilation and access shaft, the stainless steel clad 'building' in the shot, which is illuminated blue at night, and is egg shaped in plan. Paul PS if anyone is registered with Flickr, perhaps they could let the Photographer know... Paul |
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On 6 Mar 2007 07:56:04 -0800, "John B" wrote:
On Mar 6, 1:46 pm, "Bob Wood" wrote: The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! Are there no plans to have a direct underground passage to the station, that avoids an outside walk braving the elements? There also seems to be an exit from the station onto Midland Road, but this is closed - are there no plans to open it? Both will be opening later this year. Indeed - and another side entrance to the new Underground ticket hall between St P and KX will open in c2009. I wonder if the OP has noticed that St Pancras and Midland Road both have something of an unfinished/building site ambience at present...? What nobody is admitting is that work on the new (Northern) Undrground ticket hall was suspended for two years, thus messing up the timescale and leaving MML (and FCC/Thameslink) passengers with the present trek to the tube for two more years after St P is supposedly completed. The hall will of course be opened in time for the domestic CTRL services. -- Peter Lawrence |
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"Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... And then there is the reworking of King's Cross mainline to come, especially sweeping away the "temporary" concourse. Are they going to achieve the miracle of Liverpool Street of converting a station with all-over step free access to one full of stairs and escalators too? Anyone seen any consultations on plans? From what I've gleaned elsewhere, acess from the new northern ticket hall will be via a footbridge across the middle of the platforms, but the south end access will also be retained. There's a summary sheet here Colin: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...ossLeaflet.pdf Paul |
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In article ,
Paul Scott wrote: Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ Are you referring to 'Blue Egg'? - I thinks its the nickname for the Underground ventilation and access shaft, the stainless steel clad 'building' in the shot, which is illuminated blue at night, and is egg shaped in plan. PS if anyone is registered with Flickr, perhaps they could let the Photographer know... I think Tom (uncredited in the quoting but poster of the URL) is also the photographer. Nick -- http://www.leverton.org/ ... So express yourself |
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"Nick Leverton" wrote in message ... In article , Paul Scott wrote: Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ Are you referring to 'Blue Egg'? - I thinks its the nickname for the Underground ventilation and access shaft, the stainless steel clad 'building' in the shot, which is illuminated blue at night, and is egg shaped in plan. PS if anyone is registered with Flickr, perhaps they could let the Photographer know... I think Tom (uncredited in the quoting but poster of the URL) is also the photographer. Ah - my mistake, didn't connect everything fully there... Paul |
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Paul Scott wrote: "Nick Leverton" wrote in message ... PS if anyone is registered with Flickr, perhaps they could let the Photographer know... I think Tom (uncredited in the quoting but poster of the URL) is also the photographer. Ah - my mistake, didn't connect everything fully there... Not to worry, I nearly added it myself but at first decided to leave it for you ! Nick -- http://www.leverton.org/ ... So express yourself |
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(Paul Scott) wrote: "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... And then there is the reworking of King's Cross mainline to come, especially sweeping away the "temporary" concourse. Are they going to achieve the miracle of Liverpool Street of converting a station with all-over step free access to one full of stairs and escalators too? Anyone seen any consultations on plans? From what I've gleaned elsewhere, acess from the new northern ticket hall will be via a footbridge across the middle of the platforms, but the south end access will also be retained. There's a summary sheet here Colin: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...ossLeaflet.pdf No mention of cycles. I've sent them feedback via their web form (no address on the leaflet). Searching the web site doesn't even find that leaflet! -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ Is that the on the walk way to St Pancras station? I remember when it used to be all underground the walk and you used to come out by a pub. I forget what the pub was called. It's in St Pancras Road. I cycle along it past the sign after arriving at King's Cross platforms 9-11. I'd like to know what it means too. I seem to remember it's the wrong side of the Great Northern Hotel for the Northern Ticket Hall works. Are you referring to 'Blue Egg'? - I thinks its the nickname for the Underground ventilation and access shaft, the stainless steel clad 'building' in the shot, which is illuminated blue at night, and is egg shaped in plan. Aha! You're talking sense. PS if anyone is registered with Flickr, perhaps they could let the Photographer know... Will do :). tom -- All roads lead unto death row; who knows what's after? |
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Paul Corfield wrote:
On 6 Mar 2007 05:21:12 -0800, "Andrea" wrote: The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! You have undoubtedly noticed that St Pancras has been totally reconstructed to accommodate Eurostar, provide a new Midland Mainline station and also a new Thameslink station. Ahem. A *box* for a new Thameslink station. tom -- All roads lead unto death row; who knows what's after? |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
