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Peter Masson wrote:
The Waterloo & City crosses under the District and Circle just west of Blackfriars. Bank is if anything closer to Cannon Street than it is to Monument. Why, then, was the escalator link built between Bank and Monument rather than between Bank and Cannon Street? -- David of Broadway New York, NY, USA |
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In message , at 21:02:12 on Sun,
6 May 2007, Olof Lagerkvist remarked: * Canary Wharf Jubilee Line station is actually located east of the DLR bridge between Canary Wharf and Heron Quays. The DLR also does two right-angle bends either side of Heron Quays. But as has been said, how much is the map trying to plot the exact course of each line, as well as the position of the stations? the two parts of the Charing Cross station, Bakerloo and Northern, are located longer from each other than Charing Cross and Embankment platforms on the Northern Line. Maybe you could let the Northern Line cross over the Bakerloo south of Waterloo or something so that you can draw the Northern Line's Embankment and Charing Cross stations closer. The Charing Cross Bakerloo line "station" is the former Trafalgar Square station, and is noticeably west of the northern line part of the station. * There is cross-plaform interchange between the Northern Line branches at Kennington. I think the City branch of the Northern Line goes west of Mornington Crescent. And if the Northern and Victoria have a cross-platform change at Euston (I forget if it's true) then they shouldn't really be shown crossing at right angles! -- Roland Perry |
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"David of Broadway" wrote in message ... Peter Masson wrote: The Waterloo & City crosses under the District and Circle just west of Blackfriars. Bank is if anything closer to Cannon Street than it is to Monument. Why, then, was the escalator link built between Bank and Monument rather than between Bank and Cannon Street? The location of a tube station can be taken as the location of its street entrance, and on that basis Bank is slightly nearer to Cannon Street than it is to Monument. However, the Northern Line platforms of Bank station lie under King William Street, and at their southern end are quite close to Monument station. Using the 'escalator connection' from the Waterloo & City or Central Line to the District and Circle at Monument involved two or three escalators, plus a walk the length of the Northern line platform. Peter |
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"Roland Perry" wrote I think the City branch of the Northern Line goes west of Mornington Crescent. And if the Northern and Victoria have a cross-platform change at Euston (I forget if it's true) then they shouldn't really be shown crossing at right angles! Victoria Line and City branch of the Northern Line do have cross-platform interchange at Euston. As you would expect, the cross-platform interchange is between the northbound Victoria and northbound Northern Lines, and again between southbound Victoria and southbound Northern Lines, though curiously Victoria and Northern trains run in opposite directions through the station. If you want to travel from Euston to Kings Cross (allowing for the walks to and from the surface it's probably quicker to walk on the surface then whole way) you take either a northbound Victoria Line, or a southbound Northern Line, train. Peter |
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On May 7, 8:59 am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"David of Broadway" wrote in ... Peter Masson wrote: The Waterloo & City crosses under the District and Circle just west of Blackfriars. Bank is if anything closer to Cannon Street than it is to Monument. Why, then, was the escalator link built between Bank and Monument rather than between Bank and Cannon Street? The location of a tube station can be taken as the location of its street entrance, and on that basis Bank is slightly nearer to Cannon Street than it is to Monument. However, the Northern Line platforms of Bank station lie under King William Street, and at their southern end are quite close to Monument station. Using the 'escalator connection' from the Waterloo & City or Central Line to the District and Circle at Monument involved two or three escalators, plus a walk the length of the Northern line platform. Yes, if I arrived on the Central or Waterloo and City wanting the District, I'd walk over the ground to Cannon Street, but if I arrived on the Northern I'd use the "escalator link" to Monument. But the signage at Bank is a bit bizarre. If you follow signs from the Central to the District, I think it's even worse than the long route along the Northern Line platforms. It takes you up a flight of steps over the Central platforms, then down two long escalators to below the Northern to the DLR level, and then finally up again at Monument through new passageways. Even if it is important to separate flows so that not everyone heads for the spiral staircase and the Northern platforms, it would still be easier to send people via the street. But the rule seems to be "if it's defined as an interchange, make people use it regardless of difficulty, and if it's not defined as an interchange, never tell people about it, however convenient". |
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On May 7, 12:25 am, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:
wrote: On 6 Mai, 23:01, Olof Lagerkvist wrote: There used to be (a huge) close to geographically correct map called Multi-Modal Map or something like that on the TfL website but I cannot find it there anymore. Here's a copy, though 'cache' could mean it won't stay long: http://cache.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/download...ap/Multi-Modal... That is the one. Thanks very much! But this definitely makes no attempt to show the geographical routes of the lines, merely the locations of the stations. This is what it ought to do in terms of helping the passengers, but for those of us obsessed with routes of lines, as I said somewhere, it is worse than a diagram because of the implied geographical accuracy. Actually, not even the locations of the stations. I focus immediately on Trafalgar Square, where there is no indication of a Bakerloo entrance, let alone station. |
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"MIG" wrote But the rule seems to be "if it's defined as an interchange, make people use it regardless of difficulty, More or less forced by Oyster technology - if you go out of the station you'll be charged for a new journey when you go back into the system. How do things work at Hammersmith when changing between the H&C and other lines? Peter |
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On May 7, 9:39 am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"MIG" wrote But the rule seems to be "if it's defined as an interchange, make people use it regardless of difficulty, More or less forced by Oyster technology - if you go out of the station you'll be charged for a new journey when you go back into the system. How do things work at Hammersmith when changing between the H&C and other lines? Some pairs of stations allow "continuation", eg Heron Quays/Canary Wharf and Bow Church/Bow Road, and (presumably) Hammersmith. They could program that possibility into Bank/Cannon Street (the walk can't be any longer) rather than send people from the Waterloo and City by such a long and difficult route. |
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On May 7, 9:07 am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote I think the City branch of the Northern Line goes west of Mornington Crescent. And if the Northern and Victoria have a cross-platform change at Euston (I forget if it's true) then they shouldn't really be shown crossing at right angles! Victoria Line and City branch of the Northern Line do have cross-platform interchange at Euston. As you would expect, the cross-platform interchange is between the northbound Victoria and northbound Northern Lines, and again between southbound Victoria and southbound Northern Lines, though curiously Victoria and Northern trains run in opposite directions through the station. If you want to travel from Euston to Kings Cross (allowing for the walks to and from the surface it's probably quicker to walk on the surface then whole way) you take either a northbound Victoria Line, or a southbound Northern Line, train. They probably did it that one on the assumption that someone was more likely to want to change northbound - northbound (eg Green Park to Tufnell Park) or southbound - southbound (eg Highbury to Angel [dubious]). But the side effect is that Euston to Kings Cross requires you to take a bet on which line to go for, rather than having one cross-platform interchange where you could catch either. However, you don't have to go all the way up the escalator and down again if you find a delay on your first choice line. There's a staircase and bridge at the western end of the platforms (which also leads to the emergency spiral staircase). The layout of the interchange is presumably the reason why the Victoria Line runs "wrong way" from Warren Street to Kings Cross (inclusive). |
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