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Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? B2003 |
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On Mar 19, 9:37 am, "Boltar" wrote:
Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? B2003 getting them through most bridges would be a major headache surely? Fod |
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On 19 Mar, 09:37, "Boltar" wrote:
Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. I doubt any insurance company would wish to insure a passenger carrying version. George |
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On 19 Mar, 09:37, "Boltar" wrote:
Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? B2003 D/D tend to be used in cities therefore overhead clearance is a factor which usually limit the height. where capacity is needed and there is no constraint of height vehicles tend to become longer. See the articulated busses used in Iraq and in the EU Dutch inter city coaches are getting longer. |
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On Mar 19, 9:51 am, "furnessvale" wrote:
Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. I doubt any insurance company would wish to insure a passenger carrying version. George Good point , hadn't thought of that. B2003 |
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NM wrote:
D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. |
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Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. |
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On 19 Mar, 11:03, (Stephen Firth) wrote:
NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Always someone is a nit picker, Check with Stagecoach, they did not specifically specify D/D for rural routes they are busses they inhereted and are using up the equity the accountants deem they still retain. We have a similat thing in West Cornwall with Ex city D/Deckers running down country lanes colliding with the trees. |
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On Mar 19, 1:23 pm, "NM" wrote:
On 19 Mar, 11:03, (Stephen Firth) wrote: Unfortunately this is not true. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Always someone is a nit picker, Check with Stagecoach, they did not specifically specify D/D for rural routes they are busses they inhereted and are using up the equity the accountants deem they still retain. I believe Stagecoach bought D/Ds for rural routes around Cambridge |
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"John B" wrote in message ... Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. Er yes they do, I was on one this morning between Bishops Waltham and Swanmore. Stagecoach 69... Paul |
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NM wrote:
Check with Stagecoach, they did not specifically specify D/D for rural routes they are busses they inhereted and are using up the equity the accountants deem they still retain. I suspect this to be a convenient fiction. Stagecoach have new DD buses running on some rural routes and they are a PITA. |
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John B wrote:
Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. No it's not, it's true. But I'm glad to see you're still a lying ****wit. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. In Hampshire in particular. The majority of Stagecoach buses dumped on the wasteground on industrial estates in Petersfield and on lay bys along the A31 because Stagecoach are too ****ing mean to pay for a garage are all double deckers. The residents of all of the villages between Petersfield and Winchester on the serpentine route traced by the virtualy unused 67 bus service are used to being barged out of the way by "I don't give a ****: drivers of DD buses. Now **** off back in the killfile you retard. |
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(Stephen Firth) wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. And for busier urban routes. In Cambridge, first Park and Ride and then the Citi 1 had single deckers replaced by double deckers for capacity reasons. Capacity issues tend to be why rural routes use double deckers. At peak times a single decker isn't enough. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 19 Mar, 09:37, "Boltar" wrote:
Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? B2003 Height, width, weight and pasenger evacuation. It is perfectly possible to build a gigantic coach, but to be a stable triple-decker it would need to be a lot wider than usual (too wide for UK roads as well as too high). It might also be likely to exceed the max. permissable weight for UK roads. Jon G |
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Boltar says... Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? Maximum height of a vehicle in the UK is 15ft 9in. Above that it's an abnormal load. Take off the height of two adults standing up and that leaves you under 4ft to create a third deck, have the wheels/chassis/drivetrain etc. -- Conor Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak......... |
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furnessvale says... On 19 Mar, 09:37, "Boltar" wrote: Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. You mean double deck... And actually they aren't. I can't recall ever seeing one on its side. I also drove the very first reefer ones that came to the UK and they were no worse in high winds than a normal trailer. -- Conor Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak......... |