Speaking of which, answers on a postcard: http://flickr.com/photos/twic/411990029/ "The blue egg? Beats me". So it's an egg beater? |
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J. Chisholm wrote:
You can find LOTs of useful information on the Camden Council website at: http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/environment/ planning-and-built-environment/major-developments/king-s-cross/ Jim Chisholm Just noticed that closure date for 'comments' was 7 Feb, so perhaps we'll see a 'result' shortly? Jim |
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Andrea wrote:
The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! Are there no plans to have a direct underground passage to the station, that avoids an outside walk braving the elements? There also seems to be an exit from the station onto Midland Road, but this is closed - are there no plans to open it? The current situation at St Pancras/ Kings in regards to the six stations are as follows. MMl is now in its final location on the west side outside the Barlow Shed. CTRL (HS1) is in process of final tracking gauging and electrification check, and signal testing. Kent services as CTRL. Kings Cross GNER/FCC plans submitted to Camden for approval of redesign of station front and west side, with removal of unauthorised front structure departure area, proposed completion 2015. Thameslink 2000, fitting out of new station on westside of St Pancras underground. Concurrent completion of Northern ticket Hall by September 2007 but like early 2008. LUL, phase one and two completed, the new south ticketing area step free access to Metropolitan, Circle and H&C lines completed. In progress tunnelling and fitting new pedestrian subways to enable two independent routes of access to all areas - this I am informed will need to be completed before there is licence to operate CTRL and Thameslink new station. All platforms with the complex to be step free access. I think there are six new lift installations to be installed for this purpose. The Pentonville access route will be lost and closed for access when the other work is completed, but an emergency de training facility will be maintained for both LUL and Thameslink into Pentonville Road direct. Hope this update helps |
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"Andrea" wrote in message
oups.com... The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! Are there no plans to have a direct underground passage to the station, that avoids an outside walk braving the elements? There also seems to be an exit from the station onto Midland Road, but this is closed - are there no plans to open it? Yeah! How dare they open the station early to make your life easier, then not open it all up ahead of schedule so you don't get confused as to what's open now and what will be open later! Fascists!!! |
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On Mar 7, 12:42 pm, chr1s wrote:
The Pentonville access route will be lost and closed for access when the other work is completed, but an emergency de training facility will be maintained for both LUL and Thameslink into Pentonville Road direct. That's a pity. Presumably there'll at least be safeguards to ensure the Pentonville Road emergency exit from the deep lines isn't locked OOU in event of an emergency (as in 1987)...? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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Chisholm) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... And then there is the reworking of King's Cross mainline to come, especially sweeping away the "temporary" concourse. Are they going to achieve the miracle of Liverpool Street of converting a station with all-over step free access to one full of stairs and escalators too? Anyone seen any consultations on plans? From what I've gleaned elsewhere, acess from the new northern ticket hall will be via a footbridge across the middle of the platforms, but the south end access will also be retained. There's a summary sheet here Colin: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...ossLeaflet.pdf No mention of cycles. I've sent them feedback via their web form (no address on the leaflet). Searching the web site doesn't even find that leaflet! You can find LOTs of useful information on the Camden Council website at: http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/environment/ planning-and-built-environment/major-developments/king-s-cross/ Some Councils seem to get lots of useful info on their websites, unlike some I could name. Perhaps their Councillors spend too much time away from their elected domain (;-) Ho. ho. My constituents take bikes on trains to London too! How the hell is one supposed to find the impact on cycle access to and from the station from this mass of documents? It hardly helps for starters that the drawing PDFs won't open on this PC. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On Mar 7, 3:16 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
All platforms with the complex to be step free access. I think there are six new lift installations to be installed for this purpose. This is one meaning of "step free". Accessible by bicycle it isn't. Not an LUL issue I accept, but relevant to the Thameslink Midland Road box. I'm confused: since when have bikes been banned from lifts on NR? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article . com, (John B) wrote: On Mar 7, 3:16 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: All platforms with the complex to be step free access. I think there are six new lift installations to be installed for this purpose. This is one meaning of "step free". Accessible by bicycle it isn't. Not an LUL issue I accept, but relevant to the Thameslink Midland Road box. I'm confused: since when have bikes been banned from lifts on NR? Do they even fit in the lifts provided? Liverpool Street had ramped access. It was all removed and replaced not just by steps down but also added steps up from the street before you can step down to the platform level. The question is, how will a cyclist arriving from or departing to Cambridge at King's Cross Midland Road be able to get safely to and from the road network? It varies from indifferent to positively dangerous at present. You'll have retired long before that becomes a problem from Cambridge.... Jim Chisholm |
