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"john" wrote in message ... I know it's a bit off topic, but do any other cities (other than London) in the UK have a subway system? Glasgow does, and Newcastle has a light-rail system called the "Metro", part of which is underground. |
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ah, thanks for the info.
ok, now for a dumb question... What about the word tube for the London trains? I take it this refers to the tubular shape of most of the lines/trains? "Martin Underwood" wrote in message s.com... "M J Forbes" wrote in message ... "john" wrote in message ... I know it's a bit off topic, but do any other cities (other than London) in the UK have a subway system? Glasgow does, and Newcastle has a light-rail system called the "Metro", part of which is underground. Also, here in the UK we tend to use the word "subway" to describe a pedestrian underpass beneath a road, rather than an underground railway system. Are any of the lines in central Liverpool classed as being an underground system, or are they all just part of the National Rail system which happens to go below ground? |
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"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
s.com... Also, here in the UK we tend to use the word "subway" to describe a pedestrian underpass beneath a road, rather than an underground railway system. No: in Glasgow the underground railway is referred to by most people as "The Subway". In London "subway" can only mean a pedestrian underpass. There are similar differences in terminology between different US cities. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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John Rowland writes
Also, here in the UK we tend to use the word "subway" to describe a pedestrian underpass beneath a road, rather than an underground railway system. No: in Glasgow the underground railway is referred to by most people as "The Subway". In London "subway" can only mean a pedestrian underpass. Er, he did say 'tend to use' - not 'exclusively use'. In Glasgow, the system's official name has only recently reverted to being the 'Subway' after more than 20 years of officially being the 'Underground' -- Dave |
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In article , John Rowland
writes No: in Glasgow the underground railway is referred to by most people as "The Subway" I disagree, they call it the 'Clockwork Orange.' -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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Martin Underwood wrote:
Are any of the lines in central Liverpool classed as being an underground system, or are they all just part of the National Rail system which happens to go below ground? There are signs saying "to the Underground" at Liverpool Lime Street Station, if that helps. -- John Ray, London UK. Mail to mefp49 is unlikely to be read. I can be contacted at xcf70 (same ISP). |
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Andrew P Smith writes
No: in Glasgow the underground railway is referred to by most people as "The Subway" I disagree, they call it the 'Clockwork Orange.' Only meeja types do. I've *never* heard a local call it that. -- Dave |
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 10:18:38 GMT, "Martin Underwood"
wrote: Are any of the lines in central Liverpool classed as being an underground system, or are they all just part of the National Rail system which happens to go below ground? It's a bit of a grey area, really - AFAIAC, as a self-contained system, it's an underground (if a small one) - I'd say it was more an accident of timing that it ended up remaining part of the national rail system, as IMO if it had been built in the last 10 years it'd have been a PTE job like Metrolink or the Newcastle Metro. Neil |
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Martin Underwood:
Also, here in the UK we tend to use the word "subway" to describe a pedestrian underpass beneath a road, rather than an underground railway system. John Rowland: No: in Glasgow the underground railway is referred to by most people as "The Subway". In London "subway" can only mean a pedestrian underpass. Dave writes: In Glasgow, the system's official name has only recently reverted to being the 'Subway' after more than 20 years of officially being the 'Underground' But it was officially the Subway for more than 70 years before that. As well as pedestrian tunnels, the word "subway" in Britain also seems to be associated with underground railways using cable haulage. The first of these was in London, a very short line operated by a single car for just a few months before it failed, and it was called the Tower Subway. Later a longer underground cable railway was planned for London, and it was going to be called the City of London and Southwark Subway. The management changed their minds while it was under construction, substituting electric locomotives, and then changed the name to the City and South London Railway. (For more on both lines, see the Northern Line page of CULG http://www.davros.org/rail/culg.) And the Glasgow Subway used cable-hauled trains from 1896 until 1935. -- Mark Brader | Yet again, I begged him to explain himself in plain Toronto | English. This request always surprises him, as he | is always under the extraordinary impression that | he has done so. -- Lynn & Jay, "Yes Minister" My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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ok, now for a dumb question... What about the word tube for
the London trains? I take it this refers to the tubular shape of most of the lines/trains? Correct, Specifically, it's the shape of the tunnels. and originally applied to the deep level railways, i.e excluding the District and the Met, the latter operates the Hammersmith and City, the Circle and the East London Lines. Right. The deep-level lines -- which were owned by separate companies in those days -- might have been at a disadvantage because you had to wait for a lift (elevator) just to get to the platforms. (Escalators came later.) But they also had the advantage that their trains were electric, so the stations weren't full of steam and smoke. So they marketed themselves as being a New And Improved kind of underground railway, and the word "tube" was featured in this marketing. In due course the older lines electrified and got rid of their steam locomotives, at least on the underground parts, and competition between lines became irrelevant as they fell under common ownership. By then the short word "tube" had become established in popular usage, and as the practical distinctions faded, it spread to the other lines as well. -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "You keep using that word. I do not think it means | what you think it means." -- The Princess Bride My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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In article , Mark Brader
writes Right. The deep-level lines [...] marketed themselves as being a New And Improved kind of underground railway, and the word "tube" was featured in this marketing. In due course the older lines electrified and got rid of their steam locomotives, This implies that it was after the tubes were built. In fact, the key parts of electrification of the subsurface lines were done in 1905-6. At this point the Central, part of the Northern, and the Waterloo & City were open and the Bakerloo was about to open. The Piccadilly and the Charing Cross branch of the Northern were still under construction. -- Clive D.W. Feather, writing for himself | Home: Tel: +44 20 8371 1138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Written on my laptop; please observe the Reply-To address |
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Mark Brader:
The deep-level lines ... marketed themselves as being a New And Improved kind of underground railway ... In due course the older lines electrified and got rid of their steam locomotives, Clive Feather: This implies that it was after the tubes were built. It was done after enough of them were built for it to be clear what people preferred. In fact, the key parts of electrification of the subsurface lines were done in 1905-6. At this point the Central, part of the Northern, and the Waterloo & City were open And most recently, the line from Moorgate to Finsbury Park that is no longer part of the Underground. and the Bakerloo was about to open. The Piccadilly and the Charing Cross branch of the Northern were still under construction. Yes, exactly. -- Mark Brader "Doing the wrong thing is worse than doing nothing." Toronto "Doing *anything* is worse than doing nothing!" -- Lynn & Jay: YES, PRIME MINISTER My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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