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Boltar says... On Mar 19, 9:51 am, "furnessvale" wrote: Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. I doubt any insurance company would wish to insure a passenger carrying version. George Good point , hadn't thought of that. Shame it's wrong. Having actually driven a 15ft 9in high trailer quite a lot, it is no worse than a normal height one. -- Conor Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak......... |
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In article , Stephen Firth
says... NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. EYMS also use double deckers up here too. -- Conor Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak......... |
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On Mar 19, 4:55 pm, Conor wrote:
In article . com, Boltar says... On Mar 19, 9:51 am, "furnessvale" wrote: Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. I doubt any insurance company would wish to insure a passenger carrying version. George Good point , hadn't thought of that. Shame it's wrong. Having actually driven a 15ft 9in high trailer quite a lot, it is no worse than a normal height one. What sort of things are trailers that high used for? B2003 |
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On 19 Mar, 16:55, Conor wrote:
In article om, furnessvale says... On 19 Mar, 09:37, "Boltar" wrote: Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. * You mean double deck... I mean triple deck. The Wilson Tridecker for one, unless the authorities have seen sense and banned them. The third deck is obtained by underslinging like a low loader. Thus the lowest floor nearly touches the road, the roof is 15' 9" above ground and a side wind has nowhere to escape. And actually they aren't. I can't recall ever seeing one on its side. I also drove the very first reefer ones that came to the UK and they were no worse in high winds than a normal trailer. Quite a number of tri-deckers have gone over. One I particularly remember went over on the M6 a good few years ago wiping out a family of eleven in one hit. George |
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On 19 Mar, 16:54, Conor wrote:
Maximum height of a vehicle in the UK is 15ft 9in. Above that it's an abnormal load. Take off the height of two adults standing up and that leaves you under 4ft to create a third deck, have the wheels/chassis/drivetrain etc. Practically a height of about 15' 9" is correct although there is no "legal" height limit in the UK. Theoretically you could try the old lowbridge double deck bus idea of a side corridor generating height under the seats of the upper deck. Put one corridor on one side and the second on the other, then try to load/unload in the rush hour and stay popular! George |
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Boltar ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying : Shame it's wrong. Having actually driven a 15ft 9in high trailer quite a lot, it is no worse than a normal height one. What sort of things are trailers that high used for? Double decker pallets/cages. |
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On Mar 19, 1:13 pm, John B wrote:
Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. IIRC Stagecoach (and other operators) were given huge subsidies to update their fleet within London. The buses that were replaced were then moved all over the country to replace the ageing stock left over from Stagecoach's various acquisitions. They even shipped some of them out of the country to bolster the fleets of some of their other operations. Hence the ex-London double-deckers cropping up all over the country. -- Andy |
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Paul Scott wrote:
"John B" wrote in message ... Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. Er yes they do, I was on one this morning between Bishops Waltham and Swanmore. Stagecoach 69... Paul Thus proving that an "expert" knows more and more about less and less. -- Moving things in still pictures! |
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John B wrote:
Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. What tosh. Stop making things up, it does your position no good whatsoever. -- Moving things in still pictures! |
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ŽiŠardo wrote:
John B wrote: [snip] Not in Hampshire. What tosh. Stop making things up, He can't help it, he's been telling porkies for so long that it has become a habit. |
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Boltar wrote:
Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? I _think_ I've seen photos of a tour bus used for exotic holidays in China or Central Asia which had minimalist sleeping quarters onboard, arranged in such as way as to sort-of have three decks. It also pulled a trailer, IIRC. Now quite the same thing, but there are trains on the Continent with seats on three levels (downstairs, upstairs, and a middle level at the ends over the wheels), and I suppose a bus could be arranged in a similar manner if someone thought of a reason to bother. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:50:33 +0000, Arthur Figgis
wrote: Boltar wrote: Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? I _think_ I've seen photos of a tour bus used for exotic holidays in China or Central Asia which had minimalist sleeping quarters onboard, arranged in such as way as to sort-of have three decks. It also pulled a trailer, IIRC. Das Rollende Hotel : http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/image/71691822 DG |
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"Conor" wrote in message .. . In article . com, Boltar says... On Mar 19, 9:51 am, "furnessvale" wrote: Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. I doubt any insurance company would wish to insure a passenger carrying version. George Good point , hadn't thought of that. Shame it's wrong. Having actually driven a 15ft 9in high trailer quite a lot, it is no worse than a normal height one. Maybe, but a DD bus in high sidewinds, at motorway speed, is hairy. Short(ish) wheelbase compared with a truck.... 33ft long bus, front axle centred around 5 ft from front, rear axle around 6 ft from rear, gives a 22 ft wheelbase on two axles. Twitchy. An artic rig will have a) more axles (so rather more weight low down) and b) they will be distributed over a greater length of the vehicle (which must contribute to directional stability) and c) the load distribution of a truck is different. In a bus, half loaded, then that half load will usually go and sit upstairs.... leaving the bottom deck empty save for a few grannies.... |
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"Andy Lord" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 19, 1:13 pm, John B wrote: Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. IIRC Stagecoach (and other operators) were given huge subsidies to update their fleet within London. The buses that were replaced were then moved all over the country to replace the ageing stock left over from Stagecoach's various acquisitions. Almost right, so far. London, I beleive, set a maximum age for the buses (Routenmasters excepted) , so the contractors had to supply newish buses for London, As you say, they then cascaded the older buses down to places like Hampshirte, who then cascaded their buses down to places like Cornwall... They even shipped some of them out of the country to bolster the fleets of some of their other operations. Not totally: the 6-wheel Megabuses operated by stagecoach originated in Hong Kong, where a similar "maximum age" restriction was written into the contracts. At Ł2000 each for shipping these from Hong Kong, plus the cost of fitting heaters and demisters, these were cheap buses for stagecoach's use in UK. (they complied otherwise with UK PCV construction regs). Hence the ex-London double-deckers cropping up all over the country. There is quite a movement of vehicles within the larger groups, from one part of the country to another.... nothing new there, NBC were doing it in the 1970s, swapping ECOC FLFs with Scottish bus group VRs. -- IanH |
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"ŽiŠardo" wrote in message .uk... Paul Scott wrote: "John B" wrote in message ... Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. Er yes they do, I was on one this morning between Bishops Waltham and Swanmore. Stagecoach 69... Paul Thus proving that an "expert" knows more and more about less and less. Quite possibly a DD would be programmed in to cater for the Swanmore school pond-life. Obviously, that bus would then work back towards Winchester later in the morning, very lightly loaded (unless all the grannies came out with their free passes....) |
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Derek Geldard wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:50:33 +0000, Arthur Figgis wrote: Boltar wrote: Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? I _think_ I've seen photos of a tour bus used for exotic holidays in China or Central Asia which had minimalist sleeping quarters onboard, arranged in such as way as to sort-of have three decks. It also pulled a trailer, IIRC. Das Rollende Hotel : http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/image/71691822 Looks like it goes to Greenwich: http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/image/71691825 -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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Derek Geldard wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:50:33 +0000, Arthur Figgis wrote: Boltar wrote: Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? I _think_ I've seen photos of a tour bus used for exotic holidays in China or Central Asia which had minimalist sleeping quarters onboard, arranged in such as way as to sort-of have three decks. It also pulled a trailer, IIRC. Das Rollende Hotel : http://www.pbase.com/bmcmorrow/image/71691822 Years ago I did a tour of the Sahara, and we encountered one of these buses. We were touring in a series of Citroen CXs with some Peugeot 305s and a couple of Land Rovers. One of the guides said that two years before - that would be around 1976 I think - he had found one of these buses with everyone aboard dead. They had gone to sleep in the "coffins" provided and had (presumably) slept late into the day. The heat of the sun had baked them in the beds. I have no idea why they did not wake, although the contrast between the freezing temperatures of night and the heat of the day may have been a factor. |
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"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message
... Now quite the same thing, but there are trains on the Continent with seats on three levels (downstairs, upstairs, and a middle level at the ends over the wheels), and I suppose a bus could be arranged in a similar manner if someone thought of a reason to bother. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK Arthur The trains you are thinking of are common in Europe, USA, Canada, China (I think), at least. They are, however, only double deckers in practice. The middle levels are only over the wheels and are usually used for entrance/exit and standing customers only (there may be tip up emergency seats in some instances), there is still only room for two sets of seated passengers even within other countries extended loading gauges. Closest to triple decker might be some of the older dome observation coaches in the USA & Canada - ISTR that some had short domes with passenger seating on the normal level and in the dome with a buffet & crew quarters at low level under the dome. The full length domes used on the trans-continental Canadian have the buffet & a gift shop plus crew quarters under the dome, but do not, IIRC, have anything on the middle level apart from the corridor connection and doors. Peter -- Peter & Elizabeth Corser Leighton Buzzard, UK ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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In message , John B
writes Stephen Firth wrote: NM wrote: D/D tend to be used in cities Unfortunately this is not true. Wrong. Stagecoach tend to use DD buses for rural routes. Not in Hampshire. National Express use (or did) them Glasgow to London overnight, I was on one about 3 years ago. -- Clive. |
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In message , Stephen Firth
writes One of the guides said that two years before - that would be around 1976 I think - he had found one of these buses with everyone aboard dead. They had gone to sleep in the "coffins" provided and had (presumably) slept late into the day. The heat of the sun had baked them in the beds. I have no idea why they did not wake, although the contrast between the freezing temperatures of night and the heat of the day may have been a factor. Ready cooked from the freezer? ;-) -- Clive. |
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On Mar 20, 12:40 am, "Peter Corser"
wrote: The trains you are thinking of are common in Europe, USA, Canada, China (I think), at least. They are, however, only double deckers in practice. The middle levels are only over the wheels and are usually used for entrance/exit and standing customers only (there may be tip up emergency seats in some instances), there is still only room for two sets of seated passengers even within other countries extended loading gauges. Normally in Europe I think the doors are on the lower level - the space above the wheels is seating and a sort of landing halfway up the stairs. |
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In article , ian henden
says... Shame it's wrong. Having actually driven a 15ft 9in high trailer quite a lot, it is no worse than a normal height one. Maybe, but a DD bus in high sidewinds, at motorway speed, is hairy. Only to those with no experience of driving them. An artic rig will have a) more axles (so rather more weight low down) and b) they will be distributed over a greater length of the vehicle (which must contribute to directional stability) and c) the load distribution of a truck is different. In a bus, half loaded, then that half load will usually go and sit upstairs.... leaving the bottom deck empty save for a few grannies.... And a bus has ballast weights..... -- Conor Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak......... |
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In article .com,
furnessvale says... On 19 Mar, 16:55, Conor wrote: In article om, furnessvale says... On 19 Mar, 09:37, "Boltar" wrote: Outside of a Harry Potter film , have triple deckers ever been used in the UK (or anywhere else for that matter)? Is there any technical reason other than height why they couldn't be used - centre of gravity or passenger evacuation for example? Triple deck road trailers are a major hazard on our roads in windy weather. ? You mean double deck... I mean triple deck. The Wilson Tridecker for one, unless the authorities have seen sense and banned them. The third deck is obtained by underslinging like a low loader. Thus the lowest floor nearly touches the road, the roof is 15' 9" above ground and a side wind has nowhere to escape. THe double deck fridge trailers are a stepframe too. And actually they aren't. I can't recall ever seeing one on its side. I also drove the very first reefer ones that came to the UK and they were no worse in high winds than a normal trailer. Quite a number of tri-deckers have gone over. One I particularly remember went over on the M6 a good few years ago wiping out a family of eleven in one hit. Can't see what the difference is unless they've improved the design. Does help if you load it accordingly though. -- Conor Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak......... |
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