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"J. Chisholm" wrote in message ... J. Chisholm wrote: You can find LOTs of useful information on the Camden Council website at: http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/environment/ planning-and-built-environment/major-developments/king-s-cross/ Jim Chisholm Just noticed that closure date for 'comments' was 7 Feb, so perhaps we'll see a 'result' shortly? I think that is for the entire 'KX railway lands' development - presumably as the LU Northern Ticket hall provides the foundations for the mainline station Western redevelopment, the likelihood is there will be little change to what has been published in the leaflets... Paul |
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"chr1s" wrote in message ... .. The Pentonville access route will be lost and closed for access when the other work is completed, but an emergency de training facility will be maintained for both LUL and Thameslink into Pentonville Road direct. When you say LUL here, do you mean detraining (as now?) from just the disused Kings Cross District/Circle platforms adjacent to the current Thameslink station, or will the passageway from the Victoria line platforms remain for emergency use as well ? Paul |
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Chisholm) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article . com, (John B) wrote: On Mar 7, 3:16 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: All platforms with the complex to be step free access. I think there are six new lift installations to be installed for this purpose. This is one meaning of "step free". Accessible by bicycle it isn't. Not an LUL issue I accept, but relevant to the Thameslink Midland Road box. I'm confused: since when have bikes been banned from lifts on NR? Do they even fit in the lifts provided? Liverpool Street had ramped access. It was all removed and replaced not just by steps down but also added steps up from the street before you can step down to the platform level. The question is, how will a cyclist arriving from or departing to Cambridge at King's Cross Midland Road be able to get safely to and from the road network? It varies from indifferent to positively dangerous at present. You'll have retired long before that becomes a problem from Cambridge.... Not on current plans. When is the GN connection to Thameslink now planned to be made? 2010? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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J. Chisholm wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article . com, (John B) wrote: On Mar 7, 3:16 pm, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: All platforms with the complex to be step free access. I think there are six new lift installations to be installed for this purpose. This is one meaning of "step free". Accessible by bicycle it isn't. Not an LUL issue I accept, but relevant to the Thameslink Midland Road box. I'm confused: since when have bikes been banned from lifts on NR? Do they even fit in the lifts provided? Liverpool Street had ramped access. It was all removed and replaced not just by steps down but also added steps up from the street before you can step down to the platform level. The question is, how will a cyclist arriving from or departing to Cambridge at King's Cross Midland Road be able to get safely to and from the road network? It varies from indifferent to positively dangerous at present. You'll have retired long before that becomes a problem from Cambridge.... If that is true, it's nice to see an elected official doing some forward thinking for once. -- Michael Hoffman |
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Paul Scott wrote:
"chr1s" wrote in message ... .. The Pentonville access route will be lost and closed for access when the other work is completed, but an emergency de training facility will be maintained for both LUL and Thameslink into Pentonville Road direct. When you say LUL here, do you mean detraining (as now?) from just the disused Kings Cross District/Circle platforms adjacent to the current Thameslink station, or will the passageway from the Victoria line platforms remain for emergency use as well ? Paul The arrangement for Thameslink and LUL at the Pentonville site will be the same, certainly one exit isolated from the main complex direct to Pentonville Road, with maybe an alternate to St Mungos passage area onto greys Inn Road. Another question about this is that it is isolated from the main complex. and to comply with the KX enquiry recommendations about the relief passage from the main complex in use now being blocked and locked, I was given to understand that it is isolated and will be locked from the main complex when all is completed, and that from any spot in the main complex there will be at least two independent routes out of the station to the streets, Euston Road, St Pancras and Midland Road, also some access to under croft of the CTRL area. The design and and construction has had the recommendations of the enquiry in the forefront, and with quite different pedestrian traffic flows and congestion when the all parts are operational, the prediction it will be about 70% full at the busiest time. with a 20% growth on current usage of CTRL figures out of Waterloo, and the transfer of traffic from Thameslink and FCC services up the WCML and Hertford loop. Extensive modelling has been carried out and continues on pedestrian traffic flows. |
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Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (J. Chisholm) wrote: Colin Rosenstiel wrote: In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: "Colin Rosenstiel" wrote in message ... And then there is the reworking of King's Cross mainline to come, especially sweeping away the "temporary" concourse. Are they going to achieve the miracle of Liverpool Street of converting a station with all-over step free access to one full of stairs and escalators too? Anyone seen any consultations on plans? From what I've gleaned elsewhere, acess from the new northern ticket hall will be via a footbridge across the middle of the platforms, but the south end access will also be retained. There's a summary sheet here Colin: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/documen...ossLeaflet.pdf No mention of cycles. I've sent them feedback via their web form (no address on the leaflet). Searching the web site doesn't even find that leaflet! You can find LOTs of useful information on the Camden Council website at: http://www.camden.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/environment/ planning-and-built-environment/major-developments/king-s-cross/ Some Councils seem to get lots of useful info on their websites, unlike some I could name. Perhaps their Councillors spend too much time away from their elected domain (;-) Ho. ho. My constituents take bikes on trains to London too! How the hell is one supposed to find the impact on cycle access to and from the station from this mass of documents? It hardly helps for starters that the drawing PDFs won't open on this PC. The concerns of cyclists was aired by the representatives about secure cycle parking in the KX-StP area under KXRL redevelopment and KX redesign. I think there will be cycle access to the Thameslink from Midland Road only, the rest is on a park and ride basis. |
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On Mar 8, 8:48 am, chr1s wrote:
The arrangement for Thameslink and LUL at the Pentonville site will be the same, certainly one exit isolated from the main complex direct to Pentonville Road, with maybe an alternate to St Mungos passage area onto greys Inn Road. So you're saying the emergency route from the Victoria and Piccadilly lines to the Pentonville site will be preserved? Another question about this is that it is isolated from the main complex. and to comply with the KX enquiry recommendations about the relief passage from the main complex in use now being blocked and locked, I was given to understand that it is isolated and will be locked from the main complex when all is completed, What's the relief passage you're referring to here? The only physical link I'm aware of between the KXSP complex and the Pentonville site is the route from the Victoria and Piccadilly lines - and the KX enquiry recommended this should be open at all time (and certainly not blocked and locked). Is there a second route between Thameslink and KX...? and that from any spot in the main complex there will be at least two independent routes out of the station to the streets ....so the Vic and Pic passage *will* remain open? The design and and construction has had the recommendations of the enquiry in the forefront, and with quite different pedestrian traffic flows and congestion when the all parts are operational, the prediction it will be about 70% full at the busiest time. with a 20% growth on current usage of CTRL figures out of Waterloo, and the transfer of traffic from Thameslink and FCC services up the WCML and Hertford loop. I hope you mean "ECML" here. But I'm now even more confused: the plan for TL2K+n is: * FCC ECML long-distance services will move from KX Suburban to SPTL * Hertford loop services and other FCC locals will continue to terminate at Moorgate on weekdays (I'm not sure a decision has been made on whether to keep them in KX Suburban at weekends or to run them full-time to Moorgate) * FCC MML services will carry on pretty much as now (but longer, and from SPTL instead of KXTL) Presumably this has been the basis for the pedestrian modelling...? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Tom Anderson) wrote: On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Paul Corfield wrote: On 6 Mar 2007 05:21:12 -0800, "Andrea" wrote: The current long route from the underground to platform level at St Pancras station is a joke! You have undoubtedly noticed that St Pancras has been totally reconstructed to accommodate Eurostar, provide a new Midland Mainline station and also a new Thameslink station. Ahem. A *box* for a new Thameslink station. which is currently being fitted out, though? True. Somehow, it had escaped my notice that things were actually going ahead there now. Sorry! tom -- agriculture, animal husbandry, and plains-like landscape |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message .li... You have undoubtedly noticed that St Pancras has been totally reconstructed to accommodate Eurostar, provide a new Midland Mainline station and also a new Thameslink station. Ahem. A *box* for a new Thameslink station. which is currently being fitted out, though? True. Somehow, it had escaped my notice that things were actually going ahead there now. Sorry! It always surprises me how they seem to be working in near darkness whenever I've passed through, has anyone else noticed this? Paul S |
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On Mar 8, 11:33 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote: It always surprises me how they seem to be working in near darkness whenever I've passed through, has anyone else noticed this? I thought there was a shield up between the building site and the tracks (presumably at platform edge)...? -